Moana

[Kyle]

Peoples opinion on other things do not affect you in any way, you're being way too sensitive here.

[Disney's Divinity]

That some of the modern WDAS films borrow concepts (like a female protagonist facing a climate crisis of some kind) is a fairly common criticism. I don't think it's being unfair to Wish to point out it copies a few things, most Disney films copy from films behind them. Like how Cinderella and SB have a similar structure as SW as far as the mice or fairies replacing the Dwarfs or how some of the '90s films borrow a few things from films just prior like The Black Cauldron/Oliver & Company, or how later '90s repeats some of early '90s films, etc.

[Patricier21]

Peoples opinion on other things do not affect you in any way, you're being way too sensitive here.

Oh but they do in the sense that they affect the overall perception and attitude towards things, including influencing others even if not myself towards how again things overall are, Including the general mindset towards how you perceive such things, so in other words It may cause myself or others to think a certain way towards something else, evolving into something around those lines, let alone again feeling this kind of mindset which should not ever be accepted in this kind of way no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem

[twihard]

Peoples opinion on other things do not affect you in any way, you're being way too sensitive here.

Oh but they do in the sense that they affect the overall perception and attitude towards things, including influencing others even if not myself towards how again things overall are, Including the general mindset towards how you perceive such things, so in other words It may cause myself or others to think a certain way towards something else, evolving into something around those lines, let alone again feeling this kind of mindset which should not ever be accepted in this kind of way no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem

I feel for u. Your words make sense to me cuz it is true that the more negativity that exists about a subject can influence others. I know a lot of things in my life which I did not give a fair chance too cuz I heard bad stuff about it from others so I assumed it was something bad....only to change my mind upon actually experiencing it. u seem to be very passionate and dedicated even if your passion is misdirected towards modern "Disney" which I do not consider to be real. I'm sorry u feel ganged up on though. Have u tried enjoying more of the classic films instead??? I think u would get better reactions than wasting it on the likes of this Tangled on the beach movie. U will find Pocahontas more fulfilling a true classic

[Patricier21]

Oh but they do in the sense that they affect the overall perception and attitude towards things, including influencing others even if not myself towards how again things overall are, Including the general mindset towards how you perceive such things, so in other words It may cause myself or others to think a certain way towards something else, evolving into something around those lines, let alone again feeling this kind of mindset which should not ever be accepted in this kind of way no matter what no matter how otherwise it may seem

I feel for u. Your words make sense to me cuz it is true that the more negativity that exists about a subject can influence others. I know a lot of things in my life which I did not give a fair chance too cuz I heard bad stuff about it from others so I assumed it was something bad....only to change my mind upon actually experiencing it. u seem to be very passionate and dedicated even if your passion is misdirected towards modern "Disney" which I do not consider to be real. I'm sorry u feel ganged up on though. Have u tried enjoying more of the classic films instead??? I think u would get better reactions than wasting it on the likes of this Tangled on the beach movie. U will find Pocahontas more fulfilling a true classic

Again, please be aware of the kind of language that you are using, because you’re doing the exact same thing that I’m Overall stating here, Stating things like “modern Disney is not real“ or “tangled on the beach movie“, which for the record I consider to be quite a lot better than the actual tangled movie you’re of course allowed to think the way that you do, and express your opinions, but please be aware of how You are expressing it and how authors may perceive and be influenced by it, like you even admitted above. Because you may be causing others to miss out on something that they let alone others may really like, and or prevent more things whether directly related to them or similar to them from happening because of the overall negative reaction and lack of overall success, EH?

[twihard]

I feel for u. Your words make sense to me cuz it is true that the more negativity that exists about a subject can influence others. I know a lot of things in my life which I did not give a fair chance too cuz I heard bad stuff about it from others so I assumed it was something bad....only to change my mind upon actually experiencing it. u seem to be very passionate and dedicated even if your passion is misdirected towards modern "Disney" which I do not consider to be real. I'm sorry u feel ganged up on though. Have u tried enjoying more of the classic films instead??? I think u would get better reactions than wasting it on the likes of this Tangled on the beach movie. U will find Pocahontas more fulfilling a true classic

Again, please be aware of the kind of language that you are using, because you’re doing the exact same thing that I’m Overall stating here, Stating things like “modern Disney is not real“ or “tangled on the beach movie“, which for the record I consider to be quite a lot better than the actual tangled movie you’re of course allowed to think the way that you do, and express your opinions, but please be aware of how You are expressing it and how authors may perceive and be influenced by it, like you even admitted above. Because you may be causing others to miss out on something that they let alone others may really like, and or prevent more things whether directly related to them or similar to them from happening because of the overall negative reaction and lack of overall success, EH?

Thank you for alerting me. I would normally agree with your take but in this case, I believe the best thing I could do is help dissuade ppl from giving modern, corrupt Disney a chance at watching their morally bankrupt products. I consider it a public service to educate them on instead watching the real Disney back when this was a company that cared for making art or at least entertaining the public and making dreams come true. If my posts help ppl see that real Disney is Snow White, Little mermaid, Dumbo, Winnie the Pooh, Song of the South, Mary poppins, Jungle book and not CGI trash like Tangled on ice, Tangled on the beach, Tangled set in Spain but somehow black, black mermaid, brown Snow white with diverse genderbent dwarfs, Hermione and the beast, Misunderstood Maleficent, rapping Mary poppins, evil Peter Pan, Jessica Rabbit covered up, flop frog DEI mountain, soulless no emotion Lion King, woke Pirates without Johnny Depp, etc. then I feel I have done my job. I cannot support a company that is actively erasing their history and forcing DEI into everything. Also Acting like thier founder, one of the greatest human beings to ever exist, is a bigot and problematic. ALso funding genocides in China and Palestine and probably the Congo and Sudan too. Another good example is what is gonna happen with Harry Potter. Those movies are classics but now they have to be remade probably to be "fixed." All I know is I'm never gonna watch them and I'll be telling everyone I see never to support these revisionist films cuz they aren't Harry Potter and never will be.
Right now I see that Bob Iger's positoin on board is being challenged by ppl he tried to oust. My sympathies are with Nelson Peltz. He could be the one to fix Disney. Make Disney Great Again.

[Vlad]

Patricier, first of all, your way of writing is so chaotic. Learn to express your thoughts in separate sentences, finish a point, then start another one, use punctuation, anything. I got a headache trying to keep up with everything you wrote. You start a topic, then, in the middle, you start another one, you come back to the first, then open a third one...and so on...it's very difficult to keep up. Seriously, not trying to be mean..

Second, your comment about your opinion being influenced by others, sounds like a you problem. You can't dictate to others how to think, just because it may influence you or because you're bothered by it, that's very childish. You should be able to think on your own. If you hear an opinion about something you have yet to experience, it shouldn't influence you. Wait to try it, then, you can think whatever you want. I'm sorry, but your attitude is very bully-like.

[Farerb]

In this video there's an interview with Nik Ranieri and he confirmed that Moana was supposed to be hand drawn:
https://youtu.be/ts84dhnWwCA?si=z7arycFeReaIApvE

[Sotiris]

Typical of Iger to blindside filmmakers with surprise announcements during earnings calls to drive up the stock and impress Wall Street.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Typical of Iger to blindside filmmakers with surprise announcements during earnings calls to drive up the stock and impress Wall Street.

Well, he can't do that with Tiana's series on Disney+ now that EVERYONE, IMO, is expecting it to be hand-drawn. He can try but I won't let him. The only thing he can do is maybe turn it into a movie, maybe as a way to pump more money into it so it stays fully hand-drawn. But that is a wait and see.

[Sotiris]

I knew Ron & John weren't satisfied with how Lasseter run things at the studio during his tenure. They wouldn't have left otherwise.

[John Musker] prefers Katzenberg’s reign of terror to that which followed: “Moana was a very difficult project. It was our idea, but with Pixar and John Lasseter, our story kept changing hands. In the ‘90s, we had Jeffrey. He was an emperor, you know. But there weren’t 10 Jeffreys. Now, you have too many people to satisfy, before we didn’t have 15 directors telling you how to make the movie.

Source: https://english.elpais.com/culture/2024 ... ncess.html

[DisneyFan09]

Well, it`s not surprising at all. No wonder that Moana didn`t felt like a true, authentic Musker/Clements movie. Also for the case of having co-directors with them. Now that I think about it, Moana felt a little more subdued to Clusker`s usual frantic pace.

[Sotiris]

As a testament to the enduring love for Moana‘s characters, music, and story, the 2016 film was the most streamed movie across all platforms in 2023, according to Nielsen.

Source: https://thewaltdisneycompany.com/moana- ... n-history/

Since the Disney+ streaming service launched in late 2019, Moana has been among the four-most-watched films on any streaming service every year, according to Nielsen data. Fans have watched nearly 80 billion minutes of Moana, the equivalent of seeing the picture 748 million times. It’s also been in the streaming top 10 almost all of this year. The album has sold 5.6 million copies, according to Luminate Data, more than Coco and Encanto, two other recent Disney musicals, combined.

Source: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... o-theaters

[Sotiris]

According to Nielsen, Moana was the most-streamed movie of 2024.

With over 13 billion viewing minutes accumulated on Disney+ in 2024, Moana finished as the most-watched streaming movie for a second consecutive year. The Disney favorite exhibited a bump in viewership towards the end of the year that coincided with the theatrical release of its sequel, Moana 2. This marks Moana’s most-streamed year ever and solidifies it as the most-streamed movie since 2020.

Source: https://www.nielsen.com/insights/2025/t ... ey-awards/

[Disney's Divinity]

Makes sense the sequel would've caused it to be streamed even more.

[Sotiris]

Music from Moana has new certifications from The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) Including:

• "How Far I'll Go" is now 8x Platinum
• "You're Welcome" is now 7x Platinum
• "Tulou Tagaloa" is now Platinum

Source: https://www.facebook.com/disneymusic/vi ... 039189889/

[Sotiris]

The famous Tiki test that was done as a proof of concept for the new 2D/CG hybrid style they were initially planning to use in the film has finally been leaked! Interesting stuff. The footage with the Tiki guy playing the ukulele is particularly impressive.


Source: https://x.com/LostMediaBuster/status/19 ... 2221926840

[Sotiris]

"Moana" Live-To-Film Concert North American Tour Sets Sail This Fall
https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-en ... rica-2025/

Review: Percussion, Culture, and Storytelling Shine in Disney Moana Live-to-Film Concert
https://www.laughingplace.com/disney-en ... rt-review/

[Sotiris]

John Lasseter twisted our arms to make Moana CG. I was campaigning for making it a hybrid film. I thought the decision hadn't quite been made. "Let us do a few more tests on it," he kept saying. But when we had a big meeting with international marketing people, he told them: "And I want to announce Ron and John's next film, and it's going to be their first CG film!" "It is?" I thought. "Well, I guess it is."

[...] On Moana, we didn't write the script. Taika Waititi wrote the first draft, and then other writers came in. And we certainly had some very strong voices on that film. Our producer, who was a woman, and Pam Ribon, who was a writer, and other people were beating us up in some cases about story ideas. "Don't let our lead character Moana take backstage to Maui. Keep her up in the front!" they'd say. I wanted to do some things where it would have pushed Maui more to the front. I kept getting hit over the head. "No, no, no!"

[...] John Lasseter brought in the Pixar system of Story Trust over at Disney, where you're taking the movie and ripping it apart after you've screened it internally. Having meetings with fellow directors and story people shredding the movie and then reassembling it was difficult. Even in the days of Jeffrey Katzenberg, he would do a certain amount of that, but we wouldn't have a meeting of 20 people doing that. On Princess and the Frog, it wasn't quite that way; we were more in sync with John. On Moana, there was a greater struggle because there were more ideas coming up in those Story Trust meetings that were taking our movie in a whole different direction. It was a challenge to try and navigate that.

[...] When we pitched the idea for the film, it was based on Maui and I initiated it. I had always loved the paintings of Gauguin and the novels of Conrad and Melville that were set in the South Seas seemed so exotic and vivid to me and a great landscape for a movie. That led me to looking for some kind of mythology that goes with that area. I then discovered this rich mythology with the character of Maui, so we pitched a Maui-centric story to John Lasseter and Ed Catmull.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I-0ncw7X0I

[PatchofBlue]

Yeah, as much as I enjoy the film, it has always kind of felt like a sum-average to me. I've always felt the earmarks of a lot of corporate trimming. After the film became a runaway hit on streaming, that may have given studios the incentive to insert themselves even more into the process, which would partially explain something like "Wish."

I am curious to imagine, though, how a film named after its heroine would afford any space for its second-lead character. Like, way back in like 2010 when this movie was just a piece of concept art, it still seemed like Moana was always the centerpiece.