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Which DVDs make the grade???

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Since we don't have any high profile Disney DVD releases planned anytime soon (the next being in October :(), I was thinking we, as a forum, pass judgement on the DVDs/Blu-rays that we already have. Everyday I will post a new DVD/Blu-ray, and we will give them a grade in each of its corresponding sections. They will be grades A-F. With doing this, we will be able to pass a few of the months in which we have to wait for Beauty and the Beast. The next day I will tally up the votes and give an overall grade and percentage according to our votes, and then I will place it on a scoreboard. Sound good? Well, the categories are :
-Presentation (Cover art, menu designs, disc art):
-Film Value:
-Video:
-Audio:
-Extras:

Please don't give it an overall grade, as I will do that the next day. Anyway, lets start with an easy one.....

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Platinum DVD/Diamond Blu-Ray

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-Presentation (Cover art, menu designs, disc art): I have both the old DVD and the new Blu-ray. I dislike how the witch is so huge in the Blu-ray cover, and how Snow White's head is so huge in the old DVD cover. The menu desgins and disc art are solid, but I can't get over the cover art. B
-Film Value: Disney's first, and one of his greatest. It still holds up well today. A
-Video: When the original DVD was released, the colors were stunning, and with the Blu-ray being released, it is also stunning. I can't say anything wrong about it.A
-Audio:Not perfect, but what can you expect from a 73 year old movie???? C
-Extras:Both the DVD and Blu-ray are absolutley stuffed with extras. I am really surprised the managed to scrape up some new things for the blu-ray. Quite excellent!A
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 2-disc Special Edition DVD (2009)

-Presentation: The cover art is a lot less attractive than that of the original 2001 edition, but it's still okay, certainly compared to the Bluray-version. The disc art is also fine. The menus on the DVD are very bare-bones and simplistic, not good at all. So overall I'd give it a B

EDIT TO ADD: The Dutch dvd (which I own) has the cover art of the American 'dvd + bluray', and that's the one I judged. I don't like the American dvd cover at all.

-Film value: One of Disney's best Classics (if not 'the' best), so it's an A.

-Video: Great restauration; looks fantastic on DVD: A.

-Audio: I can't hear anything wrong with it: A.

-Extras: Very, very disappointing. A lot of what was on the 2001 DVD hasn't been carried over, and there's no reason for leaving it off the new edition. I can understand Blu-exclusive features (although I don't agree with it), but the fact that so much wasn't ported over from the old DVD was a shame. So it's a D.
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2001 Platinum Edition

Presentation: The cover art is very nice. The menus are very advanced for their age. Disc art is beautiful. For presentation, I present it with an A-.

Film Value: Honestly, the film is very historical, but I think it's just a little over ok. B

Video: The film doesn't look like a (then) 65-year old film. The images are beautiful. A-

Audio: Very simplistic. True to the original film. B+

Special Features: Absolutely wonderful! Probably the BEST supplemental package I've ever owned on DVD. A+

Overall Grade: A-


2009 Diamond Edition Blu-ray

Presentation: The Blu-ray cover is horrendous. What the hell is the witch doing in the center of "Snow White"? The DVD case version is a lot more attractive with Snow White in the center and the witch on the bottom. The discs are uniform with the other Disney blu-rays, which I'm not a fan of. For the Blu-ray packaging, B-. For the DVD packaging, B+.

Film Value: Same. B

Video: VERY nicely restored from the original elements. This high-definition presentation is breathtaking! A

Audio: Same. B+

Special Features: The Hyperion Studios feature is a very nice addition to this new set, but a lot is missing from the original DVD. The update of "Disney Through the Decades" is nice, and it's an overall nice supplemental package. (The book included in the book set is also a wonderful addition.) A-

Overall Grade: B+
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First let me just say....GREAT TOPIC!!!

As for Snow White:

2001 dvd:

Presentation: BEautiful cover. Not a great layout, but very smartly chosen imagery, and characters are on-model for once! The menus though...it takes too long to go from menu to menu, because of all the effects and talk from the magic mirror... B

Film Value: I think the film has some pacing issues, but overall a GREAT film. A-

Video: Looks amazing, tho there is a mild greenish tint to it. A-

Audio: True to the original, but CLEAN. A

Special Features: AMAZING. Can't think of anything missing. Possibly the best I have seen on a dvd.

Overall Grade: A-

2009 edition: I don't own it. But...

Presentation: The cover is cluttered, characters are poorly drawn, both considering anatomy, perspective and their fidelity to the originals. C-


Special Features: The fact that this didn't make me want to double-dip is pretty troubling. From what I have read, there is a lot of gloss and little content. And the special features on the dvd are a joke. D-

Overall Grade: D+ (as compared to the 2001 dvd_
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-Presentation: Ugly cover art but I like the Hyperion Studio menu. B
-Film Value: Great movie. A
-Video: Probably as good as it will ever get. A
-Audio: Probably as good as it will ever get. A
-Extras: High quantity for sure but could've used a little more material on Snow White and a little less on the Hyperion Studio (as far a I'm concerned the Silly Symphony shorts are a waste). B
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We are going to keep this DVD going till tomorrow, as I would like a few more responses. Thanks to those who have commented, and lets get some more report cards up!!
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Coolmanio wrote:We are going to keep this DVD going till tomorrow, as I would like a few more responses. Thanks to those who have commented, and lets get some more report cards up!!
I think one day per dvd is too short. Not everybody has the time to check UD every day. Good thread, by the way!
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Yeah, cool idea for a thread!

Platinum Edition:
-Presentation: A+
-Film Value: A
-Video: A-
-Audio: B+
-Extras: A+

Diamond Edition:
-Presentation: B+
-Film Value: A
-Video: A+
-Audio: B+
-Extras: A
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Platinum Edition DVD (2001):
-Presentation: A
-Film Value: A
-Video: A
-Audio: A
-Extras: A+

Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs Diamond Edition Blu-ray (2009):
-Presentation: The cover of the the Blu-ray case is ugly because of witch in the middle of the picture. I prefer the DVD case cover because Snow White is on the middle. Blu-ray Case: D. Blu-ray DVD Case: A
-Film Value: A
-Video: A
-Audio: A
-Extras: A- Some bonus features from the Platinum Edition weren't on the Diamond Edition.
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Goliath wrote:
Coolmanio wrote:We are going to keep this DVD going till tomorrow, as I would like a few more responses. Thanks to those who have commented, and lets get some more report cards up!!
I think one day per dvd is too short. Not everybody has the time to check UD every day. Good thread, by the way!
It would probably make more sense to leave them up for a few days, so I will probably do that.
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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs 2001 Platinum Edition:
Presentation- A-
The cover art is ok, but a bit drab. The menu with the magic mirror is fantastic, and I actually like the disc art better than the cover art.

Film Value- A+
It's amazing how well held up it's reputation is, and it's worth every minute.

Video- A
I see nothing wrong.

Audio- B+
A little scratchy, but that's bearable.

Extras- A+
A great wealth of info, with smooth navigation.


Can't judge the others since I don't own them. :oops:
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Ok, I think 3 days is enough. Here is Snow White's report card:

Presentation: B+
Film Value: A
Video: A
Audio: A-
Extras: A-

Overall Grade: A (93.4%)

Great job guys!!! I am not putting up a leader board as of yet, because we only have one DVD. Anywho, teachers can't rest with so much work to be done, here is the next DVD(I'll post my grade later):

Peter Pan Platinum Edition DVD

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Coolmanio wrote:Since we don't have any high profile Disney DVD releases planned anytime soon (the next being in October :()
So does that mean Fantasia's going to be a no-go for May?

Coolmanio wrote:Well, the categories are :
-Presentation (Cover art, menu designs, disc art):
-Film Value:
-Video:
-Audio:
-Extras:

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-Presentation (Cover art, menu designs, disc art): A

Comments
* Package is thicker than it needs to be (but I say this after being spoiled by the thinner-2 disc sets that they started releasing, as far as I know, with 2003's Sleeping Beauty Special Edition).

* Case / cover art is excellent on the front, functional on the back. I rated the cover an 8.5 here

* Menus are set to original music from the movie, I can't tell you how important that is (and how much I'm gonna DOCK the Cinderella Platinum Edition when we get to it for deciding to do new instrumental versions) and look gorgeous! The animation of the audio guided / virtual touring photo galleries is incredible (the fact that the Sleeping Beauty Special Edition copied the look of the castle thing is one of the main reasons I had to have that DVD before buying the Platinum Edition). However, this is where I had to subtract points (from an A+ to an A) : when you click on some of the choices - and there are a ton - we are forced to sit through some animation we can't skip through and especially in the Scrapbook gallery and the Tours with Roy Disney on the 1st disc, we don't always want to see this footage. I know I don't always want to see it. A choice to skip would be great.

* I also have to complain about this somewhere. It's not a huge deal, but I do not like how when the movie plays, we can't switch audio tracks with the Audio button on our remote. Especially when there is an animated thing that takes you from the main menu into each sub-menu, which you can't always skip through (some you can, some you can't).


-Film Value: C+

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If you want classic-Disney magic, you'll get quite a bit here. Because it's art quality is ridiculously high. Great music, beautiful animation, some scenes are incredibly heady and that's one of my favorite things about all Disney movies. The only times I think the art is honestly at fault is the just plain dumb "Bluddle Uddle Um Dum" scene, the fact that the animals are often sickening- their cloying dumb-happy facial expressions are at times too much, and the music sometimes trying to make a beat-accompaniment for onscreen action. This bothered me 3 times. 1- Snow White's triple knock on the cottage door. 2- The deer's triple kick at Sleepy after he swats a fly on the deer's rear (what is this, a kung-fu movie?). 3- Snow White whacking the dust rag outside the cottage window.

But, I can't excuse the movie for the blatant and unapologetic way the writers made the Snow White character so stupid. I will never let-go the scene where she patronizes the Dwarfs as they try to warn her when they leave to go to the mine. Also, she treats them like children when they're anything but. They're full-grown men. They're just short because they're Dwarfs. I can obviously more-than forgive Disney for not making them horny old creeps, but it's not charming that they actually start acting like children just because she shows up and treats them that way. They're old enough to be her grandfathers and she treats them like she's the mother just because she's taller. That takes a lot of nerve for a character and I don't find that as cute as other people might. In fact, it's even more insulting when you take into account the way some people might be inclined to treat older people like invalids or like they need to be mothered / fathered just because they have gray hair or for reasons equally as trivial.


-Video: B-

It could be my copy of the DVD but I seriously doubt it - the animation does not flow as smoothly as it should. I noticed a few moments where the frame jerked or stuck or something while the music played normally (not just the Queen rowing through the mist in the swamp, I know now that that is the way the scene was filmed, it's exactly the same as on my VHS). This is not the fault of my player. You can see this in the scene where Snow White is in the forest after the animals first start to come out to see her. At some point, they hop over a log (rabbits or chipmunks, not sure which) and something goes wrong with the frame. Also, I believe it's possible some of the dissolves in the opening credits sequence had this problem as well. Other than that, the movie looks great.


-Audio: C

Obvious age issues aside- it doesn't sound very clear. This doesn't lead to much of the hissing/scratching sort of thing but it does present a distraction or a gap in quality when compared to later Disney DVD presentations of early classic films. The 5.1 is also not very dynamic. But, in 2001- was this the best the film had ever sounded? Probably.


-Extras: A

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Obviously, this is a freaking incredible amount of stuff to see and go through. My lone problem is that the menus are quite hard to navigate. Anyone else agree? I didn't take off the + for that reason, and I probably should have mentioned this in the first grading area. But...too late now. What I am deducting the + for is D.B. Sweeney. I don't want to always be the one to say something that gets people raising their eyebrows, but darn it all... this guy is too intense for a cutesy Disney retrospective thing. He's a freak. His hair is disturbing! His face is disturbing! His voice is the sound of being raped, if that could have a signature sound. But I think that's enough of that...

The extras are very thorough (just short of a 50-something minute full documentary and I saw some stuff on YouTube once that I'm really not happy they didn't include, it included the voice of Snow White I think and some of the animators at this movie opening or convention, I think it was probably for Snow White in the 80's I think it was). Initially, I was unhappy about the fact that the Tricks of Our Trade episode excerpt is the same on here as on Bambi's Platinum Edition. But for everything else, I was extremely happy. Especially the 2 original 1930's promotional featurettes. The "Trip Through Walt Disney Studios" and "How Walt Disney Cartoons Are Made." Also, loved "The Goddess of Spring" (which is also my avatar right now if you look). I actually thought they did a great job with the Dopey's Mine Ride thing Game. I've played it more than once, which is a good sign. And the voices for the Mirror and the Witch-Queen are a lot better than the voices they got for the Owl and the young rabbit on the games for Bambi.

Also... where the hell did they get that full-version of the deleted scene to the Witch-Queen sorta chanting to her cauldron? Did they re-fully animate this sequence for television at some point? I was also very impressed with how far they went to fully animate the "Music in Your Soup" number, even though it lacked full color because it looked very cool. But then I heard Disney showed this clip on one of their old TV shows. So of course the Archives people had the full thing. Still, great to have it, obviously. The trailers are great. I actually kinda liked the big "Disney Through the Decades" thing. I love all the Restoration featurettes on these DVD's. I guess they kinda made up for not having a longer documentary / featurette thing by putting up so many mini-featurettes for things like Camera Tests and the Voice Talent thing. All that stuff. I haven't tried to listen to the commentary or anything. Not yet.
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Lazario wrote:Also... where the hell did they get that full-version of the deleted scene to the Witch-Queen sorta chanting to her cauldron? Did they re-fully animate this sequence for television at some point?
It was actually planned to be in the film, but got cut by Walt at the last minute.
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Coolmanio wrote:Peter Pan Platinum Edition DVD

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Presentation: A-

Comments
* Menus play original music from the movie, the animated menus look amazing. Even the CGI for the cheesy, lame games is very, very cool. I think there may be one menu that uses a replacement / new instrumental music track and I still thought it was very good.

* The cover art is quite nice, of course. The best of the 3 releases in that regard. I rated it an 8. The individual discs' artwork is/are very pretty.

* Menus are very easy to navigate through (mostly because there's so little on them, but I still like the easy-navigation).

* The one source of complaint here is all the unnecessary screens we're forced to have to skip through... and some won't allow us to skip. "Walt Disney Home Video" or whatever is one thing. FBI Warning is another- we knew that was coming. But there are at least 3 more if you press Play on the main menu. I personally avoid doing that altogether by going to the Chapter menu, selecting 2, and then just pressing 1 on my DVD remote- takes me right to the beginning.


Film Value: C-

Comments
The animation here of course is some of Disney's all-time most stunning. The Mary Blair backgrounds are jaw-dropping. The music is very well-written. Though the songs are real hummers- they're also the type I wouldn't be caught dead singing in public. The hero characters are not very likable at all, nor are they any real fun- unless somewhat spastic tweenage boys have a habit of motivating your energy level up. However, the villains in typical Disney fashion are a lot of fun. Bill Thompson as Mr. Smee is enjoyably silly, and Hans Conried as Captain Hook and George Darling is a freaking riot. Also, his scenes with the crocodile are hysterical. I don't think I've ever laughed as hard with this movie as I did last night, watching it again for the first time in about 3 years. The way he screams makes me grin and giggle thinking about it right now, as I type this. The slapstick hijinks in the cave and on the lifeboat are hilarious.

However, there are a great many sources of imperfection here. Obviously the one that sticks out the most is Disney's unbelievable portrayal of Native Americans. I've never been a stickler for historical accuracy, but this is downright mocking and ridiculous. The "What Makes the Red Man Red" number can still be enjoyed for the quality of the music but everything else in the scene is just cringe-inducing. Still, there is something other than this that gets me. The moment where Wendy first meets Peter is the one that really gets under my skin. They truly forced her "I have to say a lot right now or else Peter's next line won't work." The moment where he says "girls talk too much" would automatically make any hero unsympathetic. But that's not the worst of it- what's worse is they seek to prove him right by insisting Wendy's an airhead and giving her a behavior she doesn't have in any other scene of the movie.

The theme of female jealousy in this movie is overbearing. Yet, all the women are portrayed as very young girls. Nice to know their first touch of romance is spoiled because they're forced into competition with each other. Over one boy. Everyone else is too young for them. Or, too old- in the case of the Indians (but I'll get back to them in a second) and the pirates. The mermaids live there and in all that time, they weren't able to find another male to swoon over? Oh, and when they attack Wendy- Peter laughs at her. Again, not doing much to make him likable. And out of nowhere, Tinkerbell is self-conscious of her hips. Hello! She can't even be with Peter anyway, he's not only too young to want to be in a romantic relationship- he's too large for her. Although, I thought that very short scene after the bomb goes off was very sweet and very well-done. And lastly... even in animation a scene of the Lost Boys and the Indians fighting is awkward and too bizarre.


Video: A

What's there to say? The transfer is impeccable. Everything looks utterly perfect. And more than any other Disney classic animated film on DVD I've seen so far, I was really in awe of how beautiful the shots are / the animation. I was never distracted by the transfer because of their bad handling of dissolves (CINDERELLA!!!) or light coming up or draining out.


Audio: B+

I had to turn the volume up very loudly but after that, never had to turn it down. There's like no bass to speak of on the 5.1, but everything - music and sound effects - was remarkably clear and strong. A few scenes even seemed to have sounds travel from left to right.


Extras: C-

Comments
Since I never bought the previous Special Edition (because it wasn't a 2-discer), I don't know what might be missing and what is definitely on the new disc. I just imagine that all the crappy stuff is new and the meaty bonuses are ported over. So with that in mind, I have to say this disc offers up 4 really excellent bonuses.

The old VHS / laserdisc featurette is excellent (anyone else notice these things were all produced by "TV is OK!"? Check the end credits of this one, the ones for Jungle Book, Sleeping Beauty, Fun and Fancy Free, and the 38-minute one on Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs), the 12-minute 1952 promotional featurette is great too, and I really appreciated both the deleted "Pirate Song" and the 20-minute collection of original concepts not used for the final film (I believe both of these are brand new to this set, after taking a look at Allmovie.com).

Just read Jack Seiley's review of the Special Edition disc and now I have to imagine that this new release has quite a bit more in the Photo / Art Gallery department. 'm I wrong? There still doesn't seem to be nearly as many photos total as there were on the Snow White, Bambi, or Sleeping Beauty DVD's. Is there a reason for that? Either way, I breezed through them all in less than 15 minutes. Usually, these take me well over an hour! Including the one for the later-released Jungle Book 2-disc.

I still haven't done the audio commentary for any Disney DVD yet. I watched the featurette about Tinker Bell once when I rented the bonus disc from Netflix last fall and remember thinking it wasn't too shabby. Since buying the Platinum Edition last month... I haven't had the stomach to sit through it again. Crappy new music, crappy sound effects, lame camera / CGI tricks, annoying narrator, and the interviews are almost jammed into hard-to-find places. Not to mention, surrounded by more awful narration. Instead of being informative, it's just irritating. What little information we are given other than among the interviews is too easy to ignore. Obviously, this is geared more toward the kids than the adults. Shouldn't it, then, have been put on the first disc? Or at least not in the Backstage Disney section.

I'm registering that one ^ as a formal complaint. But that's not all... Now we come to the new music additions. Page O'Hara's "Never-Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeever-Laaaand!" is so bad, I nearly vomited up the Pear-flavored yogurt I was eating at the time. I'm sorry but, aren't the pop-hip hop tracks supposed to be the worst music videos on this set? Which of course... oh yeah... there's more than 1 new music video here. As though the former's attempt to class this set up by bringing it back to Barbra Streisand's cover of "Some Day My Prince Will Come" on the Snow White Platinum wasn't agonizing enough... it's a multi-ethnic kids' singing / dancing troupe doing a cover of "Second Star on the Right." I'm only surprised they couldn't find anybody to do "We Can Fly!" I'm also a bit surprised to find out that of all the opening-credits songs for Disney's 50's movies (Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp, Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty) that this one is the one Disney themselves consider a huge hit. It's flatter than both the ones from Alice in Wonderland and Sleeping Beauty... though not outright bad, like "Cinderellll-a."

I finally beat that stupid Tink's Flying thing last night. I thought the point was to do exactly what the compass told you to do as fast as you could (that's the only way you can win that acorn-falling thing on the Bambi DVD). Instead, you're supposed to wait a couple seconds before pressing the corresponding arrow. I beat the Sudoku thing first time out. And I don't remember the other game. After all this complaining, I actually have something nice to say about the whole Virtual Flight thing. I kinda said it already when I said even the menu's CGI stuff looks cool. But I thought this thing was really cool! Much like the Virtual Forest thing on the Bambi DVD.

Anyway, back to bitching. I'm sure this sentiment has already been expressed here by everyone else who's talked about the DVD over the last 3 years, but I'll say it again... the "English Read Along" bonus on Disc 2... : W-T-F?!?! They just do the entire movie over in English subtitles and some incredibly cheap pics of the faces of the characters. They didn't even bother to separate the mother and the father's heads! Did anyone else see that? That's cheap! That's cheaper than putting the lyrics up on the Sing-Along clips of the same damn text as you find in the English subtitles when you Play the movie. They obviously only did this to pad Disc 2 to make it look like there was more on it. It's also just about the most forehead-slapping thing Disney has ever done for a DVD. At least... this side of the ESPN bonus on the Cinderella Platinum. And lastly... no bonus cartoons?
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Peter Pan 2-disc Platinum Edition, or: The 'Disney didn't care about dvd before Blu came along either' edition.

Presentation: C.

Peter and Tink look good enough on the cover, but the rest is abysmal. Same goes for disc art. Menus are fine.

Film: B.

I'm more forgiving than Lazario when it comes to the Indians. They're presented the ways little kids see them when they play cowboy. I doubt anyone at Disney's at that time really saw Indians like that. And Kimball's animation is great. The steroetyping of women... well, it was the 1950's after all, and the film isn't out of tone with other Hollywood products of that time.

Video and Audio: both A.

Bonus features: D.

Extremely disappointing, especially for a 2-disc set. Not even a new documentary. Compared to all other Platinums, this is the lowest.
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Goliath wrote:I'm more forgiving than Lazario when it comes to the Indians.
Well - give this guy a tolerance award. Hurry up. He's earned it. :D

You know actually, I didn't care that much about it myself. It's more the fact that Disney themselves didn't care very much about the integrity of just about anything. Including the list of things I've pointed out here and movies I've mentioned over my years on the board, including Bambi and Beauty and the Beast. I didn't say it ruined the movie. Because I know it's Disney. And I accept it without being blinded from it. It's like an old-fashioned family member you always have to apologize for. And you're like my brother who doesn't care how offensive it can be sometimes. Let's say all of us on this board are like family, some people are more embarrassed than others. But as you may have noticed, just because I have issues with Bambi and Lady and the Tramp, doesn't mean I exclude them from my home. However, that doesn't make them in any way exempt from criticism. And for me to write it off by saying it's always just old-fashioned is a cop out. For you... I don't know. Am I my brother's keeper?

(Remember, that's just a metaphor / analogy : do not take literally)


Oh, and I did also notice that you said you thought Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs might be Disney's greatest film / animated film. Sorry but you know I can't go along with that, nor did I forget you said it when I clicked on this topic and read the post this reply is a response to.
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Lazario wrote:Oh, and I did also notice that you said you thought Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs might be Disney's greatest film / animated film.
Either Snow White or Pinocchio, bro'.

Where are all the grades? Keep 'em coming, people!
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Lazario wrote:
However, there are a great many sources of imperfection here. Obviously the one that sticks out the most is Disney's unbelievable portrayal of Native Americans. I've never been a stickler for historical accuracy, but this is downright mocking and ridiculous. The "What Makes the Red Man Red" number can still be enjoyed for the quality of the music but everything else in the scene is just cringe-inducing. Still, there is something other than this that gets me. The moment where Wendy first meets Peter is the one that really gets under my skin. They truly forced her "I have to say a lot right now or else Peter's next line won't work." The moment where he says "girls talk too much" would automatically make any hero unsympathetic. But that's not the worst of it- what's worse is they seek to prove him right by insisting Wendy's an airhead and giving her a behavior she doesn't have in any other scene of the movie.
I firmly believe that people that get PC with Peter Pan don't get Pan and never will. I'm sorry to tell you this, but Peter Pan is most likely the most Un-PC character ever created.

Disney themselves tried later to PC up Pan with "Return to Neverland" and the outcome was most likely the WORST interpretation of the character EVER!

Peter Pan is a childish hero. That is the point. His view of other cultures isn't going to be flattering. His view on women, the same thing. That is the whole point of the story in that Wendy, the true hero of the story, has an unrealistic view of Pan and growing up period. Through her interaction with Pan, she learns the necessity to grow up. However, thanks to her interactions with Hook, that one must not grow up completely.

Pan is the worst in childhood and Hook to worst in adulthood. When you really get down to it, they are the same character in many ways. Wendy learns to find a balance between the two extremes, and thus how to live a better life and be a better person.

TO complain and take away the un-PC elements of the story is to take away the heart of the story in the first pace. It gets to the point where you may as well stop telling the story at all.
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Coolmanio wrote:Peter Pan Platinum Edition DVD

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I generally don't care what the cover or disc art looks like, it's what's actually contained in the discs that count. But I will say that I like the style of the cover art (even if it suffers from Floating Head Syndrome), though I don't like the font used for the title. And Wendy looks stoned as she's flying.

Video: A

It looks fine, regardless if the color palette doesn't match the old 1990 VHS (obviously, though I remember when the Platinum came out, some people thought that's the version of colors they should've gotten :roll:) and is slightly better than the 2002 DVD.

Audio: A

The mono track is excellent. I don't bother with the 5.1 unless the movie was originally made that way.

Extras: D-
I'd have given it an outright F for the sheer laziness of the DVD producers, but there is quality among the crap.

The extras that were carried over from the 1998 laserdisc and 2002 DVD are all excellent. Even the far-too-short-to-be-called-documentary "You Can Fly!" documentary. The commentary is one of my favorites, I often call it an audio documentary because of its structure and amount of information. I still enjoy "The Peter Pan Story" though I would have liked to have seen original trailers for the film as well. And I'm glad the gallery got extended (from 62 stills to 463! 463!).

The three new features in Backstage Disney amount to less than 40 minutes of material, and that's pitiful. While "The Peter Pan that Almost Was" documentary and "In Walt's Words" are very good, the Tinker Bell featurette simply fawns over the character without spending much time talking about her, and while they (understandably) reused pieces of Marc Davis' 1998 interview about her, surely they could've used pieces that we haven't seen already.

More importantly, I'm royally pissed off that Disney didn't bother creating an all-new documentary, this is the only Platinum to not have one. When it was announced in Fall 2006 that Peter Pan was being pushed ahead of schedule (to promote the new Tinker Bell movie, which ironically got pushed back a year), one of the casualties of this was the lack of supplements. It's a lot less than Platinums are used to getting, and what was included simply was NOT ENOUGH.

However, the biggest insult of all is found in Games & Activities. While there are three fairly good games in Camp Never Land, they also waste a lot of disc space by including that horribly useless "English Read-Along" version of Peter Pan which essentially is the entire movie, re-encoded on the second disc in lower quality and with color-changing subtitles (that feature the character's head so you know which character is talking). Whoever thought that would be a valuable extra should be shot. Especially as that 77 minutes could've been used towards "The Walt Disney Christmas Show" from 1951 and additional Backstage Disney featurettes (like, oh I don't know, a new documentary, a biographic feature on J.M. Barrie, a tribute to Bobby Driscoll, etc.).

It's rather laughable that Music & More contains two deleted songs ("The Pirate Song" and "Never Land") and yet does not contain two deleted songs that are on the soundtrack: "Never Smile at a Crocodile" and "The Boatswain's Song". But it's downright embarrassing that Disney once again had some forgettable teenybopper group (T-Squad, have you hard of them? No? Didn't think so.) butcher "The Second Star to the Right".

It's also important to note there are some things made for Peter Pan in the R2 French "Collector's Edition" DVD (also in 2002) that wasn't included here. John Canemaker hosted an excellent 27-minute featurette all about the nine old men, and the entire 1924 silent film was also included. While one can buy the silent film here in R1 from Kino Video, the Canemaker featurette has remained an R2 France exclusive. :(

Overall, the extras are definitely not worth calling the two-disc set "Platinum", especially as fans and the company make it seem much higher calibre than it really is. I sincerely hope that Disney doesn't repeat this on the eventual Blu-Ray release.

Overall: C-
Peter Pan deserved better. But what is offered that is of value is still good in quality, if not in quantity.

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