Reminds me, I'm due for a re-waftch of Pinocchio. Which of course is pretty much only going to happen after I've finished buying the more out-of-print Disney classics, then the discs considerably older such as the rest of the Gold Classic Collection titles not yet upgraded. In short... Maybe November... safe estimate?Goliath wrote:Either Snow White or Pinocchio, bro'.Lazario wrote:Oh, and I did also notice that you said you thought Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs might be Disney's greatest film / animated film.
I was dearly hoping that as a given, you would have personally decided to never reply to anything I've posted. Ever. Because it would take you maybe 2 minutes worth of doing research on me on this board to see we are polar opposites. The kind that are never supposed to meet. We've also never gotten in a debate yet. I haven't forgotten what you said about gay people last year. And I don't think you saw my reply to that - all for the best, I gather. Based on all this, it's probably a good idea that this exchange end here. And I mean, all exchanges between us ever. I wouldn't blame you if you didn't want the hassle (before it becomes one) either.milojthatch wrote:I firmly believe that people that get PC with Peter Pan don't get Pan and never will. I'm sorry to tell you this, but Peter Pan is most likely the most Un-PC character ever created.Lazario wrote:However, there are a great many sources of imperfection here. Obviously the one that sticks out the most is Disney's unbelievable portrayal of Native Americans. I've never been a stickler for historical accuracy, but this is downright mocking and ridiculous. The "What Makes the Red Man Red" number can still be enjoyed for the quality of the music but everything else in the scene is just cringe-inducing. Still, there is something other than this that gets me. The moment where Wendy first meets Peter is the one that really gets under my skin. They truly forced her "I have to say a lot right now or else Peter's next line won't work." The moment where he says "girls talk too much" would automatically make any hero unsympathetic. But that's not the worst of it- what's worse is they seek to prove him right by insisting Wendy's an airhead and giving her a behavior she doesn't have in any other scene of the movie.
Now back to our regularly-scheduled program:
Being an Anti-PC warrior is one thing. Some people are able to make that attitude work - though it's, due to its' highly confrontational tone when expressed, not easy - by being consistent in character and very "I don't give a ..." in many if not all aspects of their scope of opinion. Those people are usually too busy living their life to also care about choosing a side, left or right. In general, they really "don't give a ..." But when someone outs themselves as a hater or a conservative... well, they're just as weak as the people who they think would find a movie like Peter Pan offensive because it's "just not nice to minorities or people who've been through hardship." You probably think I fall into that latter category. Or that anyone who would take the time to mention it does as well. That's where you've forgotten to reference my reply to Goliath where I say clear as day it doesn't really bother me. There's something more problematic or troublesome at the core. And I've already dealt with that. So, this is not an issue. Nor are you ever going to be able to burn almost anyone on the board with judgments you might have of P.C. culture. So what's say we all stop giving a... about anyone's assumed toughness when it comes to what they view as a mafia trying to enforce P.C. Because we all have a right to complain when something's just flat-out annoying!
And you think that's the only thing that irritated viewers? And I mean, those who actually bothered to watch it. What ever happened to people just realizing that movie was at least 40 years too late to be a sequel?milojthatch wrote:Disney themselves tried later to PC up Pan with "Return to Neverland" and the outcome was most likely the WORST interpretation of the character EVER!
Congratulations! You just pointed out the obvious!milojthatch wrote:Peter Pan is a childish hero. That is the point. His view of other cultures isn't going to be flattering. His view on women, the same thing. That is the whole point of the story in that Wendy, the true hero of the story, has an unrealistic view of Pan and growing up period. Through her interaction with Pan, she learns the necessity to grow up.
Everyone knows that.
I didn't know people could change stories and movies just by criticizing them. That's a lot of power. And to that, I say; "IF ONLY!"milojthatch wrote:TO complain and take away the un-PC elements of the story is to take away the heart of the story in the first pace.
Well, wait and see what the children have to say... You go, tell the story to a group of young children, then ask them what they thought of it.milojthatch wrote:It gets to the point where you may as well stop telling the story at all.
Oh, and be sure to ask them what kind of a commentary they think it is on or from the viewpoint of the current state of Political Correctness.
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