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JeanGreyForever wrote:I'm glad you loved the film so much and consider it one of Pixar's best! Out of curiosity, which recent Pixar films do you think Onward was so much better than?
For me, its better than literally ALL the 2010s Pixar movies (even though I still LOVE them all), aside from Inside Out of which I would rank it as equal or right below. I also like it better than both Monsters, both Incredibles and Up, ALL of which I still LOVE :)

Definitely NOT as good as what I consider to be the core 4 Pixar films:

Toy Story 1 & 2 (2 is my favourite movie btw and the whole reason why I wanted to get into making movies :)

A Bug's Life (aka the most under rated movie EVER made)

Finding Nemo

Possibly also better than Cars 1 & 2 (Yes, I LOVE Cars 2 and do not understand why the flying heck people hate it so much and consider it to be the worst Pixar sequel, let alone movie. For me its one of their Best Pixar Sequels and my favourite Cars/Planes movie :)

(definitely better than both Planes, of which Fire & Rescue I LOVE and Planes 1, of which I consider to be the worst Cars/Planes movie, but still overall good and better than pretty much ALL other Disneytoons movies, lets alone better than most people give it credit for :)

Ratatouille and Wall.e

Again, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE ALL PIXAR movies and, aside from maybe 5 of them, plus 1 or both of their TV Specials and 1 of their shorts, consider EVERYTHING they've done to be perfect to the point where I wouldn't change ANYTHING about them, and Onward is 1 of those PERFECT ones :)
Wow, then Onwards definitely means a lot to you if it eclipsed so many of your favorites from the 2000s. And you seem like a huge Pete Docter fan since Monsters Inc, Up, and Inside Out all rank super high in your list.

That's so neat that TS2 is what inspired you to want to get into the movie making business. And I'm so glad to see a fan of A Bug's Life here. That is such an underrated film like you said and almost nobody gives it its due these days.

Personally I'm not a fan of the Cars/Planes franchise although I don't mind the first film. It took me almost 10 years to finally sit through the whole thing because I was never one of those kids who had an interest in cars so the general premise of the film didn't appeal to me, but I was surprisingly receptive to the film when I finally saw the whole thing. And it helps that I love the ride in Disney California Adventure.

It's really nice to see a mega-Pixar fan here though because most of the Disney fans here aren't as warm to Pixar, which is understandable considering how the narrative in the 2000s was that Pixar had replaced Disney and Disney was outdated and needed to go away and die.
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JeanGreyForever wrote: What are your first two fav Pixar films?
TS3 & Finding Dory!

I agree about the 3rd act. I had avoided spoilers, so really I didn't know much besides what we saw in trailers, but it was so entertaining, adventurous, edge of your seat!!!
Those are great choices! And I'm so glad to see Finding Dory so high up on your list because recently there's been a backlash to all the non-Toy Story sequels with people claiming that Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 should never have been made, which I do NOT agree with at all. I think Finding Dory is as amazing as the original film so it's heartening to see a person who feels it's even better.

This is one of the few Disney films where I didn't expose myself to spoilers beforehand and I'm so glad for that because the third act had so many major twists and turns. I know Coco was similar in that respect and even though I didn't follow spoilers for Coco, I did predict the revelation early on in the film unlike in Onwards.
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I think Barley might become a new comfort character for me :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :P :P :P
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JeanGreyForever wrote: Those are great choices! And I'm so glad to see Finding Dory so high up on your list because recently there's been a backlash to all the non-Toy Story sequels with people claiming that Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 should never have been made, which I do NOT agree with at all. I think Finding Dory is as amazing as the original film so it's heartening to see a person who feels it's even better.

This is one of the few Disney films where I didn't expose myself to spoilers beforehand and I'm so glad for that because the third act had so many major twists and turns. I know Coco was similar in that respect and even though I didn't follow spoilers for Coco, I did predict the revelation early on in the film unlike in Onwards.
:) The Good Dinosaur & Finding Dory both have similar themes that resonate with me, finding your place in your family/surrogate family, for one; I feel that's even stronger in FD than in FN.

I don't even remember if I read spoilers for Coco (I probably did), and usually for Disney & Pixar movies I do. But you're right, Onward's 3rd act was pretty unpredictable.
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blackcauldron85 wrote:
JeanGreyForever wrote: Those are great choices! And I'm so glad to see Finding Dory so high up on your list because recently there's been a backlash to all the non-Toy Story sequels with people claiming that Finding Dory and Incredibles 2 should never have been made, which I do NOT agree with at all. I think Finding Dory is as amazing as the original film so it's heartening to see a person who feels it's even better.

This is one of the few Disney films where I didn't expose myself to spoilers beforehand and I'm so glad for that because the third act had so many major twists and turns. I know Coco was similar in that respect and even though I didn't follow spoilers for Coco, I did predict the revelation early on in the film unlike in Onwards.
:) The Good Dinosaur & Finding Dory both have similar themes that resonate with me, finding your place in your family/surrogate family, for one; I feel that's even stronger in FD than in FN.

I don't even remember if I read spoilers for Coco (I probably did), and usually for Disney & Pixar movies I do. But you're right, Onward's 3rd act was pretty unpredictable.
The ending for The Good Dinosaur was actually so tragic for me and another reason I think I didn't like it very much. I liked Arlo and Spot's friendship so much and it seemed like Spot was going to be adopted by his family and live with his friend forever so it was heartbreaking when they are separated. It felt almost like in The Fox and the Hound, this message that certain species are better off being segregated and you need to stick with your own people so I actually didn't get that idea of a found family at all in TGD. It seemed more like Spot was just meant to spend limited time with Arlo to help Arlo grow as a person and gain in confidence which is fine and all but it seemed like a permanent goodbye between two friends which I didn't appreciate after rooting for them to stick together.
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(I won't put spoiler tags, but if you haven't seen The Good Dinosaur, there be spoilers ahead!)

^ TGD & TF&tH are two of my favorites; I have always appreciated those kinds of endings ...

For me, Arlo didn't feel like he had a spot in his family (wow, no pun intended!), with his parents and siblings, and then obviously by the end, he made his mark, and that just resonates a lot with me. But I totally agree; when I first saw the movie, I thought for sure that Spot + Arlo would be together. But Spot got a family too, so bittersweet ending for all. It's such a beautiful, aesthetically and thematically and emotionally, movie. I feel that way about Onward + FD, too.
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blackcauldron85 wrote:(I won't put spoiler tags, but if you haven't seen The Good Dinosaur, there be spoilers ahead!)

^ TGD & TF&tH are two of my favorites; I have always appreciated those kinds of endings ...

For me, Arlo didn't feel like he had a spot in his family (wow, no pun intended!), with his parents and siblings, and then obviously by the end, he made his mark, and that just resonates a lot with me. But I totally agree; when I first saw the movie, I thought for sure that Spot + Arlo would be together. But Spot got a family too, so bittersweet ending for all. It's such a beautiful, aesthetically and thematically and emotionally, movie. I feel that way about Onward + FD, too.
I don't mind unhappy or bittersweet endings and I even can quite enjoy them, but I'll admit that I feel we have enough of those in the real world. And especially in Disney movies, I prefer something a little more optimistic and uplifting. One of the reasons I'm very happy Hunchback has a happy ending (and book purists may cry out at this but even Victor Hugo himself let Esmeralda live when he adapted the book into an operetta). Although I guess I don't mind the Pocahontas ending so much for some reason.

TF&TH is especially bitter in my book because throughout the whole film, it appears as though Tod is way more into Copper than Copper is into Tod. It feels like a super one-sided relationship especially the way Copper so easily turns his back on Tod and I never understood why at the end, the Widow Tweed and Amos can end up getting along but Copper and Tod still have to be separated. And in TGD, Spot does get a family but it was hard to feel emotionally connected to a pack of random humans who we barely saw. If they had been implemented in the film more and we learned that they had lost a child, there would be some emotional connection to Spot, just like how Spot and Arlo bonded over the fact that both had lost a parent.
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^ Pocahontas is another favorite of mine...

I'm happy with THoND's ending, having read the book.

Hound dogs are stubborn...I'm defending Copper as a hound mom. Yes, if they stayed friends forever, if be happy; I think ultimately it's okay that the friendship is more one-sided; Tod did what he felt was right, and that speaks a lot about his character.

For me it's less about Spot's family, although I'm thrilled they get to adopt him and fill whatever hole in their family, and more about Spot having a spot in a family.
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Patricier21 wrote:Ya I know eh? Was not expecting ANYTHING close to that....

I must say as well that literally EVERYTHING that I thought was gonna happen in the form of predictability NEVER even came close to happening. Man if only I hadn't kinda spoiled Toy Story 4, of which was through THIS forum btw, as like I said you gotta cover EVERYTHING you say related to spoilers including phrases like "Our predictions were correct", as reading it can put common knowledge together and figure it out.

Of course, I was being too risky looking up Toy Story 4's forum post here trying to find information related to a possible Toy Story 4 game, other merchandise etc of which I should've held A LOT more restraint, even as the sequel to my favourite movie :)
AGREED with everything you said!

JeanGreyForever and blackcauldron85, I think Finding Dory is just as good and amazing as Finding Nemo, too, and Incredibles 2 was also a good follow-up to the original! I think Tod and Copper couldn't be together because of the power of nature, but yes, there is the feeling that maybe they could have been together as well. I just think the film is saying nature was too powerful a force.
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(So sorry to everyone for steering the convo away from Onward...so much great Disney discussion going on...) I'm going to post my thoughts in the TF&tH thread!
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Onward is coming to the US tonight on digital download and will be streaming on #DisneyPlus on April 3rd.

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Just came to post this! Whoa at this news. I'm excited to see it again so soon. I wonder when it'll come to Blu-ray...
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Holy cow. That’s a bold move. But I mean, at this point, what choice did they really have? Still, what a marker of the strange times we’re living in.

Guess I’ll be seeing Onward much sooner than I anticipated....
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My gosh. Surreal, like everything else these days. Feel sorry for the studio and the all the talents that worked on it. I hope it has longevity and lasting success on home video/streaming.
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Wow, I did not expect this. I honestly thought Disney would pull it out of theaters and re-release it later on.
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YES! That's another good initiative imho.
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Can someone explain to me the economics of streaming? Is Disney looking to gain a lot more subscribers by offering Frozen 2 + Onward? Or have people extend their subscription the another month? Will more people pay $7.90 a month for Disney+ than buy the digital download or Blu/DVD?
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Onward was so good! Not my favorite, but it’s another Pixar classic. But, I felt cheated by the ending. I mean, it would have been too easy to have Ian meet his dad. But, it was his only chance to see him. I just felt awful for Ian. :( Did anyone feel the same?

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I like that while the movie was simple and it didn't really had spoilers, the third act didn't go like the way I thought. I was wondering why the dragon mascot on the school appeared every 10 seconds in the school scenes. I love how the dragon's roar was the school bell. :lol:

Love that they made the mom's BF a regular guy and not a douchebag. Love that she has a BF in the first place. Great message of moving on. Why was he reffered as the step dad at one point.

The ogre with the crutches was the greatest surprise ever. :D :D :D I didn't find the deaf character though. I'm so glad Pixar is finally acknowledging disabled characters! :dance:
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disneyprincess11 wrote:Onward was so good! Not my favorite, but it’s another Pixar classic. But, I felt cheated by the ending. I mean, it would have been too easy to have Ian meet his dad. But, it was his only chance to see him. I just felt awful for Ian. :( Did anyone feel the same?:
Yes! I felt like Ian could have tried to go see his just for just a few seconds before he disappeared! I thought he stopped the other stuff from interfering and he could go see his dad!

I also don't remember which kid was deaf.
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Watched the film again and it wasn't as interesting as the first time. It'll probably end up as one of these films that I don't revisit often or at all.

I saw someone compare it to Zootopia and how in Zootopia they made a world which was developed to fit the characters that live in that world, while Onward just put all these characters in our world, but it isn't likely that a centaur will drive a normal car for instance.
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disneyprincess11 wrote: I mean, it would have been too easy to have Ian meet his dad. But, it was his only chance to see him. I just felt awful for Ian. :( Did anyone feel the same?:
Yes! I felt like Ian could have tried to go see his just for just a few seconds before he disappeared! I thought he stopped the other stuff from interfering and he could go see his dad!
I took it as Ian was making a sacrifice for his brother. Ian learned on their quest just how much Barley has been there for him, really as a father figure, so I took it as Ian making the ultimate sacrifice for this brother. Since Ian grew up with a father figure in Barley, but Barley didn't once their dad died, Ian allowed his brother to spend all the time with Dad. But, if it weren't for the rubble around Ian, they both would've been able to. I think Ian just accepted it, no matter how sad, and was happy that at least his brother got to have that moment. And I think Ian was at least happy to witness the little bit he did.
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