Wish

Farerb · Post by **Farerb** » Thu Nov 16, 2023 8:48 pm

Strange World was the only Disney Animation film to receive a B CinemaScore. I doubt Wish will receive the same score. In my opinion, it'll get an A. Critics might be tough on it, but I think this is exactly the kind of film Disney fans want.

Pokenonbinary · Post by **Pokenonbinary** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:55 am

Animated kids movies 99% of the time get A+ to A-

An A- is even considered bad for the type of movie

Isn't Strange World one of the lowest kids animated movies of all time, not just Disney?

Cinemascore works with the enjoyment of audiences, that's why we always see (in general) scores from A to B and rarely C or D, because audiences tend to be more positive than critics

Wish will get a A most likely and at worse a A-

I love the end credits song, my favorite

At all costs is great and This Wish reprise is better than the normal version, they're gonna end the movie with a "unite all the hearts" type of ending like in magical girls animes, and I love magical girl animes

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:05 am

“Knowing What I Know Now” is an entirely new kind of Disney song, huh? It’s a sort of angry, sort of righteous song. Like an anthem or protest. It’s a good song. The soundtrack overall has me a little more excited for the film. It here are enough songs I think are great and enough that are good.

I think my family is going to see Napoleon on Thanksgiving (love a historical epic), but I might see Wish opening weekend, too.

Musical Master · Post by **Musical Master** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 7:38 am

MoonMarc21 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 16, 2023 6:57 pm I LOVE "At All Costs"! Easily my favorite song in the whole movie! Almost made me cry because of how beautiful it sounds And Ariana DeBose and Chris Pine's singing top-notch!

Here's how I'd rank the songs, like all of them but love only one, you guys already know what it is:

1. At All Costs
2. This Wish
3. Knowing What I Know Now
4. A Wish Worth Making-I thought it would be a generic pop song but holy cow, I did not expect that it would be lovely ballad! A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one
5. This Wish (Reprise)-Like that it put some of the score in the song, really makes you feel the intensity of the situation and I also love when you feel a character's despair or rise to power in a reprise.
6. This Is The Thanks I Get?!-Like that it is different from what you'd think a villain song should sound like but if I rank all of the villain songs, this would be the lowest.
7. Welcome to Rosas-Very catchy but it's too short and it feels like it's only there for expositioning reasons.
8. I'm A Star- Like what the song's message is about but it sounds so cringey and there are so many words cluttered in one line. Seriously, why put shareholder, closure, exitetory in a Disney song, it sounds like "A Place Called Slaughter Race" witch I actually like because it's making fun of what's happening but here, it's supposed to be taken seriously. How I'm I supposed to do that with those words there?!

Now that the soundtrack is out and listening to the whole thing, but this time in the order it's in. I'm very impressed with what Julia Michaels and Benjamin Rice put together, considering that they've never wrote a Disney musical before. Julia's pop influence can certainly be heard in several of the songs, but I don't consider it a bad thing necessarily. Honestly, Julia and Benjamin are the best-case scenario Phil Collins where in comparison to him they actually wrote songs that are specific to the characters/moment, and they are sung by the actual characters.

My ranking of the songs looks like this at the moment, it may change when I see the movie.

1. "At All Costs"
2. "Knowing What I Know Now"
3. "This Wish"
4. "This Wish" (Reprise)
5. "I'm a Star"
6. "Welcome to Rosas"
7. "This Is The Thanks I Get"

Woodrow Pride · Post by **Woodrow Pride** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:26 am

I honestly really don’t like any of Wish’s music. I don’t know anything about Julia Michaels, but especially This Wish sounds like you got a 30-year-old millennial to listen to 80s music, then Lin-Manuel’s How Far I’ll go, then mix some sort of culture music into that, then try to be respectful and calm but fail miserably. The songs lack power in the melodies, harmonies, and even the orchestration (half-excluding This Wish Reprise). All of it sounds like high-budget ambient music that would play in a store.

I don’t understand why people enjoy At All Costs. It was really disappointing. It was just as powerless as the rest of the songs, maybe even more. I mean, out of everyone Disney could’ve possibly gotten to write the music for their 100th year anniversary, they chose a millennial??

I do have some hope for Wish, though. I think it’s really easy to make fun of the story when you’re not immersed in it. I feel like once you’re in the theater, Wish is going to unload its charm on you and you’ll barely notice the fact that it has no motion blur.

My ranking is:

1. This Wish (Reprise)

2. This is The Thanks I Get (Even though it’s a villain song with no minor-sounding parts, it has more of a melody than the rest.)

3. I’m A Star (Very anticlimactic, makes up words and is a tad too long, but it’s okay.)

4. This Wish (… they could really do better with the main song. It feels like they were trying to cram too many words into this song, not to mention the very shallow melody, seemingly forced alliterations and slant rhymes.)

5. Welcome to Rosas (Very shallow melody and very weak lyrics.)

6. At All Costs (The melody is very, very shallow and weak, but the lyrics are less mediocre than the other songs.)

7. A Wish Worth Making (Very terrible, has a very basic melody, but this is her specialty, so it sounds like she actually half-knew what she was doing.)

8. Knowing What I Know Now (This sounds like you got a soundtrack of the last world of a Mario game and added lyrics to it or failed to write a Once and For All (Newsies)-type song.)

I also have a huge problem with the animation (movement) of Wish. There’s this one supposedly “iconic” shot in This Wish where the camera is rotating around Asha as she sings, and she jerks robotically forward. That really ruined the moment. Disney could’ve really, really done better for their 100th anniversary.

Farerb · Post by **Farerb** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:43 am

53 on Metacritic:
https://www.metacritic.com/movie/wish/

Farerb · Post by **Farerb** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:52 am

Rotten Tomatoes:

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/wish_2023

I expect it to increase with more reviews coming in.

Pokenonbinary · Post by **Pokenonbinary** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:29 am

Not another critical flop

I mean honestly from what I read it's the same problems I have from the trailers, forgettable songs, bad animation, forgettable side characters (The Teens) and not a really original story (Easter eggs every 2 minutes)

I hope I like the movie because it's set in my country, but other than that I'm not really super interested in the movie

Mooky · Post by **Mooky** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:44 am

Many of the reviews iterate what I feared -- that the movie is more preoccupied with throwing fan service at audiences rather than providing them with a fresh, engaging story.

Tangled was another "big number" release that didn't rely on Easter eggs and actually was a lovely tribute to Disney's past done in a new style. Wish could have done something similar -- use the Disney 100 moniker and references to previous movies in advertising, but have this 100 year legacy be of no consequence to the plot.

reee9948 · Post by **reee9948** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am

Treasure planet received a 69 percent in rotten tomato and Atlantis 49 percent by the critics. Meanwhile Raya got around a 91 percent and Frozen 2 a 77 percent. I don't really trust the critic reasons for that reason because there are a lot of movies that I love that is hated by the critics. Like I don't understand why they would like Frozen 2 over Treasure Planet and Atlantis.

ElMaximo13 · Post by **ElMaximo13** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am

This review confirms that the movie has a storybook opening: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 49335.html

Farerb · Post by **Farerb** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:51 am

reee9948 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am Treasure planet received a 69 percent in rotten tomato and Atlantis 49 percent by the critics. Meanwhile Raya got around a 91 percent and Frozen 2 a 77 percent. I don't really trust the critic reasons for that reason because there are a lot of movies that I love that is hated by the critics. Like I don't understand why they would like Frozen 2 over Treasure Planet and Atlantis.

Critics had higher standards back then than they do now. Rotten Tomatoes added a lot of influencers and YouTubers. I posted it somewhere (but don't remember where) a graph that shows that RT scores have been getting higher than usual in recent years (since 2017 or 2018).

megustajake · Post by **megustajake** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:32 pm

Farerb wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:51 am
reee9948 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am Treasure planet received a 69 percent in rotten tomato and Atlantis 49 percent by the critics. Meanwhile Raya got around a 91 percent and Frozen 2 a 77 percent. I don't really trust the critic reasons for that reason because there are a lot of movies that I love that is hated by the critics. Like I don't understand why they would like Frozen 2 over Treasure Planet and Atlantis.
Critics had higher standards back then than they do now. Rotten Tomatoes added a lot of influencers and YouTubers. I posted it somewhere (but don't remember where) a graph that shows that RT scores have been getting higher than usual in recent years (since 2017 or 2018).

Yeah, almost everything is “fresh” these days. Mixed or soft negative reviews are often counted as positive, too. I still use it as a barometer but it’s not as useful as it used to be.

I feel like critics are finally pushing Disney to be better. Even if Wish is cute and serviceable, they are capable of more - especially when other animation studios are achieving better results with less resources.

DisneyFan09 · Post by **DisneyFan09** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:40 pm

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am This review confirms that the movie has a storybook opening: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 49335.html

A storybook opening? Wow! We haven`t had one since Enchanted and we all know that it was meant to be a loving Disney spoof. Even Tangled was supposed to have one, until it didn`t...

Mooky · Post by **Mooky** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:42 pm

ElMaximo13 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 11:45 am This review confirms that the movie has a storybook opening: https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-ente ... 49335.html

Why exactly? It's an original story with fairytale elements, not based on a pre-existing material.

Should have opened with a little cartoon of Jennifer Lee watching that DVD boxset of Disney classics and picking which ones to reference.

D23ExpoVisitor25 · Post by **D23ExpoVisitor25** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 3:30 pm

Well shockingly despite the insider sources saying it was genuinely solid, it seems that Walt Disney Animation Studios’ #Wish is barely fresh on Rotten Tomatoes with a 63% rating based on 48 reviews so far, with many critics saying that while the villain’s great, the story comes off a bit too… derivative, which is kind of a weird complaint given that it’s supposed to be a way of honoring 100 years of Disney’s storytelling, but I guess #OnceUponAStudio did it better.

Oh well.

I’m not gonna cry about it.

At least I got #OnceUponAStudio to give me more hand-drawn animation back at Disney and the return of #WinnieThePooh with Jim Cummings back to voice him, which was my favorite part of that 9-minute short film.

And if #OnceUponAStudio does end up as the winner for Best Animated Short at next year’s Oscars, that may still give me hope that Iger’ll allow the upcoming Walt Disney Animation Studios Disney+ #ThePrincessAndTheFrog sequel series #Tiana to be hand-drawn animated, along with maybe allowing the two directors of #OnceUponAStudio, hand-drawn Disney animator Eric Goldberg, and Disney music legend Richard Sherman to work on #TheSearchForMickeyMouse with that film potentially going back into and/or restarting production so it can come out in Holiday 2028 for the 100th birthday of one #MickeyMouse.

Walt Disney taught us the one lesson which is that we have to move on from the past and just keep moving forward, a lesson that Lewis, the main character of #MeetTheRobinsons, had to learn by letting go of looking for his mom and finding his own family to save the future that he would eventually help create.

And that’s what I’m going to do.

“Keep Moving Forward.”

Rather than despair at the now likely failure of #Wish, I’m gonna enjoy it, savor it, then move on to ensure I put all my energy into making sure #OnceUponAStudio wins Best Animated Short at the Oscars so hand-drawn animation continues its slow but eventual comeback to Disney, starting w/ #Tiana next year & leading into #TheSearchForMickeyMouse in Q4 2028.

reee9948 · Post by **reee9948** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 4:35 pm

Hunger game got a 60 percent by critics and 91 percent by the audience. Marvles got a 62 percent by critics and 84 percents by audence. Fnaf got a 30 percent by critics and 87 percent by audience. I'm assuming that Wish will recieve a similar audience score when it comes out.

megustajake · Post by **megustajake** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:16 pm

Most reviews are praising the visuals - if anything, there seems to be a growing campaign to bring back 2D.

Disney hasn't ever been the same since for me since they abandoned traditional animation. Given the advent of AI, when most studios will be looking to cut costs (and jobs), Disney could afford to take a creative risk and bring back the art form only possible with human hands.

I'll admit the reviews for "Wish" are a bit of a bummer — despite the lackluster teaser and bland songs, I was still holding out hope it would surprise me. I see the movie tomorrow and will keep an open mind, but even the positive reviews aren't exactly glowing.

megustajake · Post by **megustajake** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:38 pm

If you look at Metacritic, the highest rating is 75/100. That's pretty bland.

https://www.metacritic.com/movie/wish/

reee9948 · Post by **reee9948** » Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:34 pm

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