Wish

[Pokenonbinary]

Yeah except Colombia is real? I don’t get that comparison.

I still think it boils down to the same thing. Sure Wish appears to be more specific in terms of the cultures/ time period it is referencing than Raya or example, but it’s still a big mix. The Iberian peninsula has been home to many kingdoms, cultures and peoples. It’s so abstract you can see in it whatever you want.

For me that’s fine. But apparently nothing can exist out of the realm of this woke debate. That’s all I’m saying. I just see a cute, albeit lazily designed, princess. Others refer to her as African American because black = woke.

Whatever man.

The kingdom of rosas is an island next to the iberian peninsula (basically a fake Mallorca or whatever) Kumandra wasn't set in our planet or reality.

Instead of doing the movie in the iberian peninsula they did it in a fake island nation because this way they don't have to deal with the politics of the al andalus (a very difficult time period)

[Thumper_93]

I'm spaniard so inform yourself before talk. Spaniards doesn't look like Asha. Even her hairstyle is not common on Spain so I don't know what are you talking about. Asha IS another afro american character dressed with an invented gown made to have another black princess. She doesn't look spaniard, she doesn't look arabian and she doesn't have any inspiration on the Al Andalus period so please, make yourself a favor and investigate more. She is a missed chance of an interracial princesa with a beautfiul mix of cultures. This "new country" that they created should have been inspired in Toledo where 4 cultures lived together for a long time.

Black spaniards exist and existed, I never said all spaniards are black or biracial, the movie literally shows that Rosas is a very diverse island with all kinds of people (even east asian people, like in real life where it is documented that a small number of east asian people migrated to Spain during that time)

You talking about her hairstyle is just antiblack, and she's not african american,

Dejar de llamar afroamericanos a todos los negros (y mulatos) que veis, por dios ignorantes

When do you guys think the next trailer will come out? Some say it will come out when Haunted Mansion is released and they will play the trailer in theater.

I think the full trailer is coming this week, maybe even tomorrow, the Marvels trailer came out by surprise without any promo

In Spain black people are not as common as people from south América and people from Moroc. You said that Asha's hair is common in Spain and that's a lie. You can find people with this hairstyle? Yes but it's not usual. Asha doesn't represent spanish culture because she doesn't have anything that is inspired in spanish's traditions.
It's ok if you love the character but please don't say that she looks spaniard when she doesn't.
She looks more like a Barbie fashionista than an ficitional historical character.

[Farerb]

Asha's hairstyle reminds me of these:













Albeit it's longer, and I know her braids on her left side aren't cut but are taken to the back, it seems to me that this is sort of the effect they were aiming for.

[Thumper_93]

I agree with that. Asha's hair is very actual while her mother's hair is historical accurate and looks more like an European style

[Sotiris]

Asha's hairstyle reminds me of these:

I guess the trend has to do with the particular hairstyle becoming associated with feminist, empowered female characters or messaging. I agree that it's being overused in animation. Giving braids to Black female characters is also overused, in my opinion. It's like these characters are not allowed to have any other type of hairstyle anymore because that would not be considered "authentic" or "Black" enough.

[Pokenonbinary]

In Spain black people are not as common as people from south América and people from Moroc. You said that Asha's hair is common in Spain and that's a lie. You can find people with this hairstyle? Yes but it's not usual. Asha doesn't represent spanish culture because she doesn't have anything that is inspired in spanish's traditions. It's ok if you love the character but please don't say that she looks spaniard when she doesn't. She looks more like a Barbie fashionista than an ficitional historical character.

Girl... I knew Asha would be iberian since the D23 announcement in September of 2022, her clothes are very local, she even wears a mantillo in a 2D drawing showed in the last page of this forum.

I never said braids are typical from spain, they're typical from black people around the world, that includes spain, a country with black history you like it or not (literally Guinea Ecuatorial and the Western Sahara were part of Spain until 1970)

And even if braids are not "typical" of Spain they made her caracolillos that are common in flamenco culture, yes in African American culture they are called "baby hairs" but it is documented that they were created many many years before in Spain, so her baby hairs are spanish culture.

Saying she looks like a Barbie Fashionista is ANTIBLACK, braids and other protective afro hair styles are not NEW things, they exist since the beggining of afro-texture hair, they exist to protect their hair apart from cultural legacy.

[Thumper_93]

First of all I'm not a girl so don't calle me like that.
Saying that this character looks like a Barbie fashionista is not antiblack so I'm not going to let you say this about me. She looks like a Barbie because she doesn't look like a historical character. She looks like a modern character with a random clothes, like a Barbie doll from the dreamtopia line.
The second part is that Asha is not wearing a mantón de Manila or a Mantillo as you said. What she's wearing is a simple shawl. A Mantillo has a different shape and has long fringes.
She also doesn't have babyhair. The hair that you see on her os the one that is growing new. It doesn't have anything to do with the typical hair that people wear when they dress Up with Gitana's or flamenco's gown. You can search in Google photos about this hairsyle by yourself and see that It doesn't have anything in common with Asha.
About the clothes she doesn't wear anything typical from here.
I'm not going to discuss more with you about It because It seems that you don't know anything about spanish culture even when you say that you are spanish.
Asha is a new black character and they get inspired in spain when they created her country but this princess doesn't represent anything from the spanish culture or their people so please, don't deffend what can not be deffended

[Pokenonbinary]

First of all I'm not a girl so don't calle me like that.
Saying that this character looks like a Barbie fashionista is not antiblack so I'm not going to let you say this about me. She looks like a Barbie because she doesn't look like a historical character. She looks like a modern character with a random clothes, like a Barbie doll from the dreamtopia line.
The second part is that Asha is not wearing a mantón de Manila or a Mantillo as you said. What she's wearing is a simple shawl. A Mantillo has a different shape and has long fringes.
She also doesn't have babyhair. The hair that you see on her os the one that is growing new. It doesn't have anything to do with the typical hair that people wear when they dress Up with Gitana's or flamenco's gown. You can search in Google photos about this hairsyle by yourself and see that It doesn't have anything in common with Asha.
About the clothes she doesn't wear anything typical from here.
I'm not going to discuss more with you about It because It seems that you don't know anything about spanish culture even when you say that you are spanish.
Asha is a new black character and they get inspired in spain when they created her country but this princess doesn't represent anything from the spanish culture or their people so please, don't deffend what can not be deffended

You're 29 but you behave like a 12 yo.

Girl the same way as "bro" is used as a gender neutral thing in social media, I'm non binary myself so I wasn't missgendering you.

Asha has baby hairs, you can see that in the 2D drawings of her, she wears them very flamenco style in the book cover.

Her mantillo looks spanish to me and her clothes look culturally correct for that time period, you just want to hate the fact that Disney made the spanish princess half black.

The Iberian peninsula in all time periods has had black people, it is well documented, its not a fairy tale that black people existed before the 90s like you and many people tend to believe.

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Anyways where do you guys think that trailer will come out? It has to be this week, what other movie is coming out they can do it? Blue Beetle I doubt since it's totally different target audiences


Edit:

In this artwork her baby hairs look very "caracolillo" from flamenco style
https://images.app.goo.gl/pt6WfKZS6HvFqpoB9

[Farerb]

If you start watching a "Princess" movie once a week starting this week, then you should finish a week before Wish premieres. I might try to do this but I don't think I can sit through Brave, Frozen, Frozen II, Raya and The Last Dragon and Encanto again.

[Thumper_93]

First of all I'm not a girl so don't calle me like that.
Saying that this character looks like a Barbie fashionista is not antiblack so I'm not going to let you say this about me. She looks like a Barbie because she doesn't look like a historical character. She looks like a modern character with a random clothes, like a Barbie doll from the dreamtopia line.
The second part is that Asha is not wearing a mantón de Manila or a Mantillo as you said. What she's wearing is a simple shawl. A Mantillo has a different shape and has long fringes.
She also doesn't have babyhair. The hair that you see on her os the one that is growing new. It doesn't have anything to do with the typical hair that people wear when they dress Up with Gitana's or flamenco's gown. You can search in Google photos about this hairsyle by yourself and see that It doesn't have anything in common with Asha.
About the clothes she doesn't wear anything typical from here.
I'm not going to discuss more with you about It because It seems that you don't know anything about spanish culture even when you say that you are spanish.
Asha is a new black character and they get inspired in spain when they created her country but this princess doesn't represent anything from the spanish culture or their people so please, don't deffend what can not be deffended

You're 29 but you behave like a 12 yo.

Girl the same way as "bro" is used as a gender neutral thing in social media, I'm non binary myself so I wasn't missgendering you.

Asha has baby hairs, you can see that in the 2D drawings of her, she wears them very flamenco style in the book cover.

Her mantillo looks spanish to me and her clothes look culturally correct for that time period, you just want to hate the fact that Disney made the spanish princess half black.

The Iberian peninsula in all time periods has had black people, it is well documented, its not a fairy tale that black people existed before the 90s like you and many people tend to believe.

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Anyways where do you guys think that trailer will come out? It has to be this week, what other movie is coming out they can do it? Blue Beetle I doubt since it's totally different target audiences


Edit:

In this artwork her baby hairs look very "caracolillo" from flamenco style
https://images.app.goo.gl/pt6WfKZS6HvFqpoB9

The only one Who acts like a 12 old is you. O don't have anything esle to discuss with you. Talk me again when you learn how know to identify an spanish mantón

[reee9948]

What do you guys think the box office for Wish will be? A lot of people on reddit are low balling this movie saying it will make the same amount of money as Elemental.

[Sotiris]

@Pokenonbinary: I realize you're new here, but on this forum we have strict rules against personal attacks. If you haven't read our Rules & Guidelines, I urge you to do so. Calling a fellow member names including any -ist or -phobe pejoratives is not tolerated here. You need to express your viewpoint in a respectful and civil manner.

[Pokenonbinary]

@Pokenonbinary: I realize you're new here, but on this forum we have strict rules against personal attacks. If you haven't read our Rules & Guidelines, I urge you to do so. Calling a fellow member names including any -ist or -phobe pejoratives is not tolerated here. You need to express your viewpoint in a respectful and civil manner.

I wouldn't call anybody any -ism if they don't express that type of opression, the user above is openly angry that the spaniard princess is half black.

Spain is having a big number of people voting the fascist party Vox, so far right movements are very high and "popular" in the country right now sadly, back in April a lot of spaniards talked about Asha being a "immigrant" because she wasn't white and didn't looked spanish

[Sotiris]

I wouldn't call anybody any -ism if they don't express that type of opression, the user above is openly angry that the spaniard princess is half black.

Spain is having a big number of people voting the fascist party Vox, so far right movements are very high and "popular" in the country right now sadly, back in April a lot of spaniards talked about Asha being a "immigrant" because she wasn't white and didn't looked spanish.

Regardless if you consider the name-calling justified and your cause righteous, you cannot resort to personal attacks against other members. Rules are rules and are applied to everyone equally. This is not up for debate.

[Thumper_93]

What do you guys think the box office for Wish will be? A lot of people on reddit are low balling this movie saying it will make the same amount of money as Elemental.

I think that is going to make good numbers. A princess movie is always accepted by the audience and it's going to be the 100th anniversary movie so they can use that as a factor to attract more audience

[reee9948]

Low chance that the movie will be delayed based on the tweet.

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[Pokenonbinary]

Low chance that the movie will be delayed based on the tweet.
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In what part of that tweet does he imply the movie will get delayed? He's literally happy about the movie

Edit:

Oh wait I misunderstood your message, sorry xd

[Thumper_93]

They can't delay the movie too much. They had a bad year and they need to earn more money. Dealy the movie means delay the merchandise too and Lost the Christmas season.

[Musical Master]

I'm holding on to the hope that the movie doesn't get delayed, animated films doesn't have to use the cast to promote it. They can get very creative with the marketing if they wanted to, after all it is Disney's 100th anniversary.

[reee9948]

This animator hasn't heard anybody talking about the movie being delay. Of course that is up to the executives, but if people around him aren't talking about it, then it's a good sign that the movie won't be delayed.

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