Sorry to go off topic for a bit, but seriously, you mean to tell me that the original Star Wars with Carrie fishers inconsistent accent, Alec Guinness of all people let alone pretty much the entire cast not really seeming like they understand what they’re saying, the lore being inconsistent within and between the movies, As if it’s being constantly made up as it goes along (things like Darth Vader apparently been able to read Luke’s mind during their final duel in return of the Jedi?), Exposition like the clone wars mentioned in the original that are not really explain us of what they are, so it comes off as sounding like lunacy gibberish, the fact that technically speaking most people would probably never even actually seen the original Star Wars per the lack of official release of the actual original version on altered in any kind of way that was shown in theatres in 1977, is still a masterpiece? Again, what it really stems from is people living in the past and not realizing that the main draw and emphasis on the original Star Wars is the fact that there was nothing ever like it AT THE TIME. What about nowadays? I’ve been seeing quite a few people online and in person who agree that Star Wars is dated and doesn’t hold up as well nor is as good as it’s revered. Like I said, it more than seems like people are becoming conditioned into liking it, which again is something that is SUBJECTIVE Which means that all depends on the person and how they think and feel towards things. Saying something is generic, which FYI is what a lot of people said about my personal favourite Disney animated movie, Disney’s dinosaur, and witch to this day even though I’m a lot older, I still strongly disagree and even with the fact that it does share a lot of similarities with the original land before time (which I actually did see several times when I was younger before even seeing dinosaur and even nowadays still don’t really feel like it’s that similar or at least it doesn’t bother me or doesn’t come Off As feeling “generic” as it’s made out to be), If anything only has me like it even more because of that. I actually find it very very strange that people think something is bad because it’s too similar to such and such; if you ask me, you’re coming off way more as actually not liking that original thing if you’re so mad that such and such is “copying” Something else.Mooky wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 4:26 pm Patricier, you're confusing objective thinking with majority thinking, two very different and quite incomparable concepts. Sometimes they overlap, sometimes they don't.
You don't have to like Star Wars, Blade Runner or Fantasia to recognize they're objectively well-written, well-acted, well-directed and overall well-made films. I personally don't have Fantasia anywhere near my Top 50 or Top 100 animated features list because it bores me to death (again, a subjective opinion). I still can't deny that it's a masterpiece, just one that I don't enjoy. On that same personal enjoyment scale, I liked Wish more than Fantasia, because it ticked more buttons for me than Fantasia ever did. I do like Fantasia 2000 better than either of them though.
However, if you go by critics' reviews -- and I mean actual film critics who studied film and who know more about filmmaking process than either you or I, not YouTube or TikTok or random movie blogs -- you'll see that their reviews of Wish point out serious structural and narrative issues with the movie, and that's even before going into issues with the songs and animation. Sure, no critic is 100% objective and I'm certain many of them tend to judge the object of their critique through a personal lens, but their professonal, educated critique still carries more weight than either of our opinions.
So enjoy Wish as much as you want, go see it at the movies as many times as you want, buy it on a disc, do whatever you want. But don't try to shame people for not liking it, or come up with excuses for bad storytelling, or tell people they don't like it because they don't like something about themselves (um, what?) It's insulting and off-putting, and nobody should owe you an explanation for why they dislike something, nor will they change their mind about it just because you tell them to do so. Imagine me telling you to change your dismissive attitude about Star Wars.
You also have to realize, like James Cameron of all people said, that Movies and anything similar to them, are always truly about experience. There’s always more to them than just a story and structure, regardless of the fact that it is the most important thing overall, if not second to the characters. It’s always truly about how the story is told, the concept, the world, again the characters and everything else that you’re experiencing with it. Again, “generic” does not stop me and quite a decent amount of other people from loving Disney’s dinosaur, avatar, etc. if this were the case, then movies would’ve stopped a long time ago, and quite frankly seems like a lot of people nowadays are acting like they actually want that to happen if they’re gonna be this picky, Which is another Main reason why a lot of movies haven’t been doing that well, because it’s all in the eye of beholder. Just look at the most recent mission impossible, it got phenomenal reviews, It’s based off of a more than decently popular contemporary franchise, and it has the same star, studio and other similar people involved that were involved with last year’s second highest grossing movie and over $1 billion movie top gun Maverick, and yet it pretty much bombed at the box office. What does that tell you?
Going back to critics, well the thing is, you need to focus and emphasize more on the fact that movies are again SUBJECTIVE. If anything, the fact of these critics have seen so many movies only Proves that you shouldn’t really be listening to them, because maybe just maybe they’ve seen too much, to the point where they and their mindsets are over thinking things and or are expecting them to be exactly the same as these other ones that they pray so much. And yet ironically,With all this complaint about movies being “generic”, maybe just maybe some of these complaints are actually what helps make it stand as its own thing. A lot of people complain about the structure of my big fat Greek wedding 3 Feeling too much like a travel brochure/travel montage, and yet, that’s actually why I quite enjoy it, Waymore than Barbie, Oppenheimer and Dom money, all of which I found even if they may be more well crafted and polish than the third my big fat Greek wedding, just overall did not deliver on what they were promised or rather overdid it and just missed the mark which made them overall invaluable. Because the thing is, you need to be able to look at it for what it overall is. The third my big fat Greek wedding taking this kind of structure is what helps it stand out and be valuable and enjoyable, because that’s kind of what the whole point of it is, we’re going on a trip to Greece with these characters, and having an experience with them. Yes, the movie does start to fall apart towards the end, but overall despite that, the overall delivered on what they were promised or rather delivered in a way that wasn’t expected but in a good way. Compared to Barbie, which frankly overdid What it was trying to say, and just became very cynical and silly towards the end which also ruins the momentum, pacing and structure Of its overall experience and value, but it still certainly does, but it just leaves a very unsatisfying taste in the end where it’s hard to at least completely appreciate what it did get right, even if it is a good majority of it. Oppenheimer also overdid it and lost its momentum, for being way too long and then it needed to be, and seemingly repeated itself with a lot of very similar scenes, And other scenes including most of the ones with Florence Pugh which don’t really seem overall necessary, and then you could easily cut and still have the same but even better impact and experience of what it is trying to say, a sentiment That my brother, cousin and best friend all thought as well. Personally I am potentially they all thought that you don’t really get/keep the nuance of what is trying to present thematically overall, Which is actually the whole reason why I want to see it long for the big bars and phenomenon that it became, and I personally found it didn’t deliver, or if it did it’s in a very mediocre and not really monumental way like everybody else is saying. And for dumb money, well my parents also agree that they really make it seem like you have to know how the stocks work, which granted even though that is what the movies about, it’s not very inviting for the average person doesn’t really know about this kind of thing, which is What all of these supposed “best” movies are supposed to be, and yet It receives unanimous praise, even from people who apparently don’t even like movies, Though nonetheless it still ends up bombing.
Like I’ve said before, don’t forget that both blade runner and the Empire strikes back did not receive good reviews from critics or fans when it first came out, only to later be regarded as “overlooked masterpieces”. What happened? How do you know the same thing like again it has happened with certain Disney and other movies as well can’t happen to wish? Especially again when you look at a lot of the criticisms in question, and I personally pointed out some things that only Ibra quite a few other people had noticed as well, but again like I’ve seen with many other movies, you can tell that a lot of these professional critics are emphasizing more on their tiredness and fatigue of these kind of movies, but they have with the third divergent movie allegiant which even though I concur is the weakest out of all the divergent movies, is nowhere near deserving of the hatred that it gets, your critical thinking as when looking at the reviews, all I keep seeing as them complaining that it’s too similar to other movies, acting as if apparently there’s a law that you have to see the so-called “better” movies, when again it is SUBJECTIVE. And going back to Star Wars, you could technically say that it is a rip off, as it is literally more or less a remake of the hidden fortress, the only difference is that more people didn’t have access to and didn’t see it back then, so combined with the fact that it has a lot of faulty things from its overall inconsistent and bland acting to not very clear world building or mythology, only shows that there is something wrong with the people experiencing it, but again it is of course SUBJECTIVE, Which symbolizes freedom, and this kind of attitude that you are presenting, even with the valid points that you were stating, is taking away the freedom.
Ironically, People listening/relying on critics all the time is exactly like the kingdom relying on magnifico, and Asha And her friends trying to bring back that kind of freedom. How fortuitous
(Sabrina Carpenter)
Okay, summarizing the final battle like that makes it so stupidly funny Woodrow Pride. 