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Pokenonbinary wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:54 am
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Tue Dec 05, 2023 12:34 pm Julia Michaels Wrote the Theme Song for โ€˜Wishโ€™ Before the Script Even Existed
https://variety.com/2023/artisans/award ... 235820323/
They do this with all the movies, including the "good ones"

Honestly Disney Animation needs to change, they should make good scripts first instead of doing a story while making the movie
I guess the difference here is that in the past, they would have cut this song after realizing it doesn't work, and started over, but they didn't. Maybe because they wanted to make sure it was finished in time for the 100th year celebration thing.
But it looks like the movie bombed (criticallly and financially), just like I knew it would. They need new manangment.
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Woodrow Pride wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:30 am Valentino had no reason to exist except for horrible jokes and unneeded comments. I wasnโ€™t sure if he was actually mentally insane or just decided to hide his sanity.
I mean, he is a newborn baby!!
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Your point?
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Woodrow Pride wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:30 am The story was so simple it was hardly a story.
So? Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty also had simple stories.
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Andreas Deja wrote:I havenโ€™t seen โ€˜Wishโ€™ yet, but from the trailer I can tell that there was an aim at a stylistic change as far as the [watercolor] backgrounds. I do applaud any innovative look that gets away from hyper CG reality.
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I donโ€™t know if someone already posted this, but Disney released an music video for the end credits song A Wish Worth Making. It includes scenes from prior Disney movies, even Treasure Planet.

Also, hereโ€™s an opinion from someone who worked on the movie as an artist.
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:lol: :lol: :lol: They've come such a long way. I'm really proud of them, lol :lol: :lol:
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What a great comparison Farerb! :) Esmeralda and Asha are a few of Disneys characters who are more selfless, but while Asha wants generic justice and everyones Wish to come true with no personal struggle or attachment to her goal, Esmeralda wants justice for all who are treated unfairly based on how they look or as they are part of a minority group, as she knows how it feels. Esmeralda is also part of the group that is oppressed by Frollo and she still sees herself not as the victim as she sings that there are people "less lucky than I" like Quasi . It also makes sense how Esmeralda is so attached to him and how she doesnt judge him by his looks, as she KNOWS how it feels to be labled as an outcast alongside her community so theyre on the same boat. Thats why she hates Frollo, because he is a threat to her (community and friends) and all she loves and knows as he wants to get rid of them. Thats what makes him evil, not because he doesnt grant every Single Parisian citizen what they want. In GHTO Esmeraldas song is a cry for help, because she Literally points out whats so problematic to her, as her people and others like Quasi get treated with no mercy just because they are outcasts and it is in contrast to what other people sing about:
"I ask for wealth
I ask for fame
I ask for glory to shine on my name
I ask for love I can possess
I ask for God and his angels to bless me"
Ashas biggest problem is that she has no own drive and "this Wish" is just about that everyones dream should come true, but not WHY. Ashas song is so unpersonal that could have been song by every possible Disney Character ever, but not the other way around. And the songs like Kwikn anf this Wish sound like that the priority was to make it really catchy rather than telling story through song

I collected my thoughts on Wish and its like thousands of words long so i have to cut and structure it before i post it here lol. :P
* also glad to see you back here Woodrow!
๐–ฒ๐—ˆ๐—‡๐—€๐—Œ ๐—๐—๐–บ๐— ๐—Œ๐—…๐–บ๐—‰ ๐—‹๐—‚๐—€๐—๐— ๐—‡๐—ˆ๐—:
1. When did you get hot? :mickana: (Sabrina Carpenter)*new
2.House Tour (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹)*new
3. Tears (Sabri- Carpen-)*new
4. Sugar talking (...๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
6. ๐–ฉ๐—Ž๐—‡๐—ˆ (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ)
7. ๐–ง๐–บ๐—‹๐–ฝ ๐—๐—ˆ ๐—Œ๐–บ๐—’ ๐—‚๐—† ๐—Œ๐—ˆ๐—‹๐—‹๐—’ (๐–ข๐—๐—‚๐–ผ๐–บ๐—€๐—ˆ)
8. ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‚๐–ป๐–ป๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡ ๐–ฐ๐—Ž๐–พ๐–พ๐—‡! ( ๐–ก๐—‚๐—…๐—…๐—’ ๐–ฎ๐–ผ๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡)
9.๐–ณ๐—๐–พ ๐–ถ๐—‚๐—‡๐—‡๐–พ๐—‹ ๐—๐–บ๐—„๐–พ๐—Œ ๐—‚๐— ๐–บ๐—…๐—… (๐–ก๐– ๐–ก๐–ก๐– )
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Hardbackyoyo wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:15 pm
Woodrow Pride wrote: โ†‘Wed Dec 06, 2023 9:30 am The story was so simple it was hardly a story.
So? Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty also had simple stories.
Yes, but those stories also had consistent logic so they werenโ€™t convoluted the way Wish was. Itโ€™s okay to tell a simple story so long as itโ€™s told well.
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Crushing the circular. The circular, of course, are the balls of the wishes. Making the villain handsome, somehow connects to the idea that the movie's writers are intelligent enough to have represented the metaphorical intelligence, whereby the act of crushing the balls of one's wish is the act of crushing the willpower and the stamina of one's wish.

Why is this? Why does making the villain handsome do this? I'm personally bequeathed, presumably by mother nature, with the subconsciousness "intelligence" (of course, I hyphenate the word intelligence here, as I don't want to fail to notice the inherent perversity of good looks overriding all else) of good looks essentially being the endgame of all intelligent acts; as a sidenote, my internal intelligence/mind was kind of screwed with, where a pattern of perception of the theme was thus unable to be noticed, as I was writing the sentence out.

The presumed nature, is that within the collective consciousness, of all humanity, the ideology of visual proof - aka, visual beauty - has been implanted. Of course, it is bullcrap, but that's nature anyway.

Moreover, in viewing the film, I was happy, very happy to find Asha saying that people are the stars themselves. For years and years, I've been saying that on the internet.
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The Disneynerd wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:50 am What a great comparison Farerb! :) Esmeralda and Asha are a few of Disneys characters who are more selfless, but while Asha wants generic justice and everyones Wish to come true with no personal struggle or attachment to her goal, Esmeralda wants justice for all who are treated unfairly based on how they look or as they are part of a minority group, as she knows how it feels. Esmeralda is also part of the group that is oppressed by Frollo and she still sees herself not as the victim as she sings that there are people "less lucky than I" like Quasi . It also makes sense how Esmeralda is so attached to him and how she doesnt judge him by his looks, as she KNOWS how it feels to be labled as an outcast alongside her community so theyre on the same boat. Thats why she hates Frollo, because he is a threat to her (community and friends) and all she loves and knows as he wants to get rid of them. Thats what makes him evil, not because he doesnt grant every Single Parisian citizen what they want. In GHTO Esmeraldas song is a cry for help, because she Literally points out whats so problematic to her, as her people and others like Quasi get treated with no mercy just because they are outcasts and it is in contrast to what other people sing about:
"I ask for wealth
I ask for fame
I ask for glory to shine on my name
I ask for love I can possess
I ask for God and his angels to bless me"
Ashas biggest problem is that she has no own drive and "this Wish" is just about that everyones dream should come true, but not WHY. Ashas song is so unpersonal that could have been song by every possible Disney Character ever, but not the other way around. And the songs like Kwikn anf this Wish sound like that the priority was to make it really catchy rather than telling story through song

I collected my thoughts on Wish and its like thousands of words long so i have to cut and structure it before i post it here lol. :P
* also glad to see you back here Woodrow!
You know, that is essentially the biggest problem with Asha`s goal and journey in this movie. Asha`s motivation isn`t truly her own. She wants something for somebody else, but her plight and want isn`t essentially hers at all. And besides, unlike Esmeralda, Asha is essentially written to please all the naysayers who`s ranted about the flaws female characters usually possesses. In fact, I can hardly find a female character who`s more politically correct than Asha, as she`s more so than any of her heroine predecessors.
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megustajake wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 12:22 pm
Hardbackyoyo wrote: โ†‘Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:15 pm

So? Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty also had simple stories.
Yes, but those stories also had consistent logic so they werenโ€™t convoluted the way Wish was. Itโ€™s okay to tell a simple story so long as itโ€™s told well.
I second this.
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DisneyFan09 wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:17 pm
The Disneynerd wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 6:50 am What a great comparison Farerb! :) Esmeralda and Asha are a few of Disneys characters who are more selfless, but while Asha wants generic justice and everyones Wish to come true with no personal struggle or attachment to her goal, Esmeralda wants justice for all who are treated unfairly based on how they look or as they are part of a minority group, as she knows how it feels. Esmeralda is also part of the group that is oppressed by Frollo and she still sees herself not as the victim as she sings that there are people "less lucky than I" like Quasi . It also makes sense how Esmeralda is so attached to him and how she doesnt judge him by his looks, as she KNOWS how it feels to be labled as an outcast alongside her community so theyre on the same boat. Thats why she hates Frollo, because he is a threat to her (community and friends) and all she loves and knows as he wants to get rid of them. Thats what makes him evil, not because he doesnt grant every Single Parisian citizen what they want. In GHTO Esmeraldas song is a cry for help, because she Literally points out whats so problematic to her, as her people and others like Quasi get treated with no mercy just because they are outcasts and it is in contrast to what other people sing about:
"I ask for wealth
I ask for fame
I ask for glory to shine on my name
I ask for love I can possess
I ask for God and his angels to bless me"
Ashas biggest problem is that she has no own drive and "this Wish" is just about that everyones dream should come true, but not WHY. Ashas song is so unpersonal that could have been song by every possible Disney Character ever, but not the other way around. And the songs like Kwikn anf this Wish sound like that the priority was to make it really catchy rather than telling story through song

I collected my thoughts on Wish and its like thousands of words long so i have to cut and structure it before i post it here lol. :P
* also glad to see you back here Woodrow!
You know, that is essentially the biggest problem with Asha`s goal and journey in this movie. Asha`s motivation isn`t truly her own. She wants something for somebody else, but her plight and want isn`t essentially hers at all. And besides, unlike Esmeralda, Asha is essentially written to please all the naysayers who`s ranted about the flaws female characters usually possesses. In fact, I can hardly find a female character who`s more politically correct than Asha, as she`s more so than any of her heroine predecessors.
Well, considering That Asha is turned down as an apprentice, plus her experiencing other people getting turned down and her one on one direct personal experience with magnifico, and her relationship with her grandfather, plus what she wouldโ€™ve experienced living in the kingdom all of her life, and I also think per her character development and the very fact that she finds her footing in the movie, going from being annoying even almost unbearable to actually been quite charming, which subtly Is her learning to stand up for herself and that things do not need to be the way they are, it actually does make natural sense that she would have this wish for everyone.

I actually donโ€™t understand how anyone canโ€™t see this. I know that we are a very selfish and like Iโ€™ve said before screwed up species, but that is not me that thereโ€™s not people who can have this kind of heart and care. Ironically, thatโ€™s what we all want, so why is it so hard to believe it here?
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This movie is something I liked, but I may actually not really watch it much, if any more, at all, beyond showing it to friends. I don't know if that means it's really bad, or if it just means I prefer watching Cinderella movies, classic (Walt-Renaissance+Princess and the Frog, Tangled, and Frozen) Disney movies, and some horror movies. I do plan to buy it, though. Maybe because it's about the making of the world's first fairy godmother like tsom explained (thanks, man!).

I am responsing to the different things I found in this thread after finally reading through it all, so, here goes:

This movie does not have the same title as a Disney cruise ship. There is a ship called the "Disney Wish", not "Wish".

The music of Avenue Q was written by Robert Lopez and Jeff Marx, and the music for The Book of Mormon was written by Robert Lopez, Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

This movie does not have the actual Paperman type of animation. Paperman used some actual hand-drawn animation in it, and Wish does not.

Dahlia looked like a mix of Doc and Snow White herself to me. But you're right, D82, she also looks like the good fairies in their peasant forms! But Dahlia also bakes like Snow White.

This film doesn't have the painterly style of animation Glen Keane wanted for Rapunzel. For that, not only was the look of everything way more painterly, but it looked like Fragonard, not past Disney watercolor films. Also, Sleeping Beauty was not a watercolor film. It used a different type of paint.

When Magnifico goes to his laboratory, I was hoping we'd see him go down the stairs with his cape billowing like Queen Grimhilde in Snow White. I think UmbrellaFish wanted this as well?

I liked how Asha did her own animation as a Disney reference. And it was cute animation!

Jennifer Lee was bullcrapping about hand-drawn animation not working for this film. If they couldn't get "camera angles" and "characterization" they wanted for this film, they couldn't do it for any film, so saying they choose the right animation to fit the right story is bullcrap. Mooky was right, they can do great animated angles, and even greater characterization with hand-drawn. And if they used the true hand-drawn-involved Paperman style, it would be better than anything normal CGI could do, and be perfect for Wish.

Thank you Amy for the Star stardust pictures with Cinderella references, Amy! But I still don't think I will get that book.

The Disneynerd, it's an interesting theory you say Alan Menken wrote music that is lyric-driven, when he is the music writer, not the lyric writer. Did you mean you think he could write great music using whatever lyric-writing his partner would give him?
Mooky wrote: โ†‘Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:42 pm
ElMaximo13 wrote: โ†‘Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 amThis review confirms that the movie has a storybook opening
Why exactly? It's an original story with fairytale elements, not based on a pre-existing material.
Should have opened with a little cartoon of Jennifer Lee watching that DVD boxset of Disney classics and picking which ones to reference.
Haha! You're right! :rofl:

Carolinakid, "A Star is Not Born"? That's hilarious! Hahaha

Star in human form probably would have been a love interest for Asha because of the romantic duet with the words, "love you" that was in the original version of "At All Costs".

You were right, Brelly, that Amaya should have tried to help her husband reverse his evil more. Personally, I thought Magnifico not being redeemed was one of the problems of the movie. It was the magic that made him evil. Instead of that, he should have chosen to be evil. They shouldn't have made it that the dark magic turns someone dark. And if they did, like Brelly said, he should have been redeemed. And yet he was an asshole before he turned evil. Ugh, it was messy writing, like Brelly said!

Elladorine, interesting idea Magnifico and his people may have been a religious reference, but you said it's like people giving up a piece of their soul to eventually have a higher purpose, and people who don't believe in religion usually don't believe in souls either. I just don't think it was meant to be a religious reference. Also, I'm sorry, but Asha's silliness did almost go to adorkable level. Thank God it was just in the beginning! I liked what you said about Magnifico already being bad before the book. If only he still had a choice in being truly evil when using the book, rather than the book making him evil. Then the writing would work for me.
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:17 pmCalling Wish "original" is generous.
But is is truly original! I have seen no other movie like where a magic King makes a kingdom where he takes his people's wishes and grants some of them, and a girl discovers he won't grant important ones, and she also realizes people should get to have their dreams, even if they don't come true, so they shouldn't forget about them, so she makes a wish on a star and that star comes to life and helps her on a journey to fix that!
megustajake wrote: โ†‘Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:19 am
carolinakid wrote: โ†‘Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:14 amWDW Pro has an interesting you tube video about several animators coming forward to tell how Wish was taken over by activists who turned it from charming to propaganda.
What โ€œpropagandaโ€ is embedded in Wish? I think the movie is pretty safe overall, though I did like its implication weโ€™re all made of stardust.
Yes, what propaganda was there? By the way, it's actually true our bodies do come from star dust, from the stars that came forth and exploded after the big bang.
Mooky wrote: โ†‘Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:24 pmTo me, forgetting your wish upon giving it away is more of a plot hole. What reason would anyone have to look forward to the wish-granting ceremony if you didnโ€™t know what your wish was? The "winner" is not announced in advance so there's really nothing to get you hyped up, you'd just be standing in the crowd waiting for... what exactly? When you forget your wish, you basically lose an important part of yourself, your whole drive. The premise had a great potential, but the execution was half-baked. Iโ€™d have liked to see a version where giving away your wish is done in exchange for money or protection, and essentially turns you into a mindless drone over time. The tagline "Be careful what you wish for" would make sense in that context; within the existing one it doesn't.

I know they tried something like that with Simon, but he seemed to be the only kingdom resident affected. Iโ€™d have liked to see it on a larger scale, where Asha stumbles upon this whole conspiracy and tries to set the kingdom free. This is why Magnifico starting off as a full-on villain would have been better, imo. It would be similar to the deals merpeople made with Ursula โ€” aaand now I have a vision of people of Rosas oohing and aahing after they get their wishes back.
Brilliant! Maybe the movie should have been like how you said!

You know, everyone says Amaya just leaves her husband and doesn't care he's imprisoned in the end. I think she was already a bit intimidated by him from the beginning, so she maybe didn't have a happy marriage after all, but if she did, I think that she was hoping he would be redeemed after spending enough time in the dungeon, since the dark magic he used seemed to have stopped (other than the staff trapping him, but was that actually good magic? Hm...).
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ย :lol: ย :lol: ย :lol: They've come such a long way. I'm really proud of them, lol ย :lol: ย :lol:
Haha! Both of you are funny! XD
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Patricier21 wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 9:28 pm
DisneyFan09 wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 4:17 pm
You know, that is essentially the biggest problem with Asha`s goal and journey in this movie. Asha`s motivation isn`t truly her own. She wants something for somebody else, but her plight and want isn`t essentially hers at all. And besides, unlike Esmeralda, Asha is essentially written to please all the naysayers who`s ranted about the flaws female characters usually possesses. In fact, I can hardly find a female character who`s more politically correct than Asha, as she`s more so than any of her heroine predecessors.
Well, considering That Asha is turned down as an apprentice, plus her experiencing other people getting turned down and her one on one direct personal experience with magnifico, and her relationship with her grandfather, plus what she wouldโ€™ve experienced living in the kingdom all of her life, and I also think per her character development and the very fact that she finds her footing in the movie, going from being annoying even almost unbearable to actually been quite charming, which subtly Is her learning to stand up for herself and that things do not need to be the way they are, it actually does make natural sense that she would have this wish for everyone.

I actually donโ€™t understand how anyone canโ€™t see this. I know that we are a very selfish and like Iโ€™ve said before screwed up species, but that is not me that thereโ€™s not people who can have this kind of heart and care. Ironically, thatโ€™s what we all want, so why is it so hard to believe it here?
Sorry, it wasn`t my intention to trash Asha.
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Disney Duster wrote: โ†‘Mon Dec 11, 2023 5:15 pm This movie is something I liked, but I may actually not really watch it much, if any more, at all, beyond showing it to friends. I don't know if that means it's really bad, or if it just means I prefer watching Cinderella movies, classic (Walt-Renaissance+Princess and the Frog, Tangled, and Frozen) Disney movies, and some horror movies. I do plan to buy it, though. Maybe because it's about the making of the world's first fairy godmother like tsom explained (thanks, man!).

I am responsing to the different things I found in this thread after finally reading through it all, so, here goes:

This movie does not have the same title as a Disney cruise ship. There is a ship called the "Disney Wish", not "Wish".

The music of Avenue Q was written by Robert Lopez and Jeff Marx, and the music for The Book of Mormon was written by Robert Lopez, Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

This movie does not have the actual Paperman type of animation. Paperman used some actual hand-drawn animation in it, and Wish does not.

Dahlia looked like a mix of Doc and Snow White herself to me. But you're right, D82, she also looks like the good fairies in their peasant forms! But Dahlia also bakes like Snow White.

This film doesn't have the painterly style of animation Glen Keane wanted for Rapunzel. For that, not only was the look of everything way more painterly, but it looked like Fragonard, not past Disney watercolor films. Also, Sleeping Beauty was not a watercolor film. It used a different type of paint.

When Magnifico goes to his laboratory, I was hoping we'd see him go down the stairs with his cape billowing like Queen Grimhilde in Snow White. I think UmbrellaFish wanted this as well?

I liked how Asha did her own animation as a Disney reference. And it was cute animation!

Jennifer Lee was bullcrapping about hand-drawn animation not working for this film. If they couldn't get "camera angles" and "characterization" they wanted for this film, they couldn't do it for any film, so saying they choose the right animation to fit the right story is bullcrap. Mooky was right, they can do great animated angles, and even greater characterization with hand-drawn. And if they used the true hand-drawn-involved Paperman style, it would be better than anything normal CGI could do, and be perfect for Wish.

Thank you Amy for the Star stardust pictures with Cinderella references, Amy! But I still don't think I will get that book.

The Disneynerd, it's an interesting theory you say Alan Menken wrote music that is lyric-driven, when he is the music writer, not the lyric writer. Did you mean you think he could write great music using whatever lyric-writing his partner would give him?
Mooky wrote: โ†‘Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:42 pmWhy exactly? It's an original story with fairytale elements, not based on a pre-existing material.
Should have opened with a little cartoon of Jennifer Lee watching that DVD boxset of Disney classics and picking which ones to reference.
Haha! You're right! :rofl:

Carolinakid, "A Star is Not Born"? That's hilarious! Hahaha

Star in human form probably would have been a love interest for Asha because of the romantic duet with the words, "love you" that was in the original version of "At All Costs".

You were right, Brelly, that Amaya should have tried to help her husband reverse his evil more. Personally, I thought Magnifico not being redeemed was one of the problems of the movie. It was the magic that made him evil. Instead of that, he should have chosen to be evil. They shouldn't have made it that the dark magic turns someone dark. And if they did, like Brelly said, he should have been redeemed. And yet he was an asshole before he turned evil. Ugh, it was messy writing, like Brelly said!

Elladorine, interesting idea Magnifico and his people may have been a religious reference, but you said it's like people giving up a piece of their soul to eventually have a higher purpose, and people who don't believe in religion usually don't believe in souls either. I just don't think it was meant to be a religious reference. Also, I'm sorry, but Asha's silliness did almost go to adorkable level. Thank God it was just in the beginning! I liked what you said about Magnifico already being bad before the book. If only he still had a choice in being truly evil when using the book, rather than the book making him evil. Then the writing would work for me.
Farerb wrote: โ†‘Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:17 pmCalling Wish "original" is generous.
But is is truly original! I have seen no other movie like where a magic King makes a kingdom where he takes his people's wishes and grants some of them, and a girl discovers he won't grant important ones, and she also realizes people should get to have their dreams, even if they don't come true, so they shouldn't forget about them, so she makes a wish on a star and that star comes to life and helps her on a journey to fix that!
megustajake wrote: โ†‘Wed Nov 29, 2023 1:19 am What โ€œpropagandaโ€ is embedded in Wish? I think the movie is pretty safe overall, though I did like its implication weโ€™re all made of stardust.
Yes, what propaganda was there? By the way, it's actually true our bodies do come from star dust, from the stars that came forth and exploded after the big bang.
Mooky wrote: โ†‘Wed Nov 29, 2023 7:24 pmTo me, forgetting your wish upon giving it away is more of a plot hole. What reason would anyone have to look forward to the wish-granting ceremony if you didnโ€™t know what your wish was? The "winner" is not announced in advance so there's really nothing to get you hyped up, you'd just be standing in the crowd waiting for... what exactly? When you forget your wish, you basically lose an important part of yourself, your whole drive. The premise had a great potential, but the execution was half-baked. Iโ€™d have liked to see a version where giving away your wish is done in exchange for money or protection, and essentially turns you into a mindless drone over time. The tagline "Be careful what you wish for" would make sense in that context; within the existing one it doesn't.

I know they tried something like that with Simon, but he seemed to be the only kingdom resident affected. Iโ€™d have liked to see it on a larger scale, where Asha stumbles upon this whole conspiracy and tries to set the kingdom free. This is why Magnifico starting off as a full-on villain would have been better, imo. It would be similar to the deals merpeople made with Ursula โ€” aaand now I have a vision of people of Rosas oohing and aahing after they get their wishes back.
Brilliant! Maybe the movie should have been like how you said!

You know, everyone says Amaya just leaves her husband and doesn't care he's imprisoned in the end. I think she was already a bit intimidated by him from the beginning, so she maybe didn't have a happy marriage after all, but if she did, I think that she was hoping he would be redeemed after spending enough time in the dungeon, since the dark magic he used seemed to have stopped (other than the staff trapping him, but was that actually good magic? Hm...).
Vlad wrote: โ†‘Fri Dec 08, 2023 5:27 am
ย :lol: ย :lol: ย :lol: They've come such a long way. I'm really proud of them, lol ย :lol: ย :lol:
Haha! Both of you are funny! XD
But the thing is, Magnifico already being like that is essentially โ€œalready being evil from the startโ€œ. Itโ€™s a result of Him relishing and taking advantage of the power that he has, especially after all the hard work he had to do to make the kingdom what it is. He may have started out with good intentions, and maybe perhaps carries at least a little bit of it over,But overall, he doesnโ€™t want to lose it or take even the most Superficial of risks to lose it. Itโ€™s actually very human, my dad is actually a lot like that. Never overlook a little engine, EH? Perhaps it may not be clear, but it does make a lot of sense, especially this day and age with how the world is, whether or not itโ€™s someone you know personally or even someone in that kind of situation at large, whether or not itโ€™s the president etc. do you get what I mean?

And again, with the wishes being forgotten, well it actually does give more meaning and value to the Wishon ceremonies, because then people are able to potentially discover what theyโ€™ve been missing, fill in the missing piece in their lives and discover/help them with what they truly want. All of this is not that hard to figure out if you really think about it, even if it may be not conventional, I actually do find it quite surprising again thereโ€™s people who grew up in the world the way that it is over The last nearly 30 years wooden should be able to understand these kind of thematic elements and mindsets. Again, they have to get with the times and how people are overall thinking otherwise it wonโ€™t truly be that connecting, right?
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Hm, the idea Magnifico really was evil from the start. I don't think they established that. Like, his wife should have been less happy with her marriage if that was the case, and the people should have all been unhappy (the closest they got was with Simon, and kinda her grandfather, but everyone else was so happy), to show how his evil was making the kingdom feel bad, and that Asha needed to change that.
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Disney Duster wrote: โ†‘Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:26 am Hm, the idea Magnifico really was evil from the start. I don't think they established that. Like, his wife should have been less happy with her marriage if that was the case, and the people should have all been unhappy (the closest they got was with Simon, and kinda her grandfather, but everyone else was so happy), to show how his evil was making the kingdom feel bad, and that Asha needed to change that.
Again, you can see subtle hints that somethings off about magnifico, including a little bit of a Divide with his wife, in the scene before Asha Has her interview. Not explicitly evil per se, but that there is something going on.

If you think about it, itโ€™s actually a lot like John Lasseterโ€˜s reign and what supposedly happened. He helped build a โ€œKingdomโ€œ with a lot of hard work, gave everybody at least overall a reason not to worry and be eternally grateful, With no overall signs of anything astray except for perhaps a very small few, until something eventually happened that caused him to snap or rather go a little too far. There were people that were close to him that knew more about what was going on, but they were able to find Band-Aid solutions and keep it under control, but again it wasnโ€™t until something happened that he ended up ousted. True, itโ€™s not quite the same as what happened with magnifico, but you get what I mean here Metaphorically, spiritually and thematically right?
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Apparently, Wish was gonna be hand-drawn going off of this pencil test of King Magnifico: https://x.com/ncluke1024/status/1735041 ... 35907?s=46.

I guess this film kicking off development while Iger was still leading Disney, being animated while Chapek was in charge, and only being halfway done when Iger came back prevented this film from being able to be hand-drawn animated.

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Nuts.

Oh well. We can use this filmโ€™s failure to push Iger to make sure, if he gets pushed to do The Search for Mickey Mouse for the big screen in 2028, he lets that film be hand-drawn.
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