Wish

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I thought I possibly could enjoy this until I saw DeBose’s “new kind of heroine”/anti princess interview.

She never said she’s not a princess, dude. Only that she’s a new heroine. Get your facts straight.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

Here’s the interview that Ariana DeBose did this morning on Good Morning America on ABC, the one that I think CarolinaKid is referring to: https://youtu.be/S6ogsKjnybE.

Now all of you watch it and you tell me if you agree with CarolinaKid’s feelings or if you think he’s not entirely true since I don’t remember Ariana saying Asha is anti-princess, only that she’s her own character, a new type of heroine, and a firy, spirited, independent character.

[Farerb]

I wouldn’t be surprised at all if they used that style to cover the fact that they didn’t have enough time to make the movie. I mean, they started the movie in January of 2022, it’s been just a little over a year.

Remind me how we know this?

Lee has a writing project of her own, though she won’t divulge any details about it.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movie ... 235076391/

[Mooky]

Disney fans waste no time in spotting easter egss! While some of these are obviously a stretch and it's way too soon to actually know if any of them are actual references, it's still a fun little video to see:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrjSHErM ... MyMTA2M2Y=

[Disney's Divinity]

I keep re-watching because it looks so good! Asha is just gorgeous. There are two shots near the end that are especially nice, I wish I was able to screen grab like other people. One shot is of Asha sort of in the center of the frame with Valentino on her shoulder and a ball of light behind her. The other is almost the last shot of her (from a side profile); the details to the hair are so fine, it looks very, very pretty.

[DisneyFan09]

As for Asha having a mother, I`m glad that she`s going to have one (due to the previous scrutiny of Disney Princesses lacking mothers). But I`ll wonder if Asha is going to have a single parent, as opposed to two parents (as both Rapunzel and Moana had both parents alive).

That would be interesting. It would be the opposite of what used to happen in the '90s. If I'm not mistaken, it would be the first time a female Disney protagonist only has a mother. Well, Tiana is the closest example of that, but both of her parents are alive at the beginning of the movie.

True. As much as I love the Renaissance, it became a worn-out trope to have a single father with a Princess/heroine (too bad they didn`t broke that staple with Pocahontas, as Michael Eisner actually wanted to give her a mother. As her mother is referenced in more ways than one and it`s stated that Pocahontas actually knew her). Despite how Hunchback and Hercules surprisingly enough broke that staple and didn`t have any parent for their heroines (but Mulan and Tarzan introduced the trope back, despite how Mulan had a mother as well). You`ve right about Tiana, but her father is still more pivotal to her story than her mother. In fact, The Princess and the Frog has a lot in common with Quest for Camelot in that regard: To have a heroine with a mother, but having her relationship to her father being the crucial relationship.

I bet Prince Kido is also right the woman on the right is Asha's mom. Especially, given that she's holding Valentino in her arms. Maybe it's true Asha only has a mother since her father doesn't seem to appear in the image.

You know what? The same thing struck me as well! That she could`ve been Asha`s mother. But at least it would break the Revival trope of having a young and slim mother.

Disney fans waste no time in spotting easter egss! While some of these are obviously a stretch and it's way too soon to actually know if any of them are actual references, it's still a fun little video to see:

Sorry to nitpick, but those shots are more references than actual Easter Eggs. But sure, we know how Disney fanboys can be (*cough, Frozen theory, cough*) and make references out of scenes which they consider to be references.

Something that I`ve wondered about watching the teaser again: I wonder who`s the mysterious rider with the horse at the end of the trailer. Her mysterious love interest?

[robster16]

Something that I`ve wondered about watching the teaser again: I wonder who`s the mysterious rider with the horse at the end of the trailer. Her mysterious love interest?

I think the rider at the end is actually King Magnifico, you can see the design on the shoulders of the cape and it matches with other shots of the king in the trailer! The horse design reminded me a bit of Maximus from that angle...

[D82]

Disney fans waste no time in spotting easter egss! While some of these are obviously a stretch and it's way too soon to actually know if any of them are actual references, it's still a fun little video to see:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrjSHErM ... MyMTA2M2Y=

Thanks for posting! It was indeed a fun little video. I think some of them are definitely references and that fan got them right like the Belle one with the dandelion or the Pocahontas one with the butterflies. And I believe the first shot may actually be a tribute to the similar one in Pinocchio. Star bringing those flowers to life reminds me more of Fantasia, as does the teaser poster and the logo. And there are other things that make me think of Snow White apart from the well, like some of the columns or the scientific/magical instruments the villain has in his palace, which are similar to the ones the Evil Queen has.

I wonder if the references to past Disney movies will be mainly like these ones instead of cameos. I don't know if I like this either, though. In my opinion, it suits more a movie like Enchanted than this one. I would've preferred they just focused on making a good movie to celebrate the 100th anniversary instead of details like this. Or that they had made it totally in hand-drawn animation. Anyway, it can be good and also have Easter eggs or cameos. I hope that's the case.

I keep re-watching because it looks so good! Asha is just gorgeous. There are two shots near the end that are especially nice, I wish I was able to screen grab like other people. One shot is of Asha sort of in the center of the frame with Valentino on her shoulder and a ball of light behind her. The other is almost the last shot of her (from a side profile); the details to the hair are so fine, it looks very, very pretty.

Is the first you mention the one below? As for the second, I think it was posted by Woodrow Pride here.


Source: https://twitter.com/mmdisney200/status/ ... 3719228418

True. As much as I love the Renaissance, it became a worn-out trope to have a single father with a Princess/heroine (too bad they didn`t broke that staple with Pocahontas, as Michael Eisner actually wanted to give her a mother. As her mother is referenced in more ways than one and it`s stated that Pocahontas actually knew her). Despite how Hunchback and Hercules surprisingly enough broke that staple and didn`t have any parent for their heroines (but Mulan and Tarzan introduced the trope back, despite how Mulan had a mother as well). You`ve right about Tiana, but her father is still more pivotal to her story than her mother. In fact, The Princess and the Frog has a lot in common with Quest for Camelot in that regard: To have a heroine with a mother, but having her relationship to her father being the crucial relationship.

Well, in the case of Esmeralda and Megara I think it's not strange their parents aren't shown since they aren't the main characters. It doesn't necessarily mean they're orphan. We don't know anything about the parents of male characters who aren't protagonists like John Smith or Phoebus either. But I agree about everything else you said.

You know what? The same thing struck me as well! That she could`ve been Asha`s mother. But at least it would break the Revival trope of having a young and slim mother.

Yes, she looks a bit different than other recent mothers. It's also interesting she's dressed in purple like her daughter.

I think the rider at the end is actually King Magnifico, you can see the design on the shoulders of the cape and it matches with other shots of the king in the trailer! The horse design reminded me a bit of Maximus from that angle...

Yes, it's definitely King Magnifico. I wonder if he's discovering Asha has a magical star in that shot.

[Disney's Divinity]

Is the first you mention the one below? As for the second, I think it was posted by Woodrow Pride here.


Source: https://twitter.com/mmdisney200/status/ ... 3719228418

Yes, that's it! Thank you.

[D82]

^You're welcome.

By the way, I've just noticed a Disney animator called Taylor Gessler retweeted Prince Kido's discovery, which might be a confirmation he was right about the seven dwarfs reference.

[DisneyFan09]

Well, in the case of Esmeralda and Megara I think it's not strange their parents aren't shown since they aren't the main characters. It doesn't necessarily mean they're orphan. We don't know anything about the parents of male characters who aren't protagonists like John Smith or Phoebus either. But I agree about everything else you said.

True, but remember that Jasmine wasn`t the main character in her movie either. So Esmeralda and Megara could`ve been given fathers, too

[D82]

The movie will have the subtitle "Asha and the Lucky Star" in France.

True, but remember that Jasmine wasn`t the main character in her movie either. So Esmeralda and Megara could`ve been given fathers, too

Yes, it's true they count if we're talking about Disney heroines in general, not just the ones that are lead characters in their movies. I was just saying that I don't find it that surprising these two weren't given parents since the story doesn't center mainly around them. In the case of Jasmine, though, her being the Sultan's daughter is an important element in the movie.

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

You know what?

I just wanna say something quickly.

I really hope Walt Disney Animation Studios succeeds in launching an animated film w/ a new animation style that hits at the box office with #Wish. I already see people whine & bitch about “TV animation,” “filtered #Frozen,” and “AI-animated.”

I find these very insulting to the animators workin’ their life, heart, sweat, blood, tears, and asses off to make #Wish the movie that #Tangled would have been if it had not been for disgraced monster John Lassetter.

It’s not their fault that John Lassetter ruling over Walt Disney Animation Studios before the #MeToo movement forced him out is why it took so long for Disney to make a movie with the Hyperion software, the same software that was used on Disney’s Oscar-winning animated short that inspired #Wish’s animation style in #Paperman.

All these various complaints & crap are why Disney may continue being more hesitant to take creative risks and might fire Jennifer Lee (the one and only person at Walt Disney Animation Studios tryin’ to get hand draw animated future stories back on the big screen and on #DisneyPlus for you guys) from her job as she’s tryin’ to help move Disney Animation away from the Lassetter era. And I can’t have that happening as the future #Tiana series being hand-drawn depends on Lee (and Disney legend Eric Goldberg too).

So, if I may give some stern words of warning, quit complaining and passing judgement so pre-emptively, put your money where your mouth is, and believe in this film to be something unique & special for Disney to do for their centennial 100th Anniversary (#Disney100) celebration (since they’re already proving they’re going back to special stories by way of returning to a traditional, non-third-act-plot-twist Disney villain in Chris Pine as King Magnifico), and get back to work or you’ll realize what happens when your failures keep causing more things you don’t wanna see happen since, as I always tell you, #ActionsHaveConsequences.

Or to quote Benson from Cartoon Network’s Regular Show when he gets angry at Mordecai & Rigby, ”get back to work or YOU’RE FIRED.”

[rodrigo_ca]

Is it me or the animation looks... choppy? I'm very bad at noticing details like this so I don't know what to think of this one.

By the way, in Brazil it also has a subtitle Wish: The Power of Wishes

[Farerb]

I honestly didn't expect this teaser to get such mixed reactions from people. I know that there have been conversations about MCU fatigue, but what if people are experiencing Disney fatigue overall?

[Farerb]

The background characters here look disastrous:

[D23ExpoVisitor25]

I honestly didn't expect this teaser to get such mixed reactions from people. I know that there have been conversations about MCU fatigue, but what if people are experiencing Disney fatigue overall?

I don’t think there’s MCU fatigue or Disney fatigue, just mediocre storytelling fatigue.

[carolinakid]

Perhaps woke fatigue??

Even if I were into this “new kind of heroine/she’s her own hero saving her community” crap, having watched the trailer several times I was thinking, “Haven’t I seen this story/type of plot before? Over and over?”

I was definitely underwhelmed.

And I loved De Bose in West Side Story.

The song was unmemorable, although I was grateful De Bose didn’t resort to that annoying melisma that the faux Little Mermaid uses. At least not during the bit that I heard.

[Farerb]

Disney fans waste no time in spotting easter egss! While some of these are obviously a stretch and it's way too soon to actually know if any of them are actual references, it's still a fun little video to see:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CrjSHErM ... MyMTA2M2Y=

First shot is more Pinocchio than Cinderella.

[Disney's Divinity]

The movie will have the subtitle "Asha and the Lucky Star" in France.

I think that or simply "The Lucky Star" is a better subtitle overseas than the "Kingdom of Wishes" would be. You know, I was thinking earlier yesterday how funny it would be if the star's name is THE Stah. I think they may be trying to make it work like Tinker Bell, and how she would leave magic dust below as she flies around, deliberately as another reference. If this film is a hit, I could imagine the star becoming part of Disney's logos and intro pieces in place of Tinker Bell.

I don't think there's fatigue. I think there's simply a bull's-eye on Disney these days from outside sources, which means there will be more criticism of everything really.

I love the poster, too, btw. Something about the image reminds me of Kingdom Hearts--the final scene of the first game when all the destroyed worlds are being restored and the sky is covered with meteors (the worlds being put back in their spots in the sky). With Raya and this both having conceits that feel very KH-esque, it's hard for me to see it as a coincidence; I think it's caused by WDAS and PIXAR having been involved by Lasseter in the making of Kingdom Hearts 3 because of his micromanaging (needlessly, but whatever), I think that put the series on the animators' radar and gave them inspiration because of it. On top of the poster and the crossover aspect, King Magnifico being a wolf in sheep's clothing may be inspired by the first Kingdom Hearts as well--Ansem in that game (before being re-written later in the series anyway) was a leader who was believed to be good before being revealed to be a villain who betrayed his people by using them for experiments (in pursuit of curiosity / power) and causing an apocalypse of sorts.