Miley has no business next to MJ and Elvis!

[rs_milo_whatever]

No, we shouldn't ignore her existence, but there is a difference from acknowledgment and recognition. I am willing to admit Party in The U.S.A is a guilty pleasure of mine and her cover of Katy Perry's Breakout is almost an improvement, but I also admit neither of those are good recordings. I admit there are certain things (movies, songs, artists) that I like and love aren't really good, but doesn't stop me from liking them. Miley Cyrus is amusing. There are kids who listen to Kids Bop recordings, does that make it any good?

[The_Iceflash]

No, we shouldn't ignore her existence, but there is a difference from acknowledgment and recognition. I am willing to admit Party in The U.S.A is a guilty pleasure of mine and her cover of Katy Perry's Breakout is almost an improvement, but I also admit neither of those are good recordings. I admit there are certain things (movies, songs, artists) that I like and love aren't really good, but doesn't stop me from liking them. Miley Cyrus is amusing. There are kids who listen to Kids Bop recordings, does that make it any good?

What's good or not is subjective you know.

[DARTH KNITE]

While I think anyone over the age of 9 liking her is a bit odd, it would be just as insulting if they put anyone in the music industry who hadn't earned any notoriety next to two legends in the field. It's not personally against her, albeit I can't stand her, it's about the facts of the matter. Jonas would just as bad, but at least they can play instruments and aren't nearly as obnoxious.

[WDWLocal]

And then you should see that she is targeted for kids under 13, and kids without much notion of artistry.

That bold part isn't really fair. There are many of us in our late teens/early twenties that are fans of her, Jonas Brothers, etc and us liking them doesn't mean we don't have much notion of artistry.

To entire discussion: I honestly find most Miley attacks to be unjustified and unfair. Her portrait is next to MJ and Elvis on a wall in a hall. Who cares? Are we supposed to pretend she doesn't exist in music? I really don't understand why all the Miley/Jonas Brothers hate. I can understand if one dislikes their music but most of the hate I've seen directed towards them seem pretty irrational to me. Writing a complaint because one can't stand the sight of her on a wall that happens to be next to MJ and Elvis? Seems pretty irrational to me.

You said it, Iceflash. I give you two thumbs way up for this.

[rs_milo_whatever]

...really? only the people who agree with you "say it"?

I gave the explanation to what I said. Kids in her demographic are not exposed to every kind of music. Now, this does not mean that there are people outside her demo that enjoy her music, I also said I actually like some of her music. There is no question that she is a recording artist or that she has fans. The question is: "is she worthy of that wall?". now, everyone in this thread has said it, who cares? BUT, is she in the ranks of these artists that broke barriers of every kind, musically and personal-achievement wise, and transcended generations with timeless music? Not yet, and so far, it's not looking very good.

[The_Iceflash]

The question is: "is she worthy of that wall?". now, everyone in this thread has said it, who cares? BUT, is she in the ranks of these artists that broke barriers of every kind, musically and personal-achievement wise, and transcended generations with timeless music? Not yet, and so far, it's not looking very good.

But what are the standards for being on this particular wall? Were certain standards like the ones you described used as criteria for who should be on the wall? Or are we creating our own standards for what the wall means and represents? What the wall means to us may not be what it means to those who created the wall in the first place.

[rs_milo_whatever]

Obviously there were no standards. But when you include the most respected artists in the music industry and then add Miley Cyrus to the mix you get an unbalanced feeling.

OK, I've said every single positive thing i can say about Miley Cyrus. Can you honestly tell me she is even touching the achievments of people whose nicknames are "The King" and "The King of Pop"?

There were no standards because it is just a wall, but if you're gonna also add people who have done nothing for the music industry (even Taylor Swift has done more by making the country genre relevant) you might as well as others...were there others? If so, I don't see why we're discussing this.

[KennethE]

True, Miley has no business standing alongside Elvis and M. Jackson if you are analyzing the number of records they sold, but you're all forgetting something very important.....

Miley Cyrus is the only one affiliated with Disney (unless you count Captain EO). So in a certain point of view, Miley has EVERY RIGHT to be there! In fact, if I was decorating the place, I would have also thrown some portraits of Annette Funicello and Hilary Duff.

[DARTH KNITE]

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[WDWLocal]

Stop getting desperate, Darth Knite.

[Escapay]

I don't know what's more hilarious, the fact that Darth Knite actually started a facebook group or that WDWLocal continually is being so "Stop being mean to Disney, you don't know anything!" in every single thread he posts in.



albert

[Flanger-Hanger]

...or that WDWLocal continually is being so "Stop being mean to Disney, you don't know anything!" in every single thread he posts in.



albert

I guess even trolls like doing what they're best at.

[rs_milo_whatever]

I don't know what's more hilarious, the fact that Darth Knite actually started a facebook group or that WDWLocal continually is being so "Stop being mean to Disney, you don't know anything!" in every single thread he posts in.



albert

I do know which of those is funnier.

[Disney Duster]

True, Miley has no business standing alongside Elvis and M. Jackson if you are analyzing the number of records they sold, but you're all forgetting something very important.....

Miley Cyrus is the only one affiliated with Disney (unless you count Captain EO). So in a certain point of view, Miley has EVERY RIGHT to be there! In fact, if I was decorating the place, I would have also thrown some portraits of Annette Funicello and Hilary Duff.

But that's the only reason she's there, because she's owned by Disney. She still doesn't fit with the others. Really, the wall should be either Disney musical talents, or the world's most groundbreaking, successful, well-known, chart-topping, world-reknown, and world-loved talents...who would only be MJ and Elvis on that wall.

And I believe the walls are not about Disney talents but the most well-known, ground-breaking or achieving famous figures in entertainment and history.

[Wonderlicious]

wow guys. u like really disapoint me sooo much. its just like how u were with avatar beating the princess and the frog. how can u hate poor miley so much? i mean, she is mucj betta than loadz of the ova so called great muzik people. i mean, elvis presley doesnt even make music any more! whats up witb that? and what does mozart do? he goes and writes for loads of instruments, sure, but there are no words! and when there are, they're all in italian or swedish or something and they have silly high-pitched voices! its like a really bad version of the sound of music! who gives a damn if figaro (the cat from pinocchio, i presume) is getting married or if someonw has a magic flute! at least mileys words actually made sense to my ears! good for you miley, ur really cool and really hot and deserve to get in the hall of flame or whatever its called.

[blackcauldron85]

That is all.

[The_Iceflash]

And I believe the walls are not about Disney talents but well-known famous figures in entertainment and history.

I think that's exactly what the walls are. No more. No less.

Being that, there's no reason for anyone to be upset/mad/disgusted about her inclusion.

I think it comes down to people who don't want to see her receive any kind of respect in the music world of any kind. I think this thinking is evident when a well-known figure in entertainment can't be on a wall with other well-known figures in entertainment because of comparing and contrasting things between the artists that are irrelevant to a wall of simply well-known famous figures in entertainment and history.

OK, I've said every single positive thing i can say about Miley Cyrus. Can you honestly tell me she is even touching the achievments of people whose nicknames are "The King" and "The King of Pop"?

This isn't the rock and roll hall of fame/country music hall of fame, etc. Don't turn the wall into something it's not. This wall isn't about their respective achievements.

[Disney Duster]

Whoops Iceflash, I should have re-written that.

I think the wall was intended for the highest achieving, most well-known figures in entertainment or history. That includes entertainment history. Figures that have proven themselves over history, over time.

I don't hate Miley, I like some of her music and I think she sings great. One time she sang on her show with no back-ups or any altering and you could tell she could really sing without digital recording stuff.

But no, she doesn't fit with the other ones on that wall. It really does seem disrepectful to me, to have Elvis...then Michael Jackson...and then Miley Cyrus together, like they're all getting honored for the same things when Miley didn't do anything as big or honorable as the others (yet, anyway). And what I was saying was Disney should decide to do either all their Disney music talents, a bunch of current music talents, or the time-honored very high achieving talents, which Miley is not.

[Siren]

I agree, its just a picture in a theme park.

But I also agree, the girl has the talent of a potato and does not deserve to be in any kind of comparative match with Elvis, Jackson or the like.

Its like comparing the Jonas Brothers to The Beatles.

IMO....REAL talent are those who don't just sing well. They also know how to write their own stuff, express their OWN feelings through song and their voice, by using their own words. People who can also dress themselves. In other words....when they go on stage, they are themselves, not a character someone is paying them to play. I know she wrote a few songs, but a majority are written by others.

Miley is nothing more than a tool for Disney. Even when she IS Miley Cyrus. Until she can break away from Disney and be on her own, she is nothing more than another Disney character, she just doesn't wear a bulky mask.

[WDWLocal]

But I also agree, the girl has the talent of a potato and does not deserve to be in any kind of comparative match with Elvis, Jackson or the like.

Its like comparing the Jonas Brothers to The Beatles.

Miley is nothing more than a tool for Disney. Even when she IS Miley Cyrus. Until she can break away from Disney and be on her own, she is nothing more than another Disney character, she just doesn't wear a bulky mask.

I can't agree with those points either.

Those are just more unfair comparisons and only further pathetic attempts to demonize someone you don't know for no reason.

Pathetic.