Looney Tunes

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:03 pm

jabroni76 wrote:^^^

WooHoo.. we are so friendly here. And I do have to agree on that account! Most everybody, minus a few people, are really nice, and giving...

Hopefully, this place will stay this way...

same here who are these few people?

jabroni76 · Post by **jabroni76** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:14 pm

^^^

the people who haven't posted, or the ones who've posted like once, and never came back again!

Satoshi · Post by **Satoshi** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:16 pm

Yeah this is probably the friendliest forum I've ever been on.

I'm also wondering who these "few people" are. I don't expect you to give names because you would offend those people but I have one thing to say....

Surely not I?

Edit: *reads above post* Oooh okay, lol.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:27 pm

Matty-Mouse wrote:2099net, how can you like those shorts from 1964 onwards? I think some of them are alright (Daffy's Diner being one) but many are just dull, lifeless and are a waste of time and money.
On a completely different note, for your Looney Tunes website why not just use the plot synopsis from Jerry Becks Looney tunes book, it would be much quiker than writting your own.

Well, it's true that the classic Looney Tunes characters are presented badly in the 60's cartoons - the non Chuck Jones RoadRunners are visibly inferior to the earlier ones, and I'm not that fond of the glut of Daffy Duck/Speedy cartoons. I never thought that pairing worked well. Also, animation quality throughout suffers compared to the golden age.

But... the New characters work well I think - after all a Cool Cat cartoon my be Looney Tunes by name, but it's really competing with the Hanna-Barbera cartoons of the time, not the classic Looney Tunes. And as a cartoon of the time, the Cool Cat, Bunny and Clyde - and even the Merlin the Magic Mouse - cartoons stand up well.

Plus by my reckoning there's about 60 cartoons in the Looney Tunes' "dark age" - enough to put in one box and get it over and done with. The fact that they are in colour and do feature Daffy, Speedy, Road Runner and the like mean that the average guy in the street will not feel cheated if he bought the set. Then after assuming a reverse order release pattern, future volumes would be pure gold.

I cannot see forward chronological releases - black and white cartoons, no familar characters, "racist" characters like Bosko etc would ever work as the average punter would not be receptive to the contents.

As for the book - I take it you mean "Looney Tunes and Marrie Melodies: A Complete Illustrated Guide to the Warner Bros. Cartoons." - That's my prime souce of information - but even copying the plot write-ups would be a lot of work!

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 12:59 pm

Here's a full list of the cartoons on the discs from THE DIGITAL BITS

Disc One (Bugs Bunny) - 1. Baseball Bugs 2. Rabbit Seasoning 3. Long-Haired Hare 4. High Diving Hare 5. Bully for Bugs 6. What's Up Doc? 7. Rabbit's Kin 8. Water, Water Every Hare 9. Big House Bunny 10. Big Top Bunny 11. My Bunny Lies Over the Sea 12. Wabbit Twouble 13. Ballot Box Bunny 14. Rabbit of Seville

Disc Two (Daffy & Porky) - 1. Duck Amuck 2. Dough for the Do-Do 3. Drip-Along Daffy 4. Scaredy Cat 5. The Ducksters 6. The Scarlet Pumpernickel 7. Yankee Doodle Daffy 8. Porky Chops 9. Wearing of the Grin 10. Deduce, You Say 11. Boobs in the Woods 12. Golden Yeggs 13. Rabbit Fire 14. Duck Dodgers in the 24 1/2 Century

Disc Three (All Stars) - 1. Elmer's Candid Camera 2. Bugs Bunny and the 3 Bears 3. Fast and Furry-ous 4. Hair-Raising Hare 5. The Awful Orphan 6. Haredevil Hair 7. For Scent-imental Reasons 8. Frigid Hare 9. The Hypo-condricat 10. Baton Bunny 11. Feed the Kitty 12. Don't Give Up the Sheep 13. Bugs Bunny Gets the Boid 14. Tortoise Wins by a Hare

Disc Four (All Stars) - 1. Canary Row 2. Bunker Hill Bunny 3. Kit for Cat 4. Putty Tat Twouble 5. Bugs and Thugs 6. Canned Feud 7. Lumber Jerks 8. Speedy Gonzales 9. Tweety's S.O.S. 10. The Foghorn Leghorn 11. Daffy Duck Hunt 12. Early to Bet 13. Broken Leghorn 14. Devil May Hare

Porky in Wackyland should have been included rather than Dough For The Do-Do on disc 2

Oh well, at least the Do-Do is in the set

jabroni76 · Post by **jabroni76** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:05 pm

Can't Wait for Disc's one and four! Woo!

thanks netty!

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Fri Jul 18, 2003 1:24 pm

Looks like Mr Chuck Jones is dominating this set.

Sethp · Post by **Sethp** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 6:20 am

What's the name of the very "first" Bugs Bunny cartoon? It's a cartoon with a bunny that dosn't look that much like Bugs (more like Max Hare but I belive he was the inspired Bugs early design) that performs magic tricks.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:19 am

According to all my literature the first "real" Bugs Bunny Cartoon was "A Wild Hare".

Before then "prototype" Bugs appeared in "Porky's Hare Hunt", "Hare-um, Scare-um" and "Elmer's Candid Camera".

It looks like Warners are listing "Elmer's Candid Camera" as the first Bugs cartoon, as it is on the first "All Stars" disc which is supposed to be showing various character's first apperances (its also released in the 2 disc Premier Collection).

The links are to the Big Cartoon Database.

Sethp · Post by **Sethp** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:14 am

I feel kinda ashamed for not knowing that much about Looney Tunes, I think I need to read a book or something.

There's a short where Bugs and Daffy argue if it's Duck season or Rabbit season is this short on one of the four discs?

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:25 am

Sethp wrote:There's a short where Bugs and Daffy argue if it's Duck season or Rabbit season is this short on one of the four discs?

There's a few of these, three I think. But one (the first?) is on Disc 1 of the Golden Collection:

Rabbit Seasoning

Just looked it up - the three similar cartoons are "Rabbit Fire", "Rabbit Seasoning" and "Duck! Rabbit, Duck!".

Prince Adam · Post by **Prince Adam** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 10:26 am

I used to love Looney Tunes-every Sunday night our family would watch the news and then "The Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show". When I was younger I also really like Space Jam-but now I just can't watch Looney Tunes anymore. I guess I've just been "Disney-fied" for too long.

Matty-Mouse · Post by **Matty-Mouse** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 12:02 pm

2099net wrote: Just looked it up - the three similar cartoons are "Rabbit Fire", "Rabbit Seasoning" and "Duck! Rabbit, Duck!".

I'm a dirty skunk! <Dirty Skunk season open
LOL

Paka · Post by **Paka** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 2:39 pm

Sethp wrote:What's the name of the very "first" Bugs Bunny cartoon? It's a cartoon with a bunny that dosn't look that much like Bugs (more like Max Hare but I belive he was the inspired Bugs early design) that performs magic tricks.

That would be Chuck Jones' 1939 short "Prest-O Change-O". In this short, "Bugs" was a silent white rabbit that, like you said, looked more like Max Hare in his character design. He torments the Two Curious Puppies that happen to bump into him with a series of magic tricks. There's a cute bit about this in the CJ doc "Extremes and In-Betweens: A Life in Animation" which I highly recommend (it's on a very nice dvd). It isn't just a bunch of dry interviews - it's often interspersed with clips of Chuck's best work and entertaining anecdotes.

Anyway, a cel painter was talking about how they screened "Prest-O Change-O" for the crew to get their reactions. She had then given feedback on the nameless rabbit - that she'd like to see more of him in the future. So I guess that's Chuck's claim to fame with Bugs' creation.

Of course, there's another short from 1938 called "Porky's Hare Hunt", directed by Ben Hardaway, that uses a white rabbit to torment the hapless hunter, and there are claims that this is the first appearance of the Bugs prototype. I haven't seen this one, so I dunno if the rabbit is the same one used in "Prest-O Change-O" or if it's just a coincidence. *shrug*

But that's Bugs' history for you - his origins ain't as clean-cut as Mickey's.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 3:08 pm

The Bugs as we know and love today does have a complex genesis. The rabbit in Presto-Change-O was released after what is generally accepted to be the first of the prototype (or parental) Bugs "Porky's Hare Hunt"(1938) and generally this rabbit is not listed as being a Bug Bunny.

On a side-note, the un-named Bugs Bunny character in "Porky's Hare Hunt" probably is more Daffy than Bugs - it was simply a seqel to the popular "Porky's Duck Hunt" which introduced and starred Daffy Duck. In "Porky's Hare Hunt" "Bugs" is no more than "Daffy Duck in a Rabbit suit" (to quote Friz Freleng). No wonder Daffy was always jealous of Bugs in the later shorts! Personally I don't think "Porky's Hare Hunt" is the first Bugs Bunny cartoon for this reason - he exhibits none of the usual Bugs Bunny behaviour.

When the character was brought back for "Hare-Um Scare-Um" the character was redesigned by ex-Disney character designer Charlie Thorson (who named him Bugs) who designed the Max Hare character for Disney! Thorson gave his Bugs a fluffy appearence, long extended neck, three fingered gloved hands and large feet (based on Charlie Chaplin's Little Tramp character apparrently - I would have thought the large feet would have been based on real rabbits!). The face of his Bugs was very similar to Max Hare.

This design was also used by Chuck Jones in "Presto-Change-O" (but with different colouring and often cited as being a different character) and "Elmer's Candid Camera" a year later. Tex Avery had the character remodeled for "A Wild Hare" (1940) which is often cited as the first Bugs Bunny cartoon. It's true this redesign is closer to the Bugs we all know and love today.

Of all the cartoons mentioned, I've only seen "Porky's Hare Hunt" (that I can remember anywhy) so I cannot comment on this summary. The information comes from Jerry Beck and Will Friedweld's "Looney Tunes" and "Merry Melodies" and also "Reading The Rabbit" edited by Kevin S. Sandler.

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 7:54 pm

It is a shame that my favourite - One Froggy Evening - isn't going to be on there.

But I loved this stuff, so I'm going to pick it up one way or another...

I had seen that info, but thanks for posting it here 2099...

jabroni76 · Post by **jabroni76** » Sun Jul 20, 2003 8:06 pm

Loomie... it'll be released soon enough...

My favorite, or one of them -- the baseball one -- is going to be released, and I am sooo excited. I love baseball episodes.... The Looney Toons one and The Goofy one... both A+++ materials!

Porce · Post by **Porce** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:36 pm

Sorry guys, SPACE JAM sucks. The Looney Tunes characters were degraded into a bunch of sissy wimps who can't win a basketball game without M. Jordan. SURE.

What I'm getting is THE LOONEY TUNES GOLDEN COLLECTION. 4 discs of uncut, restored, LOADED WITH EXTRAS, classic shorts. The other shorts collections are for kids and moms though (no special features).

Porce · Post by **Porce** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:37 pm

STASHONE wrote:Looks like Mr Chuck Jones is dominating this set.

No kidding -- 28 out of 56 cartoons (50%) are Jones cartoons.

Porce · Post by **Porce** » Wed Jul 23, 2003 8:40 pm

2099net wrote:The last two discs release famous first cartoons for the main characters. The first two release "best ofs". It would be a very boring collection if released chronologically. Although there is a 4 disc and 2 disc set, the 2 disc set is included in the 4 disc set.

Confusing I know

By the way Bugs Bunny is included in 139+ cartoons! That's 3 4 disc sets alone!

I'm entering the characters in reverse chronological order into my database, and it's getting more and more time consuming as hardly any characters reoccur from short to short (apart from Inki and Bosko of course). I would take a number of releases before any recognisable characters would be included in chrological sets.

Note: the LD only released Best of collections, but were highly praised - and these discs look better!

Personally I would favor a reverse chronological release order - but most people don't like the 60's shorts (I on the other hand rather like them, especially Cool Cat!) The 'poor quality' 60's cartoons would be released quickly is reverse chronological sets were released.

They are best of unfortunately... This is because these were the first cartoons that WB restored.

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