The Princess and the Frog Discussion - Part III

[akhenaten]

random fact about tpatf

the third disney animated feature in a row to feature a male villain with gender reference to the name/nickname:

1)meet the robinsons - bowler hat guy
2)bolt - green-eyed man
3)patf - dr. facilier @ shadow man

[IagoZazu]

So was I the only one who heard Dr. Facilier's name mentioned only once? All the other characters referred to him as "The Shadow Man."

[SpringHeelJack]

random fact about tpatf

the third disney animated feature in a row to feature a male villain with gender reference to the name/nickname:

1)meet the robinsons - bowler hat guy
2)bolt - green-eyed man
3)patf - dr. facilier @ shadow man

It makes you look forward to Rapunzel's villain, the Lady With Evil Intentions.

[Disney's Divinity]

So was I the only one who heard Dr. Facilier's name mentioned only once? All the other characters referred to him as "The Shadow Man."

Well, look on the bright side. The Evil Queen's name was never said at all. And I'm glad they did say Facilier's name that one time, because I realized I'd been mispronouncing it since forever. Totally embarassing. It was sort of like hearing Hermione or Penelope for the first time and learning they weren't "Her-me-on" and "Penny-lope."

Anyway, I think the only characters who use Ursula's name in TLM is Triton and the eels. Using titles has a menacing effect (see Voldemort; wow, 2 HP references in one post--what's wrong with me?). It denotes some authority to the character, too. It definitely boosted Facilier a little.

[aubreysilver]

Anyway, I think the only characters who use Ursula's name in TLM is Triton and the eels.

Ariel says it too, at least once:

Ariel: "I'm going to see Ursula."

Sebastian: (Gasp!) "Ariel, no, she's a demon, she's a monster!"

Ariel: "Why don't you go tell my father, you're good at that."

[IagoZazu]

So was I the only one who heard Dr. Facilier's name mentioned only once? All the other characters referred to him as "The Shadow Man."

Well, look on the bright side. The Evil Queen's name was never said at all. And I'm glad they did say Facilier's name that one time, because I realized I'd been mispronouncing it since forever. Totally embarassing. It was sort of like hearing Hermione or Penelope for the first time and learning they weren't "Her-me-on" and "Penny-lope."

Anyway, I think the only characters who use Ursula's name in TLM is Triton and the eels. Using titles has a menacing effect (see Voldemort; wow, 2 HP references in one post--what's wrong with me?). It denotes some authority to the character, too. It definitely boosted Facilier a little.

I'm sure it did make him an image of power and danger. I didn't pronounce his name right until the movie either, I pronounced it "Fa-cilier" until I found out it was "Fa-cili-a" like it had a little French. And he was the one who said his own name.

I thought Dr. Facilier was a good villain. He's no Maleficent, Jafar, or maybe Ursula, but I would put him close to some of the others. I think "Friends on the Other Side" is a good villain song and I like it. His shadow friends were very creepy.

The scene where he steps on Ray was kind of disturbing because he had that plain "so much for you" look on his face that was worse than any evil smile. When Tiana destroys the skull with Naveen's blood, the shadow friends turn on Facilier. Since he became terrified and scared during his defeat like a lot of Disney Villains, that meant he was a goner. The way he was dragged into the giant voodoo head's mouth was like him being taken to Hell.

[JDCB1986]

I thought Dr. Facilier was a good villain. He's no Maleficent, Jafar, or maybe Ursula, but I would put him close to some of the others. I think "Friends on the Other Side" is a good villain song and I like it. His shadow friends were very creepy.

I think Dr. Facielier is the best villain since Frollo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame and he has taken his place as one of my favourite Disney villains next to Scar, Lady Tremaine and Jafar.

[blackcauldron85]

Just FYI- Dr. John sings "Down In New Orleans", not Randy Newman (thank goodness).

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Disney in-jokes add to the fun of “The Princess & The Frog”
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A Frog Prince
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[disneyboy20022]

I thought Dr. Facilier was a good villain. He's no Maleficent, Jafar, or maybe Ursula, but I would put him close to some of the others. I think "Friends on the Other Side" is a good villain song and I like it. His shadow friends were very creepy.

I think Dr. Facielier is the best villain since Frollo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame and he has taken his place as one of my favourite Disney villains next to Scar, Lady Tremaine and Jafar.

That's how i'd rank him.....best villain since Frollo...even though Frollo didn't have any magic powers (unless over abuse of the law for your own evil personal gain or beliefs and corrupting the law counts) but Frollo was one of the Human characters that had been in a Disney Villain yet he could still send a chill down the back of my spine like Lady Tremaine...

Dr. Facielier is a good villain and I think his song only does him more justice....I mean maybe its because teh last 2-d animated villain looked like Big Daddy in Princess and the frog and was a yodeling to steal cows...I find facilier to be better than Alamada Slim...in every way....Slim I think in Home on the range though ranks below with Edgar the Butler from Aristocats....forgettable..

Although now that I think about Edgar from Aristocats....Lawrence looks like him only quite a bit shorter and much tubbier


and my mom thinks it looks like The Proud Family was an early rough draft for drawing the characters in PATF.....Facilier looked like Oscar and maybe Bobby and Mama odie looked and sounded like Suga Mama and even Tiana reminded me of Penny proud and even the snake that mama odie had a feeling of the dog that Suga Mama had....

[Cordy_Biddle]

Oooooh.... Just had a really creepy picture come into my head. Frollo marries Lady Tremaine and together they re-open the Bates Motel...

[disneyboy20022]

Oooooh.... Just had a really creepy picture come into my head. Frollo marries Lady Tremaine and together they re-open the Bates Motel...

I was thinking a simlair thought as I was typing about comparing Tremaine to Frollo.... I was thinking hmm....I wonder if the other Disney Villains would set them up on a blind date...(that could be an interesting Forum Game to the ffect of Disney villains matchmaking on the games section of the forum...if it someone does do that I want to be acknowledged that I thought of it )

which wouldn't be too far off since Chernabog from Fantasia hits on Melififencent in Dragon form by saying Love Your Work in Mickey's House of Villains.....

[IagoZazu]

I think Dr. Facielier is the best villain since Frollo in The Hunchback of Notre Dame and he has taken his place as one of my favourite Disney villains next to Scar, Lady Tremaine and Jafar.

That's how i'd rank him.....best villain since Frollo...even though Frollo didn't have any magic powers (unless over abuse of the law for your own evil personal gain or beliefs and corrupting the law counts) but Frollo was one of the Human characters that had been in a Disney Villain yet he could still send a chill down the back of my spine like Lady Tremaine...

Dr. Facielier is a good villain and I think his song only does him more justice....I mean maybe its because teh last 2-d animated villain looked like Big Daddy in Princess and the frog and was a yodeling to steal cows...I find facilier to be better than Alamada Slim...in every way....Slim I think in Home on the range though ranks below with Edgar the Butler from Aristocats....forgettable..

Although now that I think about Edgar from Aristocats....Lawrence looks like him only quite a bit shorter and much tubbier


and my mom thinks it looks like The Proud Family was an early rough draft for drawing the characters in PATF.....Facilier looked like Oscar and maybe Bobby and Mama odie looked and sounded like Suga Mama and even Tiana reminded me of Penny proud and even the snake that mama odie had a feeling of the dog that Suga Mama had....

After hearing "Friends on the Other Side" more than once, it became one of my favorite villain songs. It has that spooky tone and lyrics that stick to you. It doesn't top my favorite "Be Prepared" but even though it might be blasphemy, I think it's just as good or even better than "Poor Unfortunate Souls." Sure, the latter has that classic sound and Ursula's voice, but I think "Friends on the Other Side" is more stylish and upbeat. I also think it sounds better on the CD. Both are good in the movie, but I was never afraid of Ursula (even as a kid) and I couldn't help but feel my heart race during the finale of "Friends on the Other Side." Dr. Facilier put on a mask, Naveen was bound by snakes, everything turned green and purple, the spooky beat and rhythm rattled the theater, Naveen was stabbed by the wooden skull and there was blood, and after the finale everything turns into darkness and you could only see Dr. Facilier's skull mask fading in the dark. It was pretty intense, but I was never scared. The Disney Villains never scared me.

As far as ranking him among villains, my personal favorites are Jafar, Scar, and Cruella De Vil, so I would place him higher than Hades and Shan-Yu even though Shan-Yu was realistically disturbing like Frollo. When it comes to the best villain since Frollo, I agree. He may become one of top villains once I go see the movie again.

I also had a thought about Lawrence being a short, chubby Edgar too.

[robster16]

some pictures from the book "The Art of The Princess and the Frog" by Jeff Kurtti. I can't wait to receive my own copy!!!

[PrincePhillipFan]

Just wanted to add that it's an amazing book. I managed to pick up a copy for my gf for Christmas a few days ago, and the pieces or artwork in there are stunning. It ranges from character designs, background paintings, conceptual paintings and sketches, maquettes, visual effects, and much more. I can't wait to pick up a copy for myself at Dowtown Disney today or Art of Disney next week.

[PrincePhillipFan]

Just wanted to add that it's an amazing book. I managed to pick up a copy for my gf for Christmas a few days ago, and the pieces or artwork in there are stunning. It ranges from character designs, background paintings, conceptual paintings and sketches, maquettes, visual effects, and much more. I can't wait to pick up a copy for myself at Dowtown Disney today or Art of Disney next week.

[akhenaten]

i bought the book in borders today, but no mention of snow queen and ramayana and the likes in lasseter's preface..could i have gotten an international edition of the book???

btw, the graphics' r nice!

[Super Aurora]

I saw the movie on the internet (no, seriously), and I have to say while it's not the Lion King or such, it was fantastically a great movie.

Many people said the story pacing when too fast. I can see what they were saying, though I think it's the illusion by fact the most of the songs are compacted closely together and went from one song to the other fairly close in duration. I also see that the introduction to Naveen and Dr. Facilier was hardly intro as they quickly appear by in the "Down in the New Orleans" song. It's like they didn't get a proper introduction.

I do agree with others that the hill billies was pointless.

I don't find Louis annoying like many found him to be. I actually found him funny and fun character to like. He does over did the comedy at some points but most part it was great. There were times when I was starting to think he reminds me of that singing alligator in All Dogs Go to Heaven

Mama Odie and her snake Lulu was funny. I like how Lulu was constantly guiding Mama from getting hurt since she's blind only to get hurt in process.

Charlotte was great. hyperactive and funny.

Dr. Facilier was amazing. I do agree that he didn't get proper screen time and that the villian climax "fight" was... short. but his flair, his speech manner, the "Friends on Other Side" sequence, and last his death was all amazing. I'd also rank him high on Disney villian list. The voodoos and shadow spirits were hauntingly great. Dr. facilier may anwser to these voodo gods, but those voodoo gods answer to a higher enity- The Disney Vault.

All in all, the movie was great and I liked it a lot.

[a-net-fan]

I do agree with others that the hill billies was pointless.

All in all, the movie was great and I liked it a lot.

Actually the Hillbillies werent pointless. Frog hunting is a real sport down there and a realistic threat to any frog in those parts. lol Frog legs anyone?

Also I bet you would like the movie even better seeing it on the big screen. The animation is just amazing and some segments just will never be the same experiencing them outside of the movie theater. Go to the theater and see it if you can.

[Super Aurora]

I do agree with others that the hill billies was pointless.

All in all, the movie was great and I liked it a lot.

Actually the Hillbillies werent pointless. Frog hunting is a real sport down there and a realistic threat to any frog in those parts. lol Frog legs anyone?

Also I bet you would like the movie even better seeing it on the big screen. The animation is just amazing and some segments just will never be the same experiencing them outside of the movie theater. Go to the theater and see it if you can.

What you pointed out is a cultural reference. Still has no relevance to the plot.

i'll probably will go see it in theater but I watched it online to see what the story about. Save time and money for me.[/b]

[ajmrowland]

I might want to get the book.


And Faciler's scenes were amazing!