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ajmrowland wrote:Well, thank you for only furthering my point about educating oneself on other countries and a bit of history.
No, thank *you* for these remarks; I see that as a big compliment. (But, would you mind editing your post to remove that huge-ass post of mine? I hate to sound ungrateful, but I don't think all that needs to be up here twice.) ;)

Judge blocks contentious Wisconsin union law

Wisconsin Secretary of State Doug La Follette listens to arguments Friday, March 18, 2011 during a hearing in Dane County Court in Madison, Wis. Judge Maryann Sumi heard a request from Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne to issue a temporary restraining order to prevent the secretary of state from publishing the controversial budget repair bill. Ozanne claims the conference committee meeting that advanced the bill violated state open meetings laws because it was not properly noticed.

MADISON, Wis. — A Wisconsin judge issued a temporary restraining order Friday blocking the state's new and contentious collective bargaining law from taking effect, raising the possibility that the Legislature may have to vote again to pass the bill. Lawmakers had passed Gov. Scott Walker's measure last week, breaking a three-week stalemate caused by 14 Senate Democrats fleeing to Illinois. Demonstrations against the measure grew as large as 85,000 people.

Dane County District Judge Maryann Sumi granted the order in response to a lawsuit filed by the district attorney alleging that Republican lawmakers violated the state's open meetings law by hastily convening a special committee before the Senate passed the bill. Sumi said her ruling would not prevent the Legislature from reconvening the committee with proper notice and passing the bill again.

Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie would not comment on whether the governor would push to call the Legislature back to pass the bill again, either in its current form or with any changes. Werwie said Walker was confident the bill would become law in the near future. "This legislation is still working through the legal process," Werwie said. A spokesman for Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald declined to comment, citing the ongoing legal fight. A spokesman for Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

Opponents of the law were hopeful the judge's ruling would lead to concessions. "I would hope the Republicans would take this as an opportunity to sit down with Democrats and negotiate a proposal we could all get behind," said Democratic Sen. Jon Erpenbach, one of the 14 senators who stayed in Illinois for three weeks in an attempt to stop the bill from passing.

The head of the state's largest teachers union said the Legislature should use this as a chance to listen to opponents of the measure, not vote to pass the same bill again. "Wisconsin's educators call upon the Legislature to take this as a clear signal that Wisconsinites will not tolerate backroom deals and political power plays when it comes to our public schools and other valued services," said Mary Bell, president of the Wisconsin Education Association Council. Marty Beil, director of the state's largest public employee union, said in a statement, "We are gratified to see some of our so-called 'leaders' finally held accountable for their illegal actions."

Assistant Attorney General Steve Means said the Justice Department planned to appeal the ruling. Since Sumi's order isn't final, the agency must secure permission from the state court of appeals before it can bring a case, Means said. Agency attorneys planned to make the request later Friday or perhaps early next week, Means said. If the agency wins permission, it can pursue an appeal with the state appeals court or try to get the state Supreme Court to hear the case.

Dane County District Attorney Ismael Ozanne filed the lawsuit this week alleging the open meetings law was violated because 24 hours' notice wasn't given for a meeting of the special legislative committee convened to amend the bill. Justice Department attorneys argued that notice on a bulletin board posted about two hours before the committee meeting was to start last Wednesday was sufficient under rules of the Senate.

The judge said DOJ couldn't show the committee was exempt from the 24-hour notice requirement. She said Ozanne could ultimately win the case and ordered Secretary of State Doug La Follette to hold off on publishing the law — the last step before it can take effect. La Follette had planned to publish the law on March 25.

Assembly Minority Leader Peter Barca of Kenosha said the ruling was a move in the right direction. "I'm very pleased," Barca said. "As you know, I felt from the moment they called this that this would be a violation of open meetings law. This is an important first step in this regard."

The bill was part of Walker's solution for plugging a $137 million state budget shortfall. A part of the measure would require state workers to increase their health insurance and pension contributions to save the state $30 million by July 1. Other parts of Walker's original proposal to address the budget shortfall were removed before the bill passed last week. The Legislature planned to take those up later.

Meanwhile, I read on several blogs that the movement to recall Gov. Walker seems to be a big success! Apparently, people are signing up for it left and right! This judicial blocking (see above) is only a delay. It does not mean the bill won't go into effect. So don't keep your eye of the ball... er... bill!
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So on March, 20th I posted the article above which mentions how a Madison, Wisconsin judge had ruled that the procedure used by Gov. Walker to pass the anti-union bill was not legitimite and the voting process should be done over --until that happened, the bill should not be put into law. That was a court's order. As it turns out... the Walker-administration is still busy trying to implement it. Blatantly ignoring the judge's ruling, the judge felt compelled to repeat her ruling, after which Gov. Walker *still* went ahead like nothing had happened.

Rachel Maddow has more on Gov. Walker's blatantly unlawful actions, and good news: the campaign to recall Walker is going FANTASTIC! Everybody wants to sign the petition, even life-long Republicans. It looks like Walker will be recalled sooner rather than later:

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And, in related news: remember how the Republicans made such large political gains in 2010? How did they do that? They promised everybody smaller, leave-me-alone kind of government, a feeling that resonated well with voters. But as it turns out, once in office, they have done THE EXACT OPPOSITE. Including Republicans demanding to see the *private* e-mails of college professors who wrote essays the GOP happened to disagree with; and the Governor of Maine granting himself the power to *appoint* a 'czar' who, in case of 'emergency', will have the power to remove all the *elected* officials from any town. An idea also known under the term 'coup'.

Rachel Maddow has more about Republicans promising small, leave-mre-alone government, but instead bringing you big, intrusive government:


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Goliath wrote:remember how the Republicans made such large political gains in 2010? How did they do that? They promised everybody smaller, leave-me-alone kind of government, a feeling that resonated well with voters. But as it turns out, once in office, they have done THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
I'm shocked :shock:

They've never done that before. Next thing you know, we'll all find out that Obama campaigned on one thing and has done THE EXACT OPPOSITE too. I mean, why wouldn't these parties want to put an end to these longstanding issues they've been exploiting for years to gain a voter base on the promise of them offering solutions that would only be fulfilled if it weren't for the unempathetic other side standing in the way? I really thought they were on our side this time.

For actual change, you need to vote for something other then an elephant or donkey. I believe doing [voting] the same thing [way] over and over again and expecting different results is insanity.
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At least Obama tried. I dont think he ever intended to do the exact opposite of the change he promised. everyone else stifled it. He at least lowered taxes for the middle class a bit.
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jpanimation wrote:
Goliath wrote:remember how the Republicans made such large political gains in 2010? How did they do that? They promised everybody smaller, leave-me-alone kind of government, a feeling that resonated well with voters. But as it turns out, once in office, they have done THE EXACT OPPOSITE.
I'm shocked :shock:

They've never done that before. Next thing you know, we'll all find out that Obama campaigned on one thing and has done THE EXACT OPPOSITE too. I mean, why wouldn't these parties want to put an end to these longstanding issues they've been exploiting for years to gain a voter base on the promise of them offering solutions that would only be fulfilled if it weren't for the unempathetic other side standing in the way? I really thought they were on our side this time.

For actual change, you need to vote for something other then an elephant or donkey. I believe doing [voting] the same thing [way] over and over again and expecting different results is insanity.
Well of course, you are talking to Goliath- who can't vote in American elections.

But aside from that, can we all agree to be intelligent and grown up about this? Snidely-stated remarks aside, we're talking about two sides who are radically different from each other. The Democrats will let us down because the Republicans make it impossible for anyone to get anything productive done. Why do you think we haven't finally voted that 3rd or 4th party to running America? Because the Republicans re-wrote the political playbook to give them the advantage. To make every election a superficial war between which side the American public think are defending them against terrorists. But that's not even the issue anymore. It's who's in power and what they do with that power. We already know (those of us who admit it, at least) after 8 years of Bush, what Republicans do when they run the country: attempt to destroy it. Continue to run their money sucking scheme, feeding the ultra rich and corporate scum and leading the rest of America (the huge majority, over 70%) into what we're in now: economic jeopardy. All the while, blaming Hollywood and the Democrats for all their fuck-ups. AND their Anti-American attitudes, since they only serve the interests of the upper class (I'm sorry, but the real America was never built by businessmen). Both sides ARE NOT EQUAL in committing these crimes. The Democrats? They might play the same game now in order to win. But they really don't want to destroy America. I think, in addition to the money and the you-scratch-my-back shit, the Democrats need to feel honorable and at least their source of pride comes from reaching out to the American majority the conservatives only pander to whenever they want votes or support. The Democrats will do for us (no matter how little) whether we spit at them or not. LET'S FACE IT, so long as common sense isn't working between us and sure as hell isn't working with most Americans, Democrats are the only chance we've got. If they stay in power long enough, people will see- they shoulda voted for the 3rd or 4th party.
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Elections have become pick the "lesser of the two evils" for far too long. IMO. When one party messes up somewhere the next election the other is a shoe in. It's as if they've stop trying to do something good. They just wait for the party in power to screw up to get in. Not to mention money talks.
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The_Iceflash wrote:Elections have become pick the "lesser of the two evils" for far too long. IMO. When one party messes up somewhere the next election the other is a shoe in.
How true could that be? Bush+Cheney screwed up right away.
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Lazario wrote:Well of course, you are talking to Goliath- who can't vote in American elections.
That's right; we have 10 viable parties in parliament and governments made up of coalitions of two or three different parties.
jpanimation wrote:[...]For actual change, you need to vote for something other then an elephant or donkey. I believe doing [voting] the same thing [way] over and over again and expecting different results is insanity.
I hear your sarcasm and I agree with your sentiments. It's not like I haven't voiced that same opinion before. ;) I just thought it was slightly important to repeat the blatantly unlawfulness of Gov. Walker's actions, and the clearly dictatorial actions of Maine's governor.I don't care who does it: Republicans or Democrats. I'm just calling it out. As does Maddow, who I've seen gone after Democrats more times than I care to remember.
ajmrowland wrote:At least Obama tried. I dont think he ever intended to do the exact opposite of the change he promised. everyone else stifled it. He at least lowered taxes for the middle class a bit.
I never believed Obama would ever even try to bring change. You see, in this day and age, you only become president if 'the system' approves you. You don't get millions of dollars worth of donations from Wall Street and big corporations if you try to stir the pot too much. That's why it's so absurd to see how hard-right media and commentators try to paint Obama as a radical left-winger, when he is anything but that. I wish he were, but he's a center-right politician. The only reason I wanted him to win over McCain-Palin, is because I didn't want their insanity and anti-intellectualism be rewarded.
The_Iceflash wrote:Elections have become pick the "lesser of the two evils" for far too long. IMO. When one party messes up somewhere the next election the other is a shoe in. It's as if they've stop trying to do something good. They just wait for the party in power to screw up to get in. Not to mention money talks.
Completely agreed. This is the problem of the two-party system, combined with the 'winner takes all'-principle and the electoral college. The problem is that there isn't a left and a right in US politics anymore. There's no choice anymore. You can vote for a right-winger or an extreme right-winger. You can vote for a corporatist or an ultra-corporatist. The bad thing is, the politicians know this. Why should Democrats move back to the left and start working for the people again? Leftist voters will *still* vote for them, because they don't want a Republican in power. Just check out Lazario's post. The Democrats are counting on that attitude to keep the votes coming. (That's not an attack, Laz, just stating how I see things.) And as the Democrats keep moving to the right, because they think they have to keep up with Republicans, the Republicans move even *further* to the right. (Can they even get more radical than they are now, with people like Palin and Bachmann?) And thus, the vicious circle continues...

I will say this: a Democrats is always preferred, by me at least, above a Republican. We're seeing now, on state levels, it *does* make a difference. The Democrats are working hard to roll back the anti-union bills from the Republicans. And in Vermont, the Democratic-controlled Congress is now pushing through 'single-payer healthcare' (state-financed/provided medicare for all). So, I'd say, on a state level, it does matter more who's in power. On the national level... not so much. The tax cuts fore the wealthiest 2%; keeping Guantanamo Bay open; continuing indefinite detention for 'enemy combatants' against whom we've got no evidence; escalating the war in Afghanistan: all things a president McCain would've done, too.

But a good thing can come from the upheaval in these states: it looks like it has 'awakened' a so-called 'sleeping giant': the people. When was the last time you saw so many ordinary working people of all political stripes joining forces to protest anti-labor measures? :)
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Republicans are all about deficit-reduction nowadays. Costs have to be cut; spending has to be supressed. Interestingly, over the last 50 years, when in office, Republicans haven't been that good at it. It seems they onlyc are about the deficit when a Democrat is in office. Please take 2,5 minute out of your day to watch this video. And then, send it to all your Republican friends/relatives who still believe in the myth of the "money-spending liberals" and the "fiscally responsible conservatives".

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You guys *have* to check this article out:

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Goliath wrote:Or, to capture it in one image:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/ ... vative.jpg
That picture always gives me fuzzies. :D It needs to be on billboards.
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Goliath wrote:
The_Iceflash wrote:Elections have become pick the "lesser of the two evils" for far too long. IMO. When one party messes up somewhere the next election the other is a shoe in. It's as if they've stop trying to do something good. They just wait for the party in power to screw up to get in. Not to mention money talks.
Completely agreed. This is the problem of the two-party system, combined with the 'winner takes all'-principle and the electoral college. The problem is that there isn't a left and a right in US politics anymore. There's no choice anymore. You can vote for a right-winger or an extreme right-winger. You can vote for a corporatist or an ultra-corporatist. The bad thing is, the politicians know this. Why should Democrats move back to the left and start working for the people again? Leftist voters will *still* vote for them, because they don't want a Republican in power. Just check out Lazario's post. The Democrats are counting on that attitude to keep the votes coming. (That's not an attack, Laz, just stating how I see things.) And as the Democrats keep moving to the right, because they think they have to keep up with Republicans, the Republicans move even *further* to the right. (Can they even get more radical than they are now, with people like Palin and Bachmann?) And thus, the vicious circle continues...

I will say this: a Democrats is always preferred, by me at least, above a Republican. We're seeing now, on state levels, it *does* make a difference. The Democrats are working hard to roll back the anti-union bills from the Republicans. And in Vermont, the Democratic-controlled Congress is now pushing through 'single-payer healthcare' (state-financed/provided medicare for all). So, I'd say, on a state level, it does matter more who's in power. On the national level... not so much. The tax cuts fore the wealthiest 2%; keeping Guantanamo Bay open; continuing indefinite detention for 'enemy combatants' against whom we've got no evidence; escalating the war in Afghanistan: all things a president McCain would've done, too.

But a good thing can come from the upheaval in these states: it looks like it has 'awakened' a so-called 'sleeping giant': the people. When was the last time you saw so many ordinary working people of all political stripes joining forces to protest anti-labor measures? :)
I agree with this! :up:
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Lazario wrote:
The_Iceflash wrote:Elections have become pick the "lesser of the two evils" for far too long. IMO. When one party messes up somewhere the next election the other is a shoe in.
How true could that be? Bush+Cheney screwed up right away.
I honestly believe that at least part of that was the age old tradition of not wanting to change administrations during wartime.
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At least some people in the US recognise that Democrats are about as liberal as a stick up the backside, but it won't stop millions of people labelling them as lefties (social health bill notwithstanding). Not on the global political scale, they're not. Trying to get some Americans to understand that is about as difficult as prising their guns away...

And LOL at the Spitting Image clip, that takes me back ;)

Actually I'm a bit surprised it hadn't been rolled out in the forthcoming election to decide if we'll introduce AV here instead of FPTP. Mind you, for all the good it'll do the Lib Dems here now given the coalition...
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ajmrowland wrote:At least Obama tried. I dont think he ever intended to do the exact opposite of the change he promised. everyone else stifled it. He at least lowered taxes for the middle class a bit.
Not really. As a middle class American I haven't seen any change since Obama was elected. Honestly for my family and I its been slightly worse than the Bush years. Could it be effects from the Bush years just hitting us, or something Obama has done? I'm not sure. Either way each year seems slightly worse.

Another thing that is bugging me a lot lately is the cut to Social Security increases for our retirees. From what I've seen its very sad, and its killing them financially. Everything has gotten more expensive for them (and us), and yet no increase in their income. They are hurting, and really going though their savings... if they have any left.
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The only thing bad about "the Obama years" is that it seems like nothing's happening. I don't blame the worsening circumstances on Obama, but it feels as if we don't even have a president. It's like we're just sitting in the s* that Bush left behind with nobody at the wheel.

This is exactly why I wanted Hillary Clinton for president.
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ajmrowland wrote:At least Obama tried. I dont think he ever intended to do the exact opposite of the change he promised. everyone else stifled it. He at least lowered taxes for the middle class a bit.
Not really. As a middle class American I haven't seen any change since Obama was elected. Honestly for my family and I its been slightly worse than the Bush years. Could it be effects from the Bush years just hitting us, or something Obama has done? I'm not sure. Either way each year seems slightly worse.

Another thing that is bugging me a lot lately is the cut to Social Security increases for our retirees. From what I've seen its very sad, and its killing them financially. Everything has gotten more expensive for them (and us), and yet no increase in their income. They are hurting, and really going though their savings... if they have any left.
If Obama gets another 4 years (impossible, it won't happen), we'll find out the answer to your questions in that term.
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DarthPrime wrote:[...]Another thing that is bugging me a lot lately is the cut to Social Security increases for our retirees. From what I've seen its very sad, and its killing them financially. Everything has gotten more expensive for them (and us), and yet no increase in their income. They are hurting, and really going though their savings... if they have any left.
Under Republican Paul Ryan's budget plan, seniors are in for a treat. It effectively ends Medicare entirely. Instead, seniors will be given a $ 15,000 voucher to buy insurance from a private insurance company. What happens if you're very sick and the isurance company won't cover you, or will only cover you at a much higher cost than $ 15,000? The Republicans have no answer to it. Ex-RNC chair Michael Steele was asked this question by Bill Maher last friday. After much pushing, Steele had to admit he wouldn't know. "We'll have to see how it works out" he says... followed by a massive boo-ing from the audience.

Also in the Republicans' plans: raising retirement age to 70! Yep, I'm not making this up. It is in Ryan's plan. The Republicans' budget plan also provides for hundreds of millions of dollars worth of cuts in Social Security. Yet no abolishing the Bush tax cuts for the richest 2% or any cuts in military spending.

Add to that all the news about Republican governors working hard to destroy the unions and thus any rights ordinary working people have (like collective bargaining), and I must conclude that the Democrats are certainly the 'lesser of two evils'. Not to mention they're the ones protecting you from the theocratic fundamentalist regime the Tea Partiers have in mind for the US.

Disney's Divinity wrote:[...] This is exactly why I wanted Hillary Clinton for president.
But Hillary Clinton's campaign platform was for about 98% equal to Obama's. It was just worded a bit different to give you the illusion you were choosing between two different kinds of politicians. Hillary Clinton, like her husband Clinton, is a product of the DLC, the corporatist faction within the Democratic party that has send the party to the center-right, becoming a clone of the Republicans (until they started moving into a mental hospital). Hillary wouldn't have governed any different than Obama. The Clintons are good personal friends with the Bushes. That alone should tell you everything you ought to know. :wink:
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Goliath wrote:
Disney's Divinity wrote:[...] This is exactly why I wanted Hillary Clinton for president.
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Hillary wouldn't have governed any different than Obama...
I disagree about that. They might have had the same ideas, but I believe Hillary Clinton would've actually made them happen. I just feel that Obama has wasted too much time trying to be "nice."
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