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Super Aurora wrote: It is. That site is a news joke site. Kinda like The Onion. you can tell it is right off the bat with the photoshopped pic of Romney in the picture and the Bat-Boy pic in the advertisement.
Yeah, especially when they imply every tv child actress is a nickelodeon girl.
Because everyone knows that every TV Child Actress is in fact, a Disney Channel Girl :P
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Ed Asner asks if he can piss on fox news correspondent

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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

obviously for people who know me what experience I had with meeting Ed Asner.
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Every time I hear talk about the fiscal cliff, I think of this game on The Price is Right.

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I think the problem with this whole Fiscal Cliff thing and why no progress is not being made is the Republicans. They refuse to tax the wealthy.
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It appears that there might be a deal reached before midnight after all.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-575 ... akthrough/


President Obama took to the stage with middle-class tax payers standing behind him this afternoon to announce that Congress is making "progress" and that "it appears an agreement" is in sight.

Meanwhile, CBS News has learned that there has been agreement on two of the major hangups.

Multiple congressional sources tell CBS News that the two sides have agreed on an income threshold for the expiration of the Bush-era tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans: $400,000 for individuals and $450,000 for families. For weeks, Democrats have pushed for letting the cuts expire for those making over $200,000 and families making over $250,000 while Republicans have wanted to renew the cuts for all Americans, including the wealthiest.

Additionally, agreement has been reached on the estate tax, which was set to increase from 35 percent to 55 percent in 2013. Instead, the compromise sets the new rate at 40 percent with the first $5 million exempt from being taxed.
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The Senate passed the Fiscal Cliff deal. Now, its up to the House to make the final move.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/01/politics/ ... index.html
If a Senate deal to avert the fiscal cliff becomes law, all but a sliver of the U.S. population will avoid higher tax rates, some key issues will be put off for two months, and all sides in the battle will emerge with a mixed record: winning key points, while ceding ground on others.

The deal, which passed the Democratic-controlled Senate in an overwhelming 89-8 vote in the middle of the night, would maintain tax cuts for individuals earning less than $400,000 and couples earning less than $450,000. Technically, it would reinstate cuts that expired at midnight.

The bill faces an uncertain future in the Republican-controlled House, which convenes at noon.
50 bucks says they turn it down. :roll:
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House Balks at Cliff Deal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 93876.html
A bipartisan plan to avert year-end spending cuts and tax increases slammed into stiff opposition in the Republican-controlled House of Representatives, where conservatives argued that it didn't including any meaningful reduction in spending.

The bill that would raise income-tax rates only on the best-off Americans passed the Senate by an overwhelming 89-8 vote early Tuesday morning, but by early evening it was in trouble. House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R., Va.) and other House Republicans objected to it, arguing that it consisted almost entirely of tax increases and contained barely any spending cuts—a major bone of contention between the parties.

House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio), who didn't take a position on the bill, had promised to bring the White House-backed, Senate bill to a House vote. But the conservative rebellion posed a major test of his leadership—just two days before he is to stand for re-election as speaker.

A wide range of House Republicans were clamoring for a chance to vote to add more spending cuts to the bill and send it back to the Senate. "I would be shocked if this bill doesn't go back to the Senate," said Rep. Spencer Bachus (R., Ala.) after a two-hour strategy meeting of House Republicans.

In a closed-door caucus later Tuesday afternoon, Mr. Boehner presented GOP lawmakers with two options for overcoming an impasse, according to a senior House GOP aide.

One was to amend the Senate bill to include spending cuts and return it to the Senate. The alternative was to simply put the Senate bill to a vote. Early Tuesday evening, Republican leaders were trying to gauge which of the two options had the most support among the party rank and file.

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Naturally. Not in the least bit surprising.

Which is just sad. I knew it wouldnt happen.
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Apparently they did pass a deal of some sort and the stock market is soaring

Too Bad we'll have to do this all over again with the Debt Ceiling :headshake:
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I thought this was funny

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I was hesitant to resurrect this thread, but I believe we all can act civil without personal attacks or trolling or any kind of rudeness. So in the words of Woody the Cowboy "Let's Play Nice" If it even begins to get out of hand I will request that our mods lock this thread and to use their wisdom to do so if they feel they need to.

Instead of starting with the 3 scandals as I'm sure we'll get to that later I will get to the part that made me want to post

What happened on Oklahoma was horrible with Tornado was an act of god, right? Well apparently some people are blaming Obama for the Tornado itself and Hurricane Sandy. The Reason? They think he has some sort of weather weapon that's causing these storms...... rotfl rotfl

Apparently some people have been watching way to many Saturday Morning Cartoons.

Conspiracy theorist radio host Alex Jones explained to his audience today how the government could have been behind the devastating May 20 tornado in Oklahoma.

On the May 21 edition of The Alex Jones Show, a caller asked Jones whether he was planning to cover how government technology may be behind a recent spate of sinkholes. After laying out how insurance companies use weather modification to avoid having to pay ski resorts for lack of snow, Jones said that "of course there's weather weapon stuff going on -- we had floods in Texas like 15 years ago, killed 30-something people in one night. Turned out it was the Air Force."

Following a long tangent, Jones returned to the caller's subject. While he explained that "natural tornadoes" do exist and that he's not sure if a government "weather weapon" was involved in the Oklahoma disaster, Jones warned nonetheless that the government "can create and steer groups of tornadoes."

How can tornado truthers know for sure whether the Obama administration was responsible for yesterday's devastation in Oklahoma? According to Jones, we need to know whether locals saw helicopters and small aircraft "in and around the clouds, spraying and doing things." He added, "f you saw that, you better bet your bottom dollar they did this." Jones, ever cautious, went on to say he does not yet know whether yesterday was a natural disaster or not. How reassuring.

Now, I realize that fringe figures are going to share nutty ideas all the time, and it was probably inevitable that some nonsensical allegations about the Oklahoma tornado would pop up. I didn't realize "weather weapons" would be part of the story, but there's probably no reason to be surprised.

This caught my eye, however, because of recent developments -- we've seen Republican officeholders in state legislatures, the U.S. House, and even the U.S. Senate take Alex Jones' ideas seriously. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) intends to run for president -- of the United States -- and he's been a guest on Alex Jones' show.

In other words, the guy raising the specter of Obama using "weather weapons" to kill Oklahomans is the same guy helping influence several Republican policymakers in 2013.


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While I'm sure it's not impossible for scientists/governments to cause a tornado/earthquake/etc. if they really put an effort into it (I mean, with the weather these days, we're always on the verge of a tornado anyway, so they wouldn't have to try too hard), I think this person is just insane.
This caught my eye, however, because of recent developments -- we've seen Republican officeholders in state legislatures, the U.S. House, and even the U.S. Senate take Alex Jones' ideas seriously. Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) intends to run for president -- of the United States -- and he's been a guest on Alex Jones' show.

In other words, the guy raising the specter of Obama using "weather weapons" to kill Oklahomans is the same guy helping influence several Republican policymakers in 2013.
Then he fits in with the rest of the party, I suppose.
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One thing that continues to confuse and frustrate me: why aren't either major perspectives wholly pro-freedom or wholly pro-control? There's the 'liberal' left who support social and personal freedoms, yet desire more state control; conversely, the stereotypical right, everything from Republicans to Thatcherites, opposes social and personal freedoms, but advocate capitalistic liberty.
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Because there isn't a clear ideal for the amount of freedom someone gets to have or where it should be applied.
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ajmrowland wrote:Because there isn't a clear ideal for the amount of freedom someone gets to have or where it should be applied.
I recognise that; I just find it strange how people who advocate liberty one area disagree on liberty in another. If one believes that individuals should have the rights to private property and trade freely, then surely that person ought to believe that individuals should be able to take drugs freely and privately have sexual relations with other consenting adults. Conversely, if a person believes the state should control the economy, which controls people's lives, then why doesn't that person also believe in controlling the masses in other areas?
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Dr Frankenollie wrote:
ajmrowland wrote:Because there isn't a clear ideal for the amount of freedom someone gets to have or where it should be applied.
I recognise that; I just find it strange how people who advocate liberty one area disagree on liberty in another. If one believes that individuals should have the rights to private property and trade freely, then surely that person ought to believe that individuals should be able to take drugs freely and privately have sexual relations with other consenting adults. Conversely, if a person believes the state should control the economy, which controls people's lives, then why doesn't that person also believe in controlling the masses in other areas?

Because most realize that 100% freedom and 100% control isn't the way to go. We tend to link the words "freedom" and "liberty" to mean definitively positive things and "control" as definitively negative when in reality they aren't. We try linking those words to positions we agree and disagree on to make them sound right and to justify our positions but in politics and in life the ideal is in the middle. It's not so black and white or right and left. That's oversimplifying it.
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The_Iceflash wrote:Because most realize that 100% freedom and 100% control isn't the way to go. We tend to link the words "freedom" and "liberty" to mean definitively positive things and "control" as definitively negative when in reality they aren't. We try linking those words to positions we agree and disagree on to make them sound right and to justify our positions but in politics and in life the ideal is in the middle. It's not so black and white or right and left. That's oversimplifying it.
You're missing my point somewhat.

I mostly agree with you on the fact that politics is certainly not as dichotomous as people often perceive it as, and that the idea of liberty is only attractive until you begin to consider the impacts on others if there was freedom of action, not to mention the possible dangers of a free market economy and the likelihood that it would leave many in penury. Instead of politics being black-and-white, right vs. left, good vs. evil, it is practically a matter of compromises. However, I would say that freedom and liberty are definitively positive things when compared to the alternative, because although they do come with costs, they are lesser costs than the costs of control. The only especially dangerous form of liberty would be the aforementioned freedom of action, but virtually no one is in favour of that.

Anyway, I wasn't saying that either 100% freedom or 100% control were the best way forward. I was saying how strange it is that the people who are individualistic and liberal on one matter are all for control and collectivism on another, be it in regards to the market or to morality.
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So surprised that none of you seem concerned about the crook we have in the White House. He has at least nine scandals that he hasn't addressed including the big one - the night of terror in Benghazi and the loss of live of four Americans.

Now this month (July) is the start of the sequestration of Federal Civil Service Employees. This is a plan where in order to save millions of dollars (which it won't for reasons I will show you here) by forcing all Federal Civil Service Employees to take one day off per week. This will cost some people as much as $1,200 amonth or $3,600 for the three months that the sequestration is in force.

My daughter works at McConnell Air Force Base and the sequestration affects 50 people in her division, but only 18 of them are going to lose income, because the other 32 people in her division are also Kansas Air National Guard Reservists and have already applied for their weekend to include Friday.

My daughter will lose just over $800 a month in income for the next three months, and she and her husband have just bought their first house in March. Along with their two kids, and my wife and I, we are all going to have to "bite the bullet" even more until October.

Those 32 people surely won't make as much money for that one day as they probably think, but it isn't going to 'hurt' as much as those 18 who only have their Civil Service jobs to depend on.

What is even more frustrating is that September is the end of the Fiscal year and my daughter's office if the Office of Finance and Management for McConnell Air Base, and in the past years she has had to work a ton of overtime to get all the money accounted for, and see that all the money that was supposed to be spent gets spent. Now she has to observe this sequestration and the end of the year will probably carry over into the first days of October, through no fault of her own.

I have been a registered Democrat for over 50 years and did not vote for Oblameless this time around because I was displeased about what didn't get accomplished in his first term.

Now it frightens me to see there are some Democrats who think this despot is the 'second coming of Christ' and are looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.

I attended a Rally in San Francisco a few weeks ago that was supported by those of the Democratic Party who are disappointed with the occupants of the White House. Over 10,000 Democrats plus almost another 5,000 people representing other political parties rallied in Candlestick Park after two days of smaller meetings at venues all over the city by the Bay. The overall output from this series of meetings was to focus on all of the scandals that have happened during the current administration and those concerned who don't want to talk about it or even discuss why these scandals are even happening.

I can't believe that there are people who actually think Hilary Clinton will be a good candidate for the Presidency in 2016, which a lot of us in San Francisco thought was a big joke. How can she think that Americans will vote for her when she can't tell the truth about Benghazi, and other things that happened under her watch.

I promised myself that I wouldn't get too involved in all of this, but I am seeing my country being taken to its knees by an illegal alien who used a forged birth certificate and paid people to vote for him. My happiness with all of this would be to Impeach the three main contributors to our "ruler-ship" and fire all the rest. Arrest all of them and put them behind bars or deport them, which ever seems fit. What has happened in the last five years is giving the US a black eye with our foreign allies. Even our dollar isn't recognized in over 15 countries, yet Barry insists on printing more money because 'that's how we get our economy back on track'.
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dvdjunkie wrote:So surprised that none of you seem concerned about the crook we have in the White House. He has at least nine scandals that he hasn't addressed including the big one - the night of terror in Benghazi and the loss of live of four Americans.

Now this month (July) is the start of the sequestration of Federal Civil Service Employees. This is a plan where in order to save millions of dollars (which it won't for reasons I will show you here) by forcing all Federal Civil Service Employees to take one day off per week. This will cost some people as much as $1,200 amonth or $3,600 for the three months that the sequestration is in force.

My daughter works at McConnell Air Force Base and the sequestration affects 50 people in her division, but only 18 of them are going to lose income, because the other 32 people in her division are also Kansas Air National Guard Reservists and have already applied for their weekend to include Friday.

My daughter will lose just over $800 a month in income for the next three months, and she and her husband have just bought their first house in March. Along with their two kids, and my wife and I, we are all going to have to "bite the bullet" even more until October.

Those 32 people surely won't make as much money for that one day as they probably think, but it isn't going to 'hurt' as much as those 18 who only have their Civil Service jobs to depend on.

What is even more frustrating is that September is the end of the Fiscal year and my daughter's office if the Office of Finance and Management for McConnell Air Base, and in the past years she has had to work a ton of overtime to get all the money accounted for, and see that all the money that was supposed to be spent gets spent. Now she has to observe this sequestration and the end of the year will probably carry over into the first days of October, through no fault of her own.

I have been a registered Democrat for over 50 years and did not vote for Oblameless this time around because I was displeased about what didn't get accomplished in his first term.

Now it frightens me to see there are some Democrats who think this despot is the 'second coming of Christ' and are looking at the world through rose-colored glasses.

I attended a Rally in San Francisco a few weeks ago that was supported by those of the Democratic Party who are disappointed with the occupants of the White House. Over 10,000 Democrats plus almost another 5,000 people representing other political parties rallied in Candlestick Park after two days of smaller meetings at venues all over the city by the Bay. The overall output from this series of meetings was to focus on all of the scandals that have happened during the current administration and those concerned who don't want to talk about it or even discuss why these scandals are even happening.

I can't believe that there are people who actually think Hilary Clinton will be a good candidate for the Presidency in 2016, which a lot of us in San Francisco thought was a big joke. How can she think that Americans will vote for her when she can't tell the truth about Benghazi, and other things that happened under her watch.

I promised myself that I wouldn't get too involved in all of this, but I am seeing my country being taken to its knees by an illegal alien who used a forged birth certificate and paid people to vote for him. My happiness with all of this would be to Impeach the three main contributors to our "ruler-ship" and fire all the rest. Arrest all of them and put them behind bars or deport them, which ever seems fit. What has happened in the last five years is giving the US a black eye with our foreign allies. Even our dollar isn't recognized in over 15 countries, yet Barry insists on printing more money because 'that's how we get our economy back on track'.
Now this month (July) is the start of the sequestration of Federal Civil Service Employees. This is a plan where in order to save millions of dollars (which it won't for reasons I will show you here) by forcing all Federal Civil Service Employees to take one day off per week. This will cost some people as much as $1,200 amonth or $3,600 for the three months that the sequestration is in force
It could have been avoided if our elected officials actually compromised for once. It was a plan that was so stupid that congress would have to be crazy to let it through. Surprise Surprise. Obama wasn't happy about it and urged them to work it out soon, though right now it seems we've forgotten about it.

I like Hilary Clinton, However if Chris Christie runs he would be someone I'd very much consider voting for since he doesn't roll over for a particular party all the time and I agree with him a lot.
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I feel like people in this country who keeps saying this has an obessive conspiracy theory mind like this DC Comics Character

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One person I'd like to see sent home is John Boehner. Talk about your condescending politician.

Also Healthcare isn't going up because of the Affordable Health Care Act. It's been going up since the year 2000. It's just an excuse the health insurance companies can use to justify the increase of cost. They are just like the oil companies. Right now I'm on disablity and have Medicare and Medicaid for helath insurance, If I were to get a casual job and start working on a regular basis, I would lose both of them and I have way too many medical bills to do that. However I can buy into the Affordable Health Care Act plan and still work and live. Also right now kids can be on their parents Health Insurance Plan until the age of 26, regardless of being disabled or not.

You know I was watching the monologue of The Tonight Show With Jay Leno, the one where I was on the show, and the jokes and situations sounded just like right now's events. These kind of things have been happening since Abraham Lincoln. Go watch Lincoln and see it is very much like right now. The squabbling politicians, it's nothing new. J Edgar Hoover was much of a piece of work as Donald Trump is now.
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I can't believe that you don't think Obamacare is the worst thing that could happen to our medical treatments and insurances. Read and listen to this video:

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And there are more business being sued because they won't implement Obamacare. There is something wrong with this and these people are brave enough to step forward and call Barry on it.

We need to defund Obamacare today!!!!
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