Frozen: Part III

[qindarka]

well, tangled was actually quite faithful to the book, (the tear at the end, the cut of the hair, flower sorta replacing the cabbage etc...) yes there was quite a twist to the original story but they still kept the important elements. Also, Blue Sky Disney said that Frozen will be faithful to the book as the little mermaid (does anybody know what happened to blue sky disney?) so I think they will keep some elements. I still believe that Frozen won't be awful as the majority of the people think.

Neither Tangled nor The Little Mermaid were faithful to their sources. They may have taken certain elements and the basic premise from the source material but the stories are radically different. Been the norm for Disney since The Jungle Book, really.

The majority don't think that Frozen will be awful. The majority don't have any opinion at all, this forum or sites like Tumblr are hardly representative. Not that the majority opinion means anything.

Blue Sky Disney is back, by the way.

And this is probably worth repeating:

The play list of songs and instrumental pieces circulating on the net is wrong, as well as the animal characters walrus, bear and penguin.

http://www.disneycentralplaza.com/t3417 ... embre-2013

[disneyprincess11]

Blue Sky Disney???

[DisneyFan09]

I can confirm, without doubt, that the renders of Anna and Elsa that leaked are 100% official. They are on all the planned merchandise. Derp eye and all.

Where is your source for that?

[WonderNeverOz]

um, excuse me?

I'd rather listen to nails on a chalkboard for six hours.

well, tangled was actually quite faithful to the book

I don't think there is 'a book' called Tangled. The movie took iconic and recognizable elements from the fairytale, but they are nothing alike. Which is good thing because the original story is rather gruesome and difficult to adapt into an animated feature.

I don't think there is 'a book' called Tangled. The movie took iconic and recognizable elements from the fairytale, but they are nothing alike. Which is good thing because the original story is rather gruesome and difficult to adapt into an animated feature.[/quote]

Oh thank you sooo much for correcting my mistake because it’s sooo not obvious that “the book” means the story of Rapunzel by Grim brothers. A fairy tale lover like me will surely make a mistake like that

iconic and recognizable elements are very important in fairy tales. that's why i said similar. i know how they took all the sexual and the horrific things from the story. im aware of that.

I would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard for six hours than listening to your opinion.

[FigmentJedi]

Blue Sky Disney???

It's a blog that called the Lucasfilm buyout like a year before it happened and nobody noticed.

[PatrickvD]

[I would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard for six hours than listening to your opinion.

Well thank God this is the internet where we just read opinions.

Next time, don't 'excuse me?' if you don't like what I have to say. I'm not forcing you to.

[qindarka]

Blue Sky Disney???

It's a blog that called the Lucasfilm buyout like a year before it happened and nobody noticed.

That was based on speculation, not insider info or anything.
Still impressive. I find the site to be pretty much useless now, though.

[Edthehyena]

What they did to Rapunzel was brilliant, both faithful and new... i think they started with that : why does that Grimm girl have such long hair and why does her tears heal the blind prince ? Answer : she must be magical. Why ? Because of that plant her mother ate. Second point : why does the witch lock her in a tower ? At last : why did she never has the idea to escape using her own hair ? At the end of the original story, she and the dumb prince finally make the project to built a rope to achieve that... So, Disney just swap the boy and the girl social origins, and answer all those questions for us... Brilliant. Fairy tales are often full of illogical elements ( Cinderella not trying to do her own dress for the ball, king and queen keeping her daughter in the castle where the spinning wheel prophecy is meant to happen, arabian sorcerer giving up the lamp in the cave with the boy to easily, Belle never trying to escape the monster ´s castle... Disney corrected all that). Same for Frozen, they're going to resolve all the questions about the snow queen Andersen never answer : who is she, where does she come from, what does she really want, what becomes of her...? And instead of a girl ( travelling to save someone) and a boy (stuck in the villain palace during almost the whole story ) loving each other like brother and sister, they give us a girl and a boy falling in love along the way, while they're travelling to save the sister... Troll and princess are in the original tale, they will use that. Let´s just hope they will add some of the roses, mirror (even with a different function, like they did with BATB´s rose), robbers and so... Anyway, most people you ask about snow queen just remember and want an icy quest, a girl, a boy, an ice palace, a reindeer and a mysterious frozen heroin : that´s what they ´ ll get !

[qindarka]

Same for Frozen, they're going to resolve all the questions about the snow queen Andersen never answer : who is she, where does she come from, what does she really want, what becomes of her...? And instead of a girl ( travelling to save someone) and a boy (stuck in the villain palace during almost the whole story ) loving each other like brother and sister, they give us a girl and a boy falling in love along the way, while they're travelling to save the sister... Troll and princess are in the original tale, they will use that. Let´s just hope they will add some of the roses, mirror (even with a different function, like they did with BATB´s rose), robbers and so... Anyway, most people you ask about snow queen just remember and want an icy quest, a girl, a boy, an ice palace, a reindeer and a mysterious frozen heroin : that´s what they ´ ll get !

The origin of The Snow Queen is not important in Andersen's version, this is not a shortcoming. She isn't meant to be a deep, dynamic character but merely a villain to facilitate the plot, with the story centering on Gerda's quest to rescue Kai.

With regards to the love part, firstly we don't know if there will be any romance in the film. Also, even if it was, Kristoff is not meant to be taking Kai's place. It is really Elsa who is fulfilling that role, as the one who has been corrupted and whom the protagonist seeks to rescue.

I defend the changes in this film but I really would not call them improvements or anything. I think that while it may share some thematic ground, many plot details are far too different to compare it to the source material. I'm sure that they will sneak some plot elements from the source in though ,as in Tangled, these elements will still not be fulfilling the original function.

[Patrick]

I can confirm, without doubt, that the renders of Anna and Elsa that leaked are 100% official. They are on all the planned merchandise. Derp eye and all.

Where is your source for that?

My source is me. I work for a company that deals with the products.

That being said, has anyone given a description of the other male in the film? I wasn't able to read the box, but I will soon. The gentleman was standing next to Hans. He had red hair and a rectangular face. He wore a baby blue suit jacket, black pants, and had on a red bow-tie. Looked pretty grim.

Products that are currently slated are:

• Anna and Elsa dresses
  Pink Tiara (assuming for Anna)
  Blue frost necklace (Elsa)
  Ice scepter (Elsa)
  Elsa wig
  Anna and Elsa toddler doll (similar to Animators dolls, current packaging does not say "animator's" on it, though)
  Anna baby doll
  Playset with Anna, Elsa, Hans, the other gentleman described above, the snowman, and a moose
  Playset with Anna and an icy carriage

There is also a reeeally cute piece of concept art of Anna, in the same style as the one we have of Elsa, on most of the boxes. I highly doubt this will stay, but it's super cute. All I got so far, guys. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll try and take a peek later on this week.

[Sotiris]

Thanks for all the amazing info Patrick! Can you tell us anything about Hans? What he looks like and what's his role in the film? Also, if you manage to find out the name or other info about this grim character standing next to Hans would be great.

[disneyprincess11]

Thank you, Patrick! Can't wait to see these products! Is Elsa's products under DISNEY PRINCESS? Because she's joining Anna in the lineup. Can't wait to see Hans too and the stranger

[Prince Kido]

The products Patrick described are mostly weird to me, knowing the story and the visuals.
Anyway, we use to know that most of the "princess" stuff is not the same as figured in movies, only to fit little girls toys.
For example, and unless there are new elements in the movie itself or things that have changed recently, there are no "PINK" tiara, or "BLUE FROST NECKLACE", "ICY" scepter, "ICY" carriage or "BABY" Anna...
Also, I think the red grim guy described by Patrick is Hans in fact, and the other guy is Kristoff.

In another news for those who know me as a french artist who sometimes use to work for the Disney company, Qindarka reported here what I mentionned on our french Disney forum and he's right, I'm not doing anymore the book of Frozen I was supposed to illustrate since 3 months. I'm so sad because I got the opportunity thanks to my great boss at Publishing to do a more stylized book and I did many test drawings and sample covers for a while, but at the end, some were not confident enough regarding my art style and I'll be replaced by a studio artist probably.
I lost a great contract as a freelance artist, so it's both disappointing and frustrating.
I thanksfully got to see and know mostly everything about Frozen, but I am under confidentiality agreement.
So, voilà! I will share what I did on my blogs/sites when the movie will be released...

[Patrick]

@Sotiris Hans literally looked exactly like the concept art. I feel like Disney often produces "concept art" to release before films that is really just an artists rendering of the final product. I wasn't able to read anything on the boxes, if there even is text on there yet, so I couldn't get a feel for the characters. The sample boxes we have are pretty obviously tentative, most don't even have actual product in them, just photos. I'll definitely do a bit more investigating this Friday.

@disneyprincess11 None of the line is listed as "Dinsey Princess" yet. I'm guessing they're taking a similar approach to what they did with both Tangled and Brave. There's a lot of money in selling an entire line of specialized products branded with each films' name. Princesses only get added to the DP line (of products) when their personal lines drop in popularity, a year+ after the films release. Plus, they'll probably also want to differentiate Frozen products for the royal coronation (assuming there is one) like they did with both Tangled and Brave. There's a pretty large boost in sales when a princess gets crowned, so they want the product to be easily identifiable. We'll have to wait and see on that one.

[DisneyFan09]

Hi Patrick. Do you know more about the storyline? Or when a trailer will be released?

[Super Aurora]

well, tangled was actually quite faithful to the book,

Try saying that to Duster with a straight face.

That being said, has anyone given a description of the other male in the film? I wasn't able to read the box, but I will soon. The gentleman was standing next to Hans. He had red hair and a rectangular face. He wore a baby blue suit jacket, black pants, and had on a red bow-tie. Looked pretty grim.

Sounds like the description of red dude IS Hans. Although Kristoff also looked grim or grumpy in that concept art.

[Sotiris]

Hans literally looked exactly like the concept art.

You must mean Kristoff. Concept art for Hans hasn't been released yet. Hans must be the other grim, redheaded character you mentioned. How old does he look to you? Does he look menacing? Would you say that he looks more like a possible villain or like a love interest for Elsa?

[Patrick]

@DisneyFan09: Nope, sorry! I've only seen product samples.

@Super Aurora and Sotiris: Whoooooops. Yes, I meant Kristoff. I would assume the other guy is Hans. The redhead is definitely older than the others and I couldn't see him as a love interest for anyone. Since villains aren't usually in playsets for awhile, I wonder if he's more like a sympathetic antagonist than a traditional Disney villain.

More to come!

[Sotiris]

Just wrote: "FINAL FADE OUT" and "THE END." This might call for a sip of wine and one of them bubbly baths.

Source: https://twitter.com/alittlejelee/status ... 4150958080

[disneyprincess11]

Ok, first of all: I CAN NOT DRAW AND I WASN'T TRYING TO

So, this is pretty much Hans? Of course, he looks much much better



AGAIN YES I AM A BAD DRAWER.