Frozen: Part III

Jules · Post by **Jules** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:19 am

What hoverboard? The one Marty McFly rides in Back To The Future Part 2?

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:33 am

Jules wrote:What hoverboard? The one Marty McFly rides in Back To The Future Part 2?

I believe that's the one and he was being sarcastic about why don't the make that instead of these crappy toys before 2015

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 2:11 pm

Jules wrote:Mattel should manufacture unmeltable snowballs and sell them off as official Frozen merchandise.

I was thinking of icicles, but I suppose that wouldn’t be child-friendly. Maybe an adult audience?

disneyboy20022 · Post by **disneyboy20022** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:18 pm

Jules wrote:Mattel should manufacture unmeltable snowballs and sell them off as official Frozen merchandise.

WIST

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:22 pm

Floyd Norman wrote:For some odd reason the Disney Company seems reluctant to embrace its princess legacy when it comes to motion pictures. This is evident in the ridiculous title change of the well known fairy tale, “Rapunzel.” As you already know, that well known book was given the rather goofy title of “Tangled” a few years ago. It's not over, of course. Disney Animation's latest epic fairy tale will not carry it's original name, “The Snow Queen.” Instead the animated feature will be known as, “Frozen.”

Naturally, this is what happens when marketing drives the creative process. Clever, one word titles is what sells, right? Even though the book might be known world wide, let's come up with a title no one has ever heard of. Something hip, edgy and cool. That'll bring the audience in, right? [...]

Currently, Disney Animation is hard at work on their latest animated feature, “The Snow Queen.” Oops! I mean, “Frozen.” I try to keep an open mind and look forward to the day when this silly marketing notion will be put on the shelf forever. I can only imagine what the Old Maestro would think if he was around today. “The Disney Princesses are what built this studio,” he would say. “Are you guys nuts?” I'm sorry, Walt. I'm afraid they are.

Source: https://floydnormancom.squarespace.com/ ... illy-ideas

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:39 pm

If Floyd were in any way associated with this production he'd know Frozen is now so far removed from The Snow Queen that it's probably for the best. They might as well call it Great Expectations.

Sotiris · Post by **Sotiris** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:49 pm

PatrickvD wrote:If Floyd were in any way associated with this production he'd know Frozen is now so far removed from The Snow Queen that it's probably for the best. They might as well call it Great Expectations.

It's not that different. It's still about a girl who goes on a perilous journey to save the person she loves. And there's still a Snow Queen in it.

PatrickvD · Post by **PatrickvD** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:12 pm

Sotiris wrote:
PatrickvD wrote:If Floyd were in any way associated with this production he'd know Frozen is now so far removed from The Snow Queen that it's probably for the best. They might as well call it Great Expectations.
It's not that different. It's still about a girl who goes on a perilous journey to save the person she loves. And there's still a Snow Queen in it.

I think all similarities end right there.

I'm very curious to see if they have more from the book in there. I loved how they worked Rapunzel's healing tears in Tangled. I'd be happily surprised if they'll keep some little things from the book.

DisneyEra · Post by **DisneyEra** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:19 pm

Sotiris wrote:
Floyd Norman wrote:For some odd reason the Disney Company seems reluctant to embrace its princess legacy when it comes to motion pictures. This is evident in the ridiculous title change of the well known fairy tale, “Rapunzel.” As you already know, that well known book was given the rather goofy title of “Tangled” a few years ago. It's not over, of course. Disney Animation's latest epic fairy tale will not carry it's original name, “The Snow Queen.” Instead the animated feature will be known as, “Frozen.”

Naturally, this is what happens when marketing drives the creative process. Clever, one word titles is what sells, right? Even though the book might be known world wide, let's come up with a title no one has ever heard of. Something hip, edgy and cool. That'll bring the audience in, right? [...]

Currently, Disney Animation is hard at work on their latest animated feature, “The Snow Queen.” Oops! I mean, “Frozen.” I try to keep an open mind and look forward to the day when this silly marketing notion will be put on the shelf forever. I can only imagine what the Old Maestro would think if he was around today. “The Disney Princesses are what built this studio,” he would say. “Are you guys nuts?” I'm sorry, Walt. I'm afraid they are.
Source: https://floydnormancom.squarespace.com/ ... illy-ideas

Well, when "Tangled" grossed $590mil worldwide, it was only natural that Disney was going to do a follow-up using the same marketing tactics. And as for the Frozen dolls not making an appearance at that toy fair, not even surprised, I knew after those leaked posters came out, you were not gonna get any Frozen related info "officialy" from Disney for quite some time. I guess Devianart fan-art will have to do for the next couple months.

DisneyEra · Post by **DisneyEra** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:24 pm

Sotiris wrote:
RodryCroft wrote:Oh! and the NY Toy Fair is in 2 days!! Will Disney present Frozen dolls and toys like they did with Rapunzel and Brave?
Nope!

Here's another question they should of asked Stitch Kingdom: Will future animated films The Good Dinosaur & Big Hero 6 go threw anything like this?

Heck no! Are you crazy? That's Pixar & Marvel related! No need to hide them!

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:52 pm

PatrickvD wrote:If Floyd were in any way associated with this production he'd know Frozen is now so far removed from The Snow Queen that it's probably for the best. They might as well call it Great Expectations.

Even if that was the case, surely they could still have come up with a better title?

Same goes for Tangled, I don't think Rapunzel works well as a title but they could still have thought of something else.

Sky Syndrome · Post by **Sky Syndrome** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:32 pm

Slimming a title down to one word is so silly. Don't make the title of a film a mouthful if you're concerned about people remembering it. I think the last animated film with a title that's a mouthful to say is "Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'hoole". In Legend's case, the director should have picked one side of the colon or the other as the film's title instead of using both sides!

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 6:51 pm

Gasp! Floyd Norman AGAINST the tactics of modern day Disney?? WELL COLOR ME SHOCKED BEYOND BELIEF!

...

But all kidding aside, I definitely see what he means with these one word titles that are somewhat close to the original story, but I think people got over Tangled once the movie was released and was really good. Heck, Tangled was a huge financial success, and I think that was because the movie sold itself well enough, and the quality made people come back to it.

I could care less for the name as long as the movie is good in the end.

DisneyEra · Post by **DisneyEra** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:40 pm

Found this pic on Tumblur. What do you guys think?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/63e09edd53c4 ... o1_500.jpg

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:50 pm

DisneyEra wrote:Found this pic on Tumblur. What do you guys think?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/63e09edd53c4 ... o1_500.jpg

LOVE that. I'm sick of the all the sexist, racist, whatever-ist nonsense. Like many people have said, the only way to move past all that is to stop talking about it.

*ducks before war begins

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:55 pm

I don't think I posted it here, but I've thought it since that picture of Anna & Kristoff came out...at least in that picture, he reminds me of a Muppet. Mostly Bert...anyone else see that?!

Super Aurora · Post by **Super Aurora** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:49 pm

DisneyEra wrote:Found this pic on Tumblur. What do you guys think?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/63e09edd53c4 ... o1_500.jpg

People are complaining Anna is white? it takes place in the fucking north, what did they expect?

Also i haven't heard this outrage before.

qindarka · Post by **qindarka** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:01 pm

Super Aurora wrote:
DisneyEra wrote:Found this pic on Tumblur. What do you guys think?

http://25.media.tumblr.com/63e09edd53c4 ... o1_500.jpg
People are complaining Anna is white? it takes place in the fucking north, what did they expect?

Also i haven't heard this outrage before.

There were loads of complaints about it over on Tumblr.
Many were saying that since Disney took so many liberties with the source material, they could have placed it in a region with POC's. Also saying that even Scandinavia has some minority POC's. Or that their choice of source material was not diverse enough.

It's all quite ridiculous, really. You hardly see these complaints pop up when other animation studios and Hollywood in general use mostly whites in lead roles. It is an issue to be addressed but singling out WDAS is rather unfair to them, especially since they do have more diversity than other Western animation studios.

That said....

SWillie! wrote: LOVE that. I'm sick of the all the sexist, racist, whatever-ist nonsense. Like many people have said, the only way to move past all that is to stop talking about it.

*ducks before war begins

We can't just ignore these issues and pretend they don't exist either. It's an industry wide problem where minorities and females don't get the representation and respectful portrayals they deserve. Not talking about it and thinking that sexism and racism don't exist anymore will only continue to perpetuate this.

I apologize if I come across as haughty here.

SWillie! · Post by **SWillie!** » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:37 pm

qindarka wrote:
SWillie! wrote: LOVE that. I'm sick of the all the sexist, racist, whatever-ist nonsense. Like many people have said, the only way to move past all that is to stop talking about it.

*ducks before war begins
We can't just ignore these issues and pretend they don't exist either. It's an industry wide problem where minorities and females don't get the representation and respectful portrayals they deserve. Not talking about it and thinking that sexism and racism don't exist anymore will only continue to perpetuate this.

I apologize if I come across as haughty here.

No, you're fine. You're definitely right that completely ignoring it isn't the way to go - I don't think that's quite exactly what people mean when they say we need to stop talking about it. It's definitely true that sexism and racism still exist (just stop by any youtube video's comments for a full-on barrage). But just as ridiculous as those horrible comments is the opposite side of the fight - those people on tumblr who will attack anything that isn't completely 100% all about strong women and minorities.

When there's a white main character, many people take it as some sort of ridiculous attack on minorities. It's just silly.

Tangled · Post by **Tangled** » Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:23 am

Isn't it also racist to hate a character's design just because she's white?

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