Snow White (Live-Action)

[Disney's Divinity]

What are your favorites over the animated films? My guesses are Ever After and Snow White: A Tale of Terror. Are those the only ones? Is that even correct?

Yeah. With the Cinderella story, for me it goes Ever After > 1950 film > and third place tied between the '90s R&H version and The Glass Slipper. I do love all those versions more or less.

I feel like SW is a different situation--I don't feel like there is a perfect version of SW like there is with Cinderella, B&tB, Aladdin, etc. Tale of Terror is my favorite, but even it is a little lacking, at least in the part of the film after SW runs away; love the horror, but SW's character doesn't really get anything to do in the second half. I wouldn't have wanted her to become a "warrior," but they could've focused on the romance more maybe? I like the beginning and end of the animated film, and I enjoy Theron and Hemsworth in Snow White and the Huntsman, but overall neither one of those films completely do it for me. OUAT probably would have my second favorite version of SW after Tale of Terror, since the Queen, Snow, and Prince are all well-cast there. Come to think of it, that's the only time I've liked the whole take on Snow as some kind of leader and as someone who learned to survive in the woods alone before meeting the Dwarfs. I guess because a show gives the story so much breathing time to develop that kind of take, whereas it never works in the movie versions that have tried it.

It's a shame Rapunzel and Sleeping Beauty don't really have many versions... I've never seen a "perfect" version of those two stories either, although animated SB is a masterpiece as far as animation goes and Maleficent/Audley's performance is incredible.

[carolinakid]

Favorite Snow White:
1937 classic Adriana Caselotti
Nothing else compares, imo.

Favorite Cinderella:
1950 classic Ilene Woods
1957 R&H Julie Andrews
1965 R&H Lesley Ann Warren
Nothing else compares, imo.

[Disney's Divinity]

I think most could predict you'll prefer the old of anything being discussed at this point. For me, a movie being new or old has almost nothing to do with whether it's good or not. There are old movies that suck, new movies that are great, and vice versa.

[Thumper_93]

What are your favorites over the animated films? My guesses are Ever After and Snow White: A Tale of Terror. Are those the only ones? Is that even correct?

Yeah. With the Cinderella story, for me it goes Ever After > 1950 film > and third place tied between the '90s R&H version and The Glass Slipper. I do love all those versions more or less.

I feel like SW is a different situation--I don't feel like there is a perfect version of SW like there is with Cinderella, B&tB, Aladdin, etc. Tale of Terror is my favorite, but even it is a little lacking, at least in the part of the film after SW runs away; love the horror, but SW's character doesn't really get anything to do in the second half. I wouldn't have wanted her to become a "warrior," but they could've focused on the romance more maybe? I like the beginning and end of the animated film, and I enjoy Theron and Hemsworth in Snow White and the Huntsman, but overall neither one of those films completely do it for me. OUAT probably would have my second favorite version of SW after Tale of Terror, since the Queen, Snow, and Prince are all well-cast there. Come to think of it, that's the only time I've liked the whole take on Snow as some kind of leader and as someone who learned to survive in the woods alone before meeting the Dwarfs. I guess because a show gives the story so much breathing time to develop that kind of take, whereas it never works in the movie versions that have tried it.

It's a shame Rapunzel and Sleeping Beauty don't really have many versions... I've never seen a "perfect" version of those two stories either, although animated SB is a masterpiece as far as animation goes and Maleficent/Audley's performance is incredible.

If you want to see a good version of the Rapunzel Fairy tale then see the one made by Nippon animation for the TV show “Tales of the Brother Grimm”

[carolinakid]

Sobre gustos, no hay nada escrito.
That’s my philosophy!

[Farerb]

I also agree with the above. The Cinderella remake is so overrated. I can't believe there are people who even prefer it over the animated original.

The Cinderella remake was utterly unremarkable, but the remakes have become increasingly worse since then that it feels like a "masterpiece" (it's not) by comparison.

[Disney's Divinity]

If you want to see a good version of the Rapunzel Fairy tale then see the one made by Nippon animation for the TV show “Tales of the Brother Grimm”

Hmm, I'll try to see if I can find that. I think somebody had said something about a Barbie Rapunzel in the live-action Tangled remake thread, but I never watched those Barbie movies growing up to know if they're any good.

[Disney Duster]

Yeah. With the Cinderella story, for me it goes Ever After > 1950 film > and third place tied between the '90s R&H version and The Glass Slipper. I do love all those versions more or less.

I feel like SW is a different situation--I don't feel like there is a perfect version of SW like there is with Cinderella, B&tB, Aladdin, etc. Tale of Terror is my favorite, but even it is a little lacking, at least in the part of the film after SW runs away; love the horror, but SW's character doesn't really get anything to do in the second half. I wouldn't have wanted her to become a "warrior," but they could've focused on the romance more maybe? I like the beginning and end of the animated film, and I enjoy Theron and Hemsworth in Snow White and the Huntsman, but overall neither one of those films completely do it for me. OUAT probably would have my second favorite version of SW after Tale of Terror, since the Queen, Snow, and Prince are all well-cast there. Come to think of it, that's the only time I've liked the whole take on Snow as some kind of leader and as someone who learned to survive in the woods alone before meeting the Dwarfs. I guess because a show gives the story so much breathing time to develop that kind of take, whereas it never works in the movie versions that have tried it.

It's a shame Rapunzel and Sleeping Beauty don't really have many versions... I've never seen a "perfect" version of those two stories either, although animated SB is a masterpiece as far as animation goes and Maleficent/Audley's performance is incredible.

What an interesting post! Ok, so Ever After is the best live-action Cinderella movie, because it is the most consistently entertaining, dramatic, with the best developed hero and villain and always fantastic costumes to look at. The 2015 is still my favorite live action film ever made, but it's not hard to see that knowing me. The 1950 is unbeatable to me because it is still the most emotional, I think you feel the most sad and then joyous for Ilene. I am surprised you like The Glass Slipper more than The Slipper and the Rose! One interesting thing is the screenwriter for The Glass Slipper was a woman, so that's probably why Cinderella had some added angry dimension and ran away at one point. And you like the 90s R+H Cinderella more than the Lesley Ann Warren one? Lesley is the best live action Cinderella actress to me because she almost breaks your heart!

Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, I am still so surprised you don't think the Disney animations are perfect! I mean Snow White still has a personality, very sweet and caring! Aurora...is fun with the animals! Haha. Snow White is considered by so many to be one of Disney's best masterpieces, including by me, but, you have never really liked it except the queen, so, I guess I am not surprised.

Favorite Snow White:
1937 classic Adriana Caselotti
Nothing else compares, imo.

Favorite Cinderella:
1950 classic Ilene Woods
1957 R&H Julie Andrews
1965 R&H Lesley Ann Warren
Nothing else compares, imo.

If only you would ever see Ever After...but even Drew Barrymore does not compare to Ilene and Lesley's portrayals.

The Cinderella remake was utterly unremarkable, but the remakes have become increasingly worse since then that it feels like a "masterpiece" (it's not) by comparison.

The film told the story in a straight, classic way, and that is why I like it. Also, at least most people agree the 2015 remake is a masterpiece visually. Some people say it is one of the most beautiful films they have ever seen.

If you want to see a good version of the Rapunzel Fairy tale then see the one made by Nippon animation for the TV show “Tales of the Brother Grimm”.

Hmm, I'll try to see if I can find that. I think somebody had said something about a Barbie Rapunzel in the live-action Tangled remake thread, but I never watched those Barbie movies growing up to know if they're any good.

I need to look that up, too! I have seen the Barbie Rapunzel...all I can really remember about it was it was not good.

[Disney's Divinity]

Yeah, I think I remember trying to watch one of the Barbie ones (something with mermaids?) when they had some kind of rerun on TV in the distant past. I didn't watch more than 10 minutes or so because it was pretty bad.

I do like some visuals in the 2015 remake. The prince's costumes, Cate Blanchett's hair/makeup were so well-done (definitely one of the top movies she's been in as far as how beautiful she looked in it, she was gorgeous) as well as the black and emerald dress she wears at the end of the film as Cinderella leaves*, and the Fairy Godmother's dress. I think I also liked the wedding dress. I can't straight off remember the look of the chateau and palace in the remake to say. I agree that Ilene Woods and LAW are probably the best Cinderella's, but the music just doesn't sound too great for me in the old version versus the '90s and I felt like every other role was played by someone better in the '90s film. The only time I ever pull out the LAW version is if I want to see Pat Carroll or LAW herself. I remember I bought the Andrews version years ago on DVD without even seeing it because I assumed it would trounce that version even if Andrews' vocals can be a little emotionless compared to someone like Woods or Warren, but I was surprisingly disappointed. The weakest part of the '90s version are a lot of gaudy costumes and Brandy's not a great actor, but I love everything else about it.

* Now I'm to re-watch that scene again on YouTube.

[Lavendergolden]

If you want to see a good version of the Rapunzel Fairy tale then see the one made by Nippon animation for the TV show “Tales of the Brother Grimm”

Hey, you have wonderful taste. I've been reading your posts lately and everything you say is so insightful and interesting. I just love whenever you post especially this latest one because that's such a wonderful Rapunzel take. Hope to chat with you some more later.

Favorite Snow White:
1937 classic Adriana Caselotti
Nothing else compares, imo.

Favorite Cinderella:
1950 classic Ilene Woods
1957 R&H Julie Andrews
1965 R&H Lesley Ann Warren
Nothing else compares, imo.

Beautiful choices. This is the definitive list right here. Nothing else needed.

[Disney Duster]

Yeah, I think I remember trying to watch one of the Barbie ones (something with mermaids?) when they had some kind of rerun on TV in the distant past. I didn't watch more than 10 minutes or so because it was pretty bad.

I do like some visuals in the 2015 remake. The prince's costumes, Cate Blanchett's hair/makeup were so well-done (definitely one of the top movies she's been in as far as how beautiful she looked in it, she was gorgeous) as well as the black and emerald dress she wears at the end of the film as Cinderella leaves*, and the Fairy Godmother's dress. I think I also liked the wedding dress. I can't straight off remember the look of the chateau and palace in the remake to say. I agree that Ilene Woods and LAW are probably the best Cinderella's, but the music just doesn't sound too great for me in the old version versus the '90s and I felt like every other role was played by someone better in the '90s film. The only time I ever pull out the LAW version is if I want to see Pat Carroll or LAW herself. I remember I bought the Andrews version years ago on DVD without even seeing it because I assumed it would trounce that version even if Andrews' vocals can be a little emotionless compared to someone like Woods or Warren, but I was surprisingly disappointed. The weakest part of the '90s version are a lot of gaudy costumes and Brandy's not a great actor, but I love everything else about it.

* Now I'm to re-watch that scene again on YouTube.

Yay! I LOVE the 2015 Fairy Godmother's white dress especially! It's 18th century retroussé! But, you think Natalie Desselle was better as the bigger stepsister than Pat Carroll? I think if Julie had been given a meatier, more dramatic role she would have knocked it out of the park. I don't have a problem with any costume in the '90s R+H Cindy but I know you do so I will leave it alone. I feel the feminist ending of Cindy leaving is almost like her path to freedom almost costs her her happy ending and is misguided. The other versions keep the drama all the way to the end better. That said, the '90s one is the better one to me overall, too, I am just surprised you think so as well. Yay to everything else.

[Farerb]

This person on Twitter says that The Evil Queen's song is called "All is Fair":
https://x.com/rio_gomez_/status/1865066 ... s88DA&s=19

Don't know who they are so take it with a grain of salt.

However, We do know that The Evil Queen will have a song because Gal Gadot confirmed it in an interview:
https://youtube.com/shorts/5s2-79yjPGI? ... sYbwt6nXoQ

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

This person on Twitter says that The Evil Queen's song is called "All is Fair":
https://x.com/rio_gomez_/status/1865066 ... s88DA&s=19

Don't know who they are so take it with a grain of salt.

However, We do know that The Evil Queen will have a song because Gal Gadot confirmed it in an interview:
https://youtube.com/shorts/5s2-79yjPGI? ... sYbwt6nXoQ

This user leaked the Lion King-parodied Lilo & Stitch trailer was coming with Mufasa, so I believe him.

[Disney Duster]

Hey, Divinity, sorry to go back to this, but my autism is hyper-focused on Cinderella. Just wondering, do you think Ever After is the only perfect version of that story, or all 4 you mentioned are? Also, if you do like Cinderella 2015's wedding dress, yay, because so do I!

[Disney's Divinity]

I suppose all four are close to perfect to me. 1950 Cinderella in 4K is beautiful, btw. It's a shame they don't have all the versions available that way.

[Thumper_93]

What I love avout Ever After is that it's a movie that could have happened in real life but at the same time it's a fairy tale. It's realistic. Even the part of the story with Leonardo could have happened.One of my favourite movies of all time.

[Disney Duster]

I suppose all four are close to perfect to me. 1950 Cinderella in 4K is beautiful, btw. It's a shame they don't have all the versions available that way.

I almost completely agree with this whole thing! I just find The Glass Slipper's heroine cutting her hair to be way too improbable (I think she would have never been allowed around town, or in a palace, if she wasn't sent to jail!), I don't like that Cinderella's beautiful gown is not her own, and if it must not be her own, borrowed from a character who's not her mother or godmother, and the ballet scenes I find awful distractions from the otherwise pretty good story. So I don't find that one even close to perfect at all. But yes, put all the great classics in the Japanese restoration team's hands!

What I love avout Ever After is that it's a movie that could have happened in real life but at the same time it's a fairy tale. It's realistic. Even the part of the story with Leonardo could have happened.One of my favourite movies of all time.

I almost completely agree! It just turns out King Francis was never married to a Marie, he summoned Leonardo Da Vinci to his court in 1516, three years before Henry was born, Da Vinci died in 1519, meaning just when Henry was born and well before the events of the film take place, and King Henry II was married to Catherine de' Medici at the age of 14, and had no known children with Diane de Poitiers, a French noblewoman of great influence and the historical figure most likely represented by Danielle. You may have known all of this already and just meant Leonardo living at all with the basis of Cinderella could have happened, or something, and in that case, I'm sorry, I am just a Cinderella info nut!

[Pokenonbinary]

I think the song is great, but the visuals are really bad specially Snow White hair

Looks like they hate Rachel in the hair department

My opinion is that the final result of the movie will be in line with Aladdin, a mediocre remake that is entertaining enough to see and enjoy

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't expect this remake to be as good as faithful remakes like Aladdin or B&tB, or even the over-faithful TLK for that matter, were. I expect it to be more around Maleficent and Cruella level at best, Alice level at worst (but without the box office to match)--in other words, a few good things like the music and Gadot, but weighed down by dumb changes like the Prince being Robin Hood and SW becoming a warrior.

And I expect its RottenTomatoes aggregate will be down in the 30% or lower with audiences. Audiences prefer the more faithful remakes regardless of how critics feel, and audiences are where the $$$ comes from, so...

@Duster: I think all 4 have some flaws (1950 has too much of the mice, TGS has the ballet stuff like you said, and R&H has the gaudiness of some designs/costumes and Brandy, but "more or less" close to perfect, ha.

I was watching the "Wonder" trailer, and I think now that the scene I love of Gadot on the stairs (with the women standing on each side of her in lines and the guards below) is probably where the Queen's song is going to be.

[Disney Duster]

@ Divinity, I guess you are pretty right about that, regarding being close to perfect.

Wait a minute, what is Ever After's flaw(s)?!