* On that note, I suppose this film is at least the more memorable of the two considering it's still being talked about.

Honestly, I feel that way more about Tangled and Frozen than I do with Wish. Mostly because even if the filmmakers had gone with earlier, scrapped ideas like a human Star or an evil Amaya, the fundamental problems with the conceit, the plot, the characterizations, and the world-building in Wish would still have been present. It would have made the film a little better, sure, but the difference would not have been significant enough for the film to work, in my estimation. And there still wouldn't have been romance in the film. There was never an intent, at any point, for human Star to serve as Asha's love interest. That was an idea the fandom latched on to because they miss romance in Disney films and because At All Costs sounds like a love song. But, the reason it sounds like a love song is not because it was originally written for human Star and Asha, but because the songwriter really wanted to shoehorn a love song into the film.Mooky wrote: โWed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pmMany Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got.
Source: https://variety.com/2023/artisans/award ... 235820323/The song โAt All Costs,โ sung by Asha and King Magnifico, was important to Lee. The song navigates the importance of the wishes to each of them, and the two are emotionally aligned here. Lee pushed for a song expressing this. โYou had to understand what it felt like to hold someoneโs wish in your hand. How do we viscerally understand that when youโre with them, you feel like youโre holding someoneโs raison dโรชtre?โ she says. โYou canโt do this in any other way but song.
Since there was no love song in the film, Michaels wanted to write a song that as a standalone sounded like a love song that could be played at weddings. Yet in the context of the film, itโs about the heroine and villain. Says Michaels, โHow cool would it be if we wrote a song that if you listened to on its own, it sounds like a love song, it could be something you could play at your wedding, or be a lullaby to your kids, just something really beautiful, but when you watch the film, itโs the heroine and itโs the villain.โ She continues, โYou realize theyโre coming about this both from various points, one from a very selfless standpoint and one from a selfish standpoint.โ
We almost got a different version of Brother Bear? How much different was it?Mooky wrote: โWed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pm It's so bizarre to me. Many Disney movies went through complicated production processes and had whole storylines and characters thrown out of the window to make space for new iterations. And I'm more than happy with, say, Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories. Not so much with Wish because pretty much everything I've seen and read makes the original storyline so much better and enticing, and even fan theories are more pleasing than what we got. It also doesn't help to see concept art brought to life in these fan-made videos; some truly wonderful imagery that is lacking from the final movie. Thank you both for posting those links.
Youre very welcomeMooky wrote: โWed Oct 09, 2024 1:25 pmAnd I'm more than happy with, say Aladdin or Brother Bear we got and never wished to see the original versions because I trusted the filmmakers that they couldn't get them to work, and that the end results ended up being the best versions of those particular stories
Thank you!!!! Thats what I also always thought! Because at the end, the stakes would have been the same, only that Star would have dialouge (when he wasnt mute like Tink). But this Human Star Concept is undoubtfully more interesting regardless
Me too. Those were almost COMPLETELY different movies, with different themes and plots and characters, Frozens variety of versions is probably the most interesting, although Rapunzel Unbraided, while I LOVE sincere straight forward fairytales like in theย Renaissance Era, it would have been something fresh, and as this wouldnt have been their "official" adaptation of Rapunzel, just a fairytale setting with the Rapunzel characters facing a different problem, they always would have had the opportunity to officially adapt the source material a few decades afterwards, like the Mickey Beanstalk -> Gigantic situation. Rawr
The thing i remember is that Koda was originally a big grown up fuzzy Bear, and the original storyline was based on the tale of "King Lair" following Lion Kings successDisneyJedi wrote: โSat Oct 12, 2024 7:59 am We almost got a different version of Brother Bear? How much different was it?
Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/awards/ ... 235837820/Top Soundtrack
Hazbin Hotel
Trolls: Band Together
Twisters
Wish
Wonka
This implies that Disney will completely not forget the existence of Wish?Sotiris wrote: โThu Dec 05, 2024 3:23 pm Wish will be part of the updated "World of Color" at Disneyland.
Source: https://x.com/DisneyParks/status/1864720223103799506
I guess that the movie has been making decent numbers in streaming (I assume) so they don't see the movie as a massive lossDisneyJedi wrote: โFri Dec 06, 2024 11:49 pm Very interesting how, despite the film being regarded by the majority as โbottom of the barrelโ and being a box office dud, Disney doesnโt see Wish as a total and complete embarrassment of a movie in every way possible, unlike their attitude towards Song of the South.
I mean, I was going to say The Black Cauldron instead, but even that gets attention very occasionally. Even if the attention isnโt directly from Disney.Pokenonbinary wrote: โSat Dec 07, 2024 3:55 amI guess that the movie has been making decent numbers in streaming (I assume) so they don't see the movie as a massive lossDisneyJedi wrote: โFri Dec 06, 2024 11:49 pm Very interesting how, despite the film being regarded by the majority as โbottom of the barrelโ and being a box office dud, Disney doesnโt see Wish as a total and complete embarrassment of a movie in every way possible, unlike their attitude towards Song of the South.
And also its weird to compare it to Song Of The South, that movie doesn't exists to them for the obvious racist reasons, not for Box office.
Anyways I hope they make a TV show in 2D for the IP to try to save the IP
You know what? It`s very interesting, indeed. Despite how the studio had high hopes for Wish and despite how it was lukewarmly received, it`s really remarkable how Disney haven`t swept it completely under the rug. It`s still been promoted, unlike Strange World, which Disney have completely neglected. When I was at Disney 100th Exhibition in June again, Asha was featured on some of the promotional clips. And when I was in the Disney store in London, there was a lot of merchandise of the movie. And even some of the songs were played. But a reason for not dismissing Wish could`ve been because of how it`s steeped in Disney`s trademark Princess components. And how Disney are considering Asha to be in their Princess franchise.DisneyJedi wrote: โFri Dec 06, 2024 11:49 pm Very interesting how, despite the film being regarded by the majority as โbottom of the barrelโ and being a box office dud, Disney doesnโt see Wish as a total and complete embarrassment of a movie in every way possible, unlike their attitude towards Song of the South.