Pixar's Onward

[Disney Duster]

Me neither. It was sophisticated and clever. Several good payoffs. (probably thanks to the setting and the way some characters are written?) I'm glad you enjoyed the movie and had a good time.

This is one of Pixar's best efforts

That might be the truth.. at least regarding the recent years.

(What a crappy promotion though. Yet this way you really get to appreciate the movie for how good it is while discovering it. I'm unsure what's the best)

Yes, I agree it is sophisticated and clever, and agree about why the film had great payoffs, though I try not to think of movies having payoffs, but naturally embuing me with feelings. I liked reading your review and am also glad you enjoyed it. The marketing for this film wasn't very good, but maybe it couldn't be helped without giving too much away.

Yes, you may be right about how this came from the Dinosaurs concept.

Yes, Clindor and farerb, in my opinion this is not paint by the numbers.

In fact this brings me to farerb, what did you predict, and find paint by numbers? Please put them in spoilers.

Estefan, I agree about Pixar's house, and you didn't say it, but also heart, and humor, style, and if Pixar would make more films like this that would be great.

YES rodrigo_ca and blackcauldron85!!!! And the Simpsons short was so great, so wholesome!

UmrellaFish, yes you do see the mother on the climax.

About the gay character, when she said girlfriend I thought she meant she had a friend who was another woman that had a kid. Otherwise, wouldn't she have said "my kid" if they were together?

[Sotiris]

About the gay character, when she said girlfriend I thought she meant she had a friend who was another woman that had a kid.

I think they had her say "girlfriend" instead of "wife" on purpose to leave it ambiguous.

[Farerb]

I don't need to put it in spoilers. It's another buddy comedy road trip movie with two opposing characters. How is it not "paint by the numbers" by now?

[Disney Duster]

Oh, yes maybe Sotiris.

Farerb, if a genre/type of film, heck, even a premise, is paint by numbers, that's not counting what really makes a film good. And did you really predict how the end was going to go down?

[Farerb]

Oh, yes maybe Sotiris.

Farerb, if a genre/type of film, heck, even a premise, is paint by numbers, that's not counting what really makes a film good. And did you really predict how the end was going to go down?

1. I didn't say the film wasn't good. A film can be good even if it's paint by the numbers. And yes, using the same formula over and over makes it a paint by the numbers.
Paint by the numbers means something that lacks originality. But maybe we have different definition to that term.
Also it's funny how this criticism is used to almost every Pixar or Revival film until it is a film one really really likes.
2. It was pretty obvious that they would spend something like a minute with their dad cause it's still Pixar and Pixar likes to make people cry, it was even more obvious when Ian started crossing things off his list. When he had his "Barley flashbacks", it was more obvious that he would give up his time for Barley's. It's fine, I like that there's some sacrifice, unlike a recent WDAS film.

I don't really like my opinion being antagonized here to the point where it comes across that I'm negative about the film. I liked it. I thought it was good. I'm just not going to pretend as if Pixar made the next "Beauty and the Beast" or the next "WALL-E" or even "Frozen".

[Disney Duster]

A film is paint by numbers only if most of it is paint by numbers. It was only paint by numbers in genre.

Also, I have never used the formula criticism, if you were thinking I did.

But I am not trying to antagonize you. I am trying to find out more about your opinion because I am curious about it. You revealed what I wanted to know, so thank you. I wonder if lots of critics predict things because they purposely try to and ruin the movie for themselves that way.

[Farerb]

Unlike others, I usually think the RT score is mostly on point and 86 is fitting for this film IMO.

[Disney Duster]

I go by MRQE, because that doesn't just go by how many reviewers found a movie good, but an average of how good reviewers found the movie. I was surprised to find out that, so far, Onward has only a 65! But in comparison, the original Disney Beauty and the Beast has an 82, and Titanic has an 85. Personally, I would give those last two films 100's, and Onward a 93.

[Farerb]

What films got a 100 score?
Beauty and the Beast and Titanic should be calculated differently cause back then reviews weren't that much online. So I always take the reviews of older films with a grain of salt. Even on RT.

[Disney Duster]

Unfortunately I do not know how to search for films with scores of 100. It could be that no film ever reached a 100. Meanwhile, on Rotten Tomatoes, Pinocchio got a 100, which sounds about right, since that film is amazing, and yet, I personally think it's more 97 myself. And on MRQE, Pinocchio has a 68! I found that surprising, but wasn't the film not reviewed that well when it first came out? But Snow White was, and that film got a 90 on MRQE! So that makes sense. About the lack of online reviews, I think the Movie Review Query Engine finds copies of old, newspaper or other print forms of reviews that have been put online, so even films that never had online reviews before have reviews that were published in paper put online.

[blackcauldron85]

About the gay character, when she said girlfriend I thought she meant she had a friend who was another woman that had a kid.

I think they had her say "girlfriend" instead of "wife" on purpose to leave it ambiguous.

Well, Colt wouldn't call Ian + Barley his kids- they're his girlfriend's kids- same with the cyclops cop. I took it as she's not married yet. BUT, Disney Duster, your take is interesting, because the film literally got banned and/or censored in some countries for this line, so the censors didn't see it your way.

*edit* I did want to add, if it matters, that I didn't "ugly cry;" I agree with farerb that the emotions are organic; the tears were smaller, mixed with smiles, really, but the movie has several poignant moments.

[Clindor]

2. It was pretty obvious that they would spend something like a minute with their dad cause it's still Pixar and Pixar likes to make people cry, it was even more obvious when Ian started crossing things off his list. When he had his "Barley flashbacks", it was more obvious that he would give up his time for Barley's.

Indeed and because that is the obvious statement the trailers wanted you to know, or said in another words, to feel, to speculate. They wanted you to have that one exclusive guess. What you couldn't know is that only BARLEY would get to meet his father one extra last time (the only son who already met him during his childhood) and NOT Ian at all (sticking close to the Disney formula making clear that once a parent is dead, he/she remains dead). Of course one can smartly consider this film would have good taste enough to build a world where death DOES mean something.. but only comes with the assumption that this could be a great film.. which is something that seemingly everybody apologetically doubted around here at least.

This feels fresh by tricking you to think this isn't going to have the same gravity than other productions.. yet totally giving up to it thanks to a rather astute writing, and somehow remaining to the Studios standards with a different way to tell the story. (So yeah, personally, I'm not totally convinced by the "Paint by the numbers" argument either ) at least as far as I'm concerned.

[Disney Duster]

Of course blackcauldron85, you are right, and I had considered the line taken that way once I heard which character was supposed to be gay, but I had no idea it was her till I read about her!

Clindor, I so agree, but I do think farerb said he did predict it would be Barley who gets to see his dad because Ian gave his time to him. I can't believe he predicted that, but hey, it happened.

[Farerb]

https://thedisinsider.com/2020/03/08/pi ... estically/

[Avaitor]

It's really nice to see the positive reviews on here! I have to admit that I wasn't expecting much from this one myself, but I'll have to make sure that I have time to catch it now.

It's honestly been a while since I've really liked a Pixar movie. I was really into Incredibles 2 at first, but in hindsight, it comes off as too little, too late. I also just don't have much use for Toy Story 4, even as much as I love the first 3, and find Coco rather overrated. Let's hope this fixes Pixar's streak for me.

[blackcauldron85]

I don't think this was posted? It's a nice little Q+A w/ the filmmakers:

https://www.fandom.com/articles/onward- ... on-remakes

[DisneyFan97]

I REALLY LIKED the movie !

My favorite was Barley he was sooo cute and likeable and his character design was far more a+ppealing than Ian's in my eyes also the driver remind me very much of Roz !

Is it Bob Peterson voiceing her ?

Also the swedish dubb was really good and the movie hade SUCH A BIG HEART It was sooo wonderful

Barley might be a new comfort character for me.

The shop keeper was great as was the Faries and The manticore was also GREAT !

8 out of 10 !

[blackcauldron85]

also the driver remind me very much of Roz !

Is it Bob Peterson voiceing her ?

Lol, at that part, my husband leaned over and said "Mike Wazowski!" It did sound like Roz. IMDB doesn't have too many voice actors listed for this movie, so I'm not sure...

[Disney Duster]

Who is "the driver"? Who is "Roz"?

[DisneyFan97]

Who is "the driver"? Who is "Roz"?

Ian's driving instructor and the school bus driver, I,m not sure if they are supposed to be the same character or not ?