Wave 3 Treasures - Certificates & Numbering Discussion

[Ludwig Von Drake]

I think that the highest, lowest or ones with all the same numbers are the most interesting.

[Edge]

i could care less about a number. the day i become more interested about a number, selling the iteam, potential values or having it sit on my shelf is the day I lose touch with everything these works of art are supposed to be about.

[xpern]

I agree Edge. I couldn't care less about the numbers.

For me it would be ok to skip the tins alltogether and stop this limited edition nonsense. I love the cartoons, not the wrapping!!

[Sully]

Hey guys, posting a question does not mean automatic agreement with the subject matter. I don't collect "low numbers" but I AM interested in how the new format may affect those that do.

Live and let live I say, and if someone gets happiness from owning a 1/XXXXX tin, what's the big deal?

[ghost999]

Has anyone questioned what happened to the original number stamped tin collections that were produced and ready to be sent out back in 2003? I don’t remember any talk of the stamping going away in favor of the certificate insert. Now we have many instances of people getting TWO certificates in their packages. Some poor soul will feel really cheated if they open their package and don’t find a numbered certificate. I know I would. People hate to admit it, but a small part of the TREASURES mystic is the exclusivity of it. With the outside numbering removed and the mistakes with the certificates inside this has all been tainted. Does anyone know if the numbers produced were for all regions?

[Class316]

I guess Eisner took them away.

[swray1024]

Upon further review i have only one certificate in each of my Treasures.

[brick74]

What about this?

Some tin gets two certificates. The last one gets none. Does the last tin get caught by Quality Control before it's closed up?

What if the presence of tins with multiple certificates means that the actual print run gets lowered?

[Bill W]

Quality control issues happen with everything. When I bought the Ultimate Treasure Chest at Costco last year, I took it home to show my wife and she asked why it had two Davey Crocketts in it. I looked at it closer, and sure enough, it had two of the orange-labeled Davey Crocketts and no red-labeled Mickey Mouse in Living Color. I hadn't opened it yet so I just returned it for a complete set.

So whether the certificate inserts are put in by hand or machine, mistakes do happen that don't get caught. As for Disney fudging the numbers, I highly doubt it.

[quasi72]

I guess that Property Control is not 100% right if I got 2 certificates in my Donald Treasures and somebody else explained before that they got 2 cd 1s of Behind the Scenes @ WD Studios.

These cases are cool, I think: to get more than expected. However, I'd been very upset if one of my dvds didn't have one of its components.

[Paka]

I could care less about a number. The day I become more interested about a number, selling the item, potential values or having it sit on my shelf is the day I lose touch with everything these works of art are supposed to be about.

Right on, Edge. I buy the WDTs because I'm interested in the content, not in the way it's gussied up. The limited edition thing isn't the best idea either, I think. It limits the potential audience for these excellent shorts, features, and tv specials, and only causes fanatic collectors and hoarders to eat up the available supply by buying extra copies to stash away, or to resell on eBay.

I kinda laugh at the certificate thing, too. Something as simple as an alternate, last-ditch effort to properly number the fast-tracked WDTs is gonna result in some not-so-pretty consequences. Not only are we getting botched releases with too many certificates in 'em, but do you know how easy it would be to "forge" a fake certificate with a low serial number, just to up the price on eBay? You couldn't do that too easily when the number was stamped into the metal casing itself.

[AwallaceUNC]

What about this?

Some tin gets two certificates. The last one gets none. Does the last tin get caught by Quality Control before it's closed up?

What if the presence of tins with multiple certificates means that the actual print run gets lowered?

Well, I would just view that as one of the tins belonged to Disney, but was still printed. I'm sure Eisner gets a copy himself anyways, lol.

Paka- It would be somewhat easy to forge, I bet, but then you'd have to break the seal and open it up, which decreases the value.

-Aaron

[brick74]

"Well, I would just view that as one of the tins belonged to Disney, but was still printed. I'm sure Eisner gets a copy himself anyways, lol."


Anyone want to place bets that Eisner gets to pick the number he gets?

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Do we have reason to believe that Eisner cares about the Treasures at all?

[Paka]

Well, for this wave, Aaron, it would depend on if an eBay bidder wanted a low number or a sealed tin. One way or the other. The smart ones will probably bid on still-sealed tins, though. Whatever. Obsessive speculation ending... NOW.

[AwallaceUNC]

So about how long do you give the Treasures' shelf-lives? How long 'till they are more or less sold out (rapidly approaching that, it seems), and then how long we start to see some real value in the re-sale market on eBay?

-Aaron

[Sully]

The key is to sell close enough to Xmas to get the holiday dollars, but not wait long enough for Disney to issue another of those Costco Collections.

[AwallaceUNC]

Hmm, will it really take that long to shoot up in price? I just need to sell each of the 3 I bough for $46 to make back what I borrowed from the parental units

Also, if Wave 4 is released in time for the holidays this year, that may change the eBay market for them, as dollars will probably be directed to the new sets.

-Aaron

[Edge]

What I worry is that the average fan or the younger ones miss out on these classics. I mean imagine if we were all little kids again and maybe our parents didn't have a costco membership and {lets be honest} finding these things in stores can be a matter of luck depending on where you live.

I just think the whole idea behind this character was to be shared with the world and entertain millions. Instead they've become something to be snatched up by people and hidden and collected. It could be argued that had this happened in the begining, we wouldn't even have a forum to discuss these characters about because a limited number of people would have seen them.

[Sully]

Also, if Wave 4 is released in time for the holidays this year, that may change the eBay market for them, as dollars will probably be directed to the new sets.

You could be right about that, assuming that Disney hits the date this year. I still think Donald is the safest bet to rise in price, but I don't know if I'd be too confident sitting on a case of Front Lines or Tomorrowland.

The Costco Collection has also changed the rules, and I wonder if people will just hold off on buying on EBay, and just wait for the inevitable re-issue? Are there more Tins out there than Disney is admitting?

I think I've just spelled out why I don't speculate on these things.