Dumbo: Special Edition Blu-ray and DVD Discussion

Mason_Ireton · Post by **Mason_Ireton** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:17 pm

eh nah Disney would probaly have either (hopefuly) a professional singing group for Baby Mine

nomad2010 · Post by **nomad2010** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:23 pm

Here is my take on this. From what Disney wrote to UD they said Dumbo was the next "Platinum" title. It is also releasing in February NOT March as Fantasia was. My guess.. Fantasia is still coming March 2010 either as a Diamond Edition or else it is coming as something else, neither platinum nor diamond because they feel it is not a "story" so it should get a different kind of release. Personally I like the thought of getting 4 big titles a year, 2 Platinums, which would be titles that have NOT received a Platinum Edition release. Then all titles which HAVE received Platinum Editions when re-releasedwill be known as Diamond Editions.

blackcauldron85 · Post by **blackcauldron85** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:35 pm

SpringHeelJack wrote:I want to see the JoBros do "Song of the Roustabouts".

I'd like to see that, too!

Neal wrote:I'm not happy because this probably signals a delay for the "Destino" DVD. I want to see Destino now.

I feel the same way- I've waited 7 years or 8 years + for Destino. Look up the Destino thread here, and you'll see a link to a YouTube video of the short. I'm not sure if the video is still active (I haven't checked in a while), but it'd be worth it if you want to watch it now. Unless you're waiting to own the DVD (or Blu-ray) in order to watch it.

What's with Disney postponing their arty films- Destino, and the Fantasias?

Brer Brandon · Post by **Brer Brandon** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:38 pm

I for one am excited about this. I don't own Dumbo on DVD and when I wanted to get it recently I couldn't because the BTE was out of print. I had suspected some type of new edition was coming, but I didn't expect Platinum edition. I'm not as concerned about what might happen to Fantasia since I have the Fantasia Anthology box set. I am very pleased with that edition and don't plan on upgrading. It's an amazing set for two movies that I very rarely watch so I am more than content with that.

tsom · Post by **tsom** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:46 pm

"Dumbo? That one hour film about the elephant? The one with the racist crows?"

Hahahahaha. zackisthewalrus, your video was quite comical!

The_Iceflash · Post by **The_Iceflash** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 7:47 pm

nomad2010 wrote:Here is my take on this. From what Disney wrote to UD they said Dumbo was the next "Platinum" title. It is also releasing in February NOT March as Fantasia was. My guess.. Fantasia is still coming March 2010 either as a Diamond Edition or else it is coming as something else, neither platinum nor diamond because they feel it is not a "story" so it should get a different kind of release. Personally I like the thought of getting 4 big titles a year, 2 Platinums, which would be titles that have NOT received a Platinum Edition release. Then all titles which HAVE received Platinum Editions when re-releasedwill be known as Diamond Editions.

That'll be confusing having Diamond editions and Platinum Editions coming out simultaniously on the same formats.. I also don't want to see these Platinum editions coming out now getting a Diamond edition down the road. That would further complicate things. I don't want movies like Oliver and Company and The Sword and the Stone getting Platinum editions for the sake of it after just getting re-released. If anything I want a Hunchback and Hercules Platinum Edition first. I don't want to see Disney turn all of their "Special Editions" (like Most Wanted Edition, Friendship Edition, etc) all of a sudden after just releasing them.

@zackisthewalrus: Love the video. I laughed several times out loud. (Except for when you went all Blu-ray fanboy on us.

)

pap64 · Post by **pap64** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:11 pm

I have to be honest here... I am surprised at some of the rather childish reaction expressed here. Its understandable that the delay of an anticipated product can cause anger and annoyance, but some of the responses here have been... I mean REALLY.

All of a sudden Disney HAS to act according to what the fans say, and if they act otherwise they are evil, insensitive and irresponsible. No company will EVER respond 100% to what the fans want. Maybe its just me, though, since I don't collect DVDs and I like to think I've gained enough of a thick skin to put up with these type of announcements.

Don't get me wrong. If it were up to me ALL of their Disney films would receive triple A treatment, even the bad ones

. But it all depends on what the Disney COMPANY wants to do and what they think will be more profitable. During that time, support the good and what you like, ignore what you hate and the bad. No need to get upset about it.

Its obvious that this new release will make some fans happy. Others won't. That's fine. Now there's no need for either side to be obnoxious about it.

Sorry for the blunt honesty, but the reaction to me has stunned for the level of immaturity it has created in some of you.

JDCB1986 · Post by **JDCB1986** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:12 pm

The_Iceflash wrote:
nomad2010 wrote:Here is my take on this. From what Disney wrote to UD they said Dumbo was the next "Platinum" title. It is also releasing in February NOT March as Fantasia was. My guess.. Fantasia is still coming March 2010 either as a Diamond Edition or else it is coming as something else, neither platinum nor diamond because they feel it is not a "story" so it should get a different kind of release. Personally I like the thought of getting 4 big titles a year, 2 Platinums, which would be titles that have NOT received a Platinum Edition release. Then all titles which HAVE received Platinum Editions when re-releasedwill be known as Diamond Editions.
That'll be confusing having Diamond editions and Platinum Editions coming out simultaniously on the same formats.. I also don't want to see these Platinum editions coming out now getting a Diamond edition down the road. That would further complicate things. I don't want movies like Oliver and Company and The Sword and the Stone getting Platinum editions for the sake of it after just getting re-released. If anything I want a Hunchback and Hercules Platinum Edition first. I don't want to see Disney turn all of their "Special Editions" (like Most Wanted Edition, Friendship Edition, etc) all of a sudden after just releasing them.

@zackisthewalrus: Love the video. I laughed several times out loud. (Except for when you went all Blu-ray fanboy on us. )

How is it going to be confusing ?
They had Platinum Editions coming out alongside "Big Top," "Masterpiece," & "Most Wanted" Editions for several years on the same format.

DisneyFreak5282 · Post by **DisneyFreak5282** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:18 pm

The_Iceflash wrote:That'll be confusing having Diamond editions and Platinum Editions coming out simultaniously on the same formats.. I also don't want to see these Platinum editions coming out now getting a Diamond edition down the road. That would further complicate things. I don't want movies like Oliver and Company and The Sword and the Stone getting Platinum editions for the sake of it after just getting re-released. If anything I want a Hunchback and Hercules Platinum Edition first. I don't want to see Disney turn all of their "Special Editions" (like Most Wanted Edition, Friendship Edition, etc) all of a sudden after just releasing them.

I agree. In the early '00s, when a PE was released, it was very special, and very exclusive. The DVDs had great restorations and hours of bonus features, more so than any other "Special Edition" Disney DVD. I feel like now they are taking away the "special-ness" of being a Platinum by releasing all these films that didn't sell well, as well as releasing the particular films under multiple edition titles. I feel like Disney has in a way ruined the greatest DVD line they had going.

JDCB1986 wrote:How is it going to be confusing ?
They had Platinum Editions coming out alongside "Big Top," "Masterpiece," & "Most Wanted" Editions for several years on the same format.

I think he said "confusing" meaning seeing the same movie released in different editions all at the same time ("Diamond Edition" DVD, "Platinum" Blu, Deluxe Blu, Collector's Set, etc.)

The_Iceflash · Post by **The_Iceflash** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:24 pm

JDCB1986 wrote:
The_Iceflash wrote: That'll be confusing having Diamond editions and Platinum Editions coming out simultaniously on the same formats.. I also don't want to see these Platinum editions coming out now getting a Diamond edition down the road. That would further complicate things. I don't want movies like Oliver and Company and The Sword and the Stone getting Platinum editions for the sake of it after just getting re-released. If anything I want a Hunchback and Hercules Platinum Edition first. I don't want to see Disney turn all of their "Special Editions" (like Most Wanted Edition, Friendship Edition, etc) all of a sudden after just releasing them.

@zackisthewalrus: Love the video. I laughed several times out loud. (Except for when you went all Blu-ray fanboy on us. )
How is it going to be confusing ?
They had Platinum Editions coming out alongside "Big Top," "Masterpiece," & "Most Wanted" Editions for several years on the same format.

It's not the same thing.

The_Iceflash · Post by **The_Iceflash** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:31 pm

DisneyFreak5282 wrote:
JDCB1986 wrote:How is it going to be confusing ?
They had Platinum Editions coming out alongside "Big Top," "Masterpiece," & "Most Wanted" Editions for several years on the same format.
I think he said "confusing" meaning seeing the same movie released in different editions all at the same time ("Diamond Edition" DVD, "Platinum" Blu, Deluxe Blu, Collector's Set, etc.)

Indeed. It's confusing enough for many to comprehend Snow White's 2 virtually identical combo packs minus different packaging and the logic behind such a thing. Most are going to convince themselves that there has to be more of a difference than the packaging because they can't possibly fathom why they would do such a thing. Besides, aren't people going to wonder why there are two different lines out (Platinum and Diamond) at the same time and wonder why the two seperate lines?

DisneyFreak5282 · Post by **DisneyFreak5282** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:45 pm

The_Iceflash wrote:
DisneyFreak5282 wrote: I think he said "confusing" meaning seeing the same movie released in different editions all at the same time ("Diamond Edition" DVD, "Platinum" Blu, Deluxe Blu, Collector's Set, etc.)
Indeed. It's confusing enough for many to comprehend Snow White's 2 virtually identical combo packs minus different packaging and the logic behind such a thing. Most are going to convince themselves that there has to be more of a difference than the packaging because they can't possibly fathom why they would do such a thing. Besides, aren't people going to wonder why there are two different lines out (Platinum and Diamond) at the same time and wonder why the two seperate lines?

It's totally annoying! Hopefully Disney will make some last-minute changes and just label all SW releases either Diamond or Platinum, because with the method they got going now and their announcement of Dumbo replacing Fantasia, I'm not too fond of Disney at the moment!

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 8:49 pm

As usual, Disney makes a surprise announcement and most of UD's reaction is negative. For starters, it has not yet been announced that Fantasia was dropped from the line, nor that it's release was canceled. Personally, I was surprised that Fantasia was even added to the Platinum line in the first place since it mostly appeals to Disney fans and sophisticated movie buffs, not soccer mom's that trust the Platinum Edition brand to mean films that the whole family can enjoy (yes, Fantasia does put most kids to sleep or lose their interest quickly).

One VERY ridiculous stance that many of you are taking is that "Dumbo wasn't part of the original 10." You do remember the 10 being expanded to 14, right? Because that is when Fantasia was added. Nobody cried fowl when UD members were merely speculating that Alice would be added when the line repeated, which by the way has not been confirmed.

Also, one person posted their own speculated idea of the next few years of Platinum/Diamond releases and based on that, a tangent has been born about how Beauty and the Beast might not be released in Fall of 2010. Why wouldn't they release it then? The film is being rereleased to theaters in 3D February 2010. After that, consumers will be expecting a DVD/Blu-Ray release, so it can pretty much be guaranteed that BatB will be the Platinum/Diamond at that time.

If Fantasia is being kept a Platinum/Diamond title, I would imagine that it would be the Spring 2011 release. This isn't the first time a Platinum title has been bumped to a later release by another title. Heck, when they switched to 2 a year, they mostly changed the order they had previously announced

Regardless of how it is released, a nice multi-disc set for Fantasia is coming. Maybe not as soon as we would like, but it's been guaranteed. Deep breaths.

tsom · Post by **tsom** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:03 pm

goofystitch wrote:Personally, I was surprised that Fantasia was even added to the Platinum line in the first place since it mostly appeals to Disney fans and sophisticated movie buffs, not soccer mom's that trust the Platinum Edition brand to mean films that the whole family can enjoy (yes, Fantasia does put most kids to sleep or lose their interest quickly).

That's a very good point. I know PLENTY of kids, teens and adults that would rather watch Dumbo than Fantasia...a movie where there isn't any dialogue.

goofystitch · Post by **goofystitch** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:19 pm

I think Fantasia would be the perfect excuse to revive the Masterpiece Edition, which was supposed to be a series of films that would run alongside the Platinum line and was advertised as featuring Alice in Wonderland, Mary Poppins, Pocahontas, and Lilo & Stitch, but the line quickly ended with just one title, Alice. Perhaps Fantasia could be the rebirth of something similar and we could eventually see Hercules released as a 2-disc set that way, or at least an improved release. Aladdin could be featured there if it was indeed removed from the Platinum/Diamond lineup. But that's just speculation. I would hate to see anybody get in a tissy because they thought what I said was fact.

Rudy Matt · Post by **Rudy Matt** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:22 pm

goofystitch wrote:As usual, Disney makes a surprise announcement and most of UD's reaction is negative. For starters, it has not yet been announced that Fantasia was dropped from the line, nor that it's release was canceled. Personally, I was surprised that Fantasia was even added to the Platinum line in the first place since it mostly appeals to Disney fans and sophisticated movie buffs, not soccer mom's that trust the Platinum Edition brand to mean films that the whole family can enjoy (yes, Fantasia does put most kids to sleep or lose their interest quickly).

(sigh) Fantasia was - at one moment in history - the best selling home video title OF ALL TIME. It was the home video champion. That's why F2K was made in the first place -- the phenomenal sales for Fantasia on home video.

It was only surpassed in subsequent years by Titanic, The Lion King, and Snow White. You're surprised it was added to the Platinum line? The "Fantasia Anthology" was essentially the first "Platinum" set even if it didn't carry that name.

Coolmanio · Post by **Coolmanio** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:38 pm

I am definitely surprised by this. I was all pumped up with getting Fantasia, the 2nd last DAC I needed, but, as Dumbo is one of my favorites as well, I will gladly accept this release.

Since it has already had 2 moderately well-received DVDs, and I believe it is time for a Collector's Set like Aladdin or Cinderella. One can hope......

EDIT: I am reminded of this......

Dumbo 70th Anniversary Trailer (BBFC)

Still, its a shock

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 9:41 pm

I'm glad that Dumbo will finally get the treatment it deserves. The single disc is excellent for a single disc (excellent commentary, excellent gallery, good-but-could-be-better-and-longer
"appreciation" featurette, and some good archival and related-though-not-directly material), but I'd love for it to get additional features such as a more thorough documentary, storyboard-to-scene comparisons, maybe even a "Heffalumps & Woozles" vs. "Pink Elephants on Parade" comparison/featurette.

I'm not too concerned about a possible delay for Fantasia because all the titles will come out eventually anyway. It's not like Fantasia has been delayed to 2016 or something. As goofystitch said, it's still coming, just coming later than we thought.

Plus, I've got the Anthology, and beyond re-instating Sunflower or by some miracle finding the complete Deems Taylor audio tracks, there's little they could do to improve upon that set. The only things that are likely to be added are additional trailers (such as the one they play during the Great Movie Ride queue), better navigation for the art galleries, and they'll probably shoot new interviews with contemporary Disney/Pixar artists and the reliable crowd of Disney historians talking about the movie again.

It would be cool if they include stuff like the 1982 Irwin Kostal orchestration or the 1990 documenetary, but I doubt it.

Cubby wrote:I agree. In the early '00s, when a PE was released, it was very special, and very exclusive. The DVDs had great restorations and hours of bonus features, more so than any other "Special Edition" Disney DVD.

But it always was a double-edged sword because every Disney DVD should have been given that treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's the Dash Parr argument of "Everyone's special, which is another way of saying nobody is" but honestly, a Robin Hood fan deserves a Special Edition DVD just as much as a Lady and the Tramp fan. A live-action fan deserves a Special Edition DVD just as much as an animation fan. Disney's catered to niche audiences before. Just look at the Treasures line, or the two-disc Tron, or even the single-disc collector's edition of Newsies.

In my opinion, it was always a dickhead move to only "limit" that top-notch (more or less) treatment to best-selling titles. There are still plenty of popular titles that are equally deserving, and Disney should have put as much effort into those. It doesn't always have to be a two-disc. It's pretty much established that something like Robin Hood will sell a lot less than something like Pocahontas. So a well-done single-disc Special Edition should have been done that had more than just a goddamn alternate ending and anemic art gallery. Why not a simple 20-minute making-of featurette, a 10-minute DisneyPedia featurette about the Robin Hood legend, and a text commentary?

If Disney wanted to keep the Platinum line more "special", they should have kept it consistent in the quality and quantity of special features, and that includes the non-DVD gubbins like books, cels, artwork, packaging, etc. Let their entire animated canon get a two-disc treatment, but give the Platinum that little bit more in something beyond the DVD.

Cubby wrote:I feel like Disney has in a way ruined the greatest DVD line they had going.

If by "greatest DVD line" you mean their Vault Disney Collection, then we're in agreement. Disney ruined that line too when they stopped making them and pared down the last few titles (Apple Dumpling Gang, the Witch Mountain movies) to single-disc sets.

goofystitch wrote:If Fantasia is being kept a Platinum/Diamond title, I would imagine that it would be the Spring 2011 release. This isn't the first time a Platinum title has been bumped to a later release by another title. Heck, when they switched to 2 a year, they mostly changed the order they had previously announced

It reminds me of when Peter Pan was suddenly scheduled to the Spring 2007 slot, causing many to initially think it was *removed* from the 14 titles to promote the new Tink movie (which got delayed anyway).

albert

DisneyFreak5282 · Post by **DisneyFreak5282** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:00 pm

Scrappy Scappy wrote:
Cubby wrote:I agree. In the early '00s, when a PE was released, it was very special, and very exclusive. The DVDs had great restorations and hours of bonus features, more so than any other "Special Edition" Disney DVD.
But it always was a double-edged sword because every Disney DVD should have been given that treatment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's the Dash Parr argument of "Everyone's special, which is another way of saying nobody is" but honestly, a Robin Hood fan deserves a Special Edition DVD just as much as a Lady and the Tramp fan. A live-action fan deserves a Special Edition DVD just as much as an animation fan. Disney's catered to niche audiences before. Just look at the Treasures line, or the two-disc Tron, or even the single-disc collector's edition of Newsies.

I agree with you on that!

Scrappy Scappy wrote:In my opinion, it was always a dickhead move to only "limit" that top-notch (more or less) treatment to best-selling titles. There are still plenty of popular titles that are equally deserving, and Disney should have put as much effort into those. It doesn't always have to be a two-disc. It's pretty much established that something like Robin Hood will sell a lot less than something like Pocahontas. So a well-done single-disc Special Edition should have been done that had more than just a goddamn alternate ending and anemic art gallery. Why not a simple 20-minute making-of featurette, a 10-minute DisneyPedia featurette about the Robin Hood legend, and a text commentary?

If Disney wanted to keep the Platinum line more "special", they should have kept it consistent in the quality and quantity of special features, and that includes the non-DVD gubbins like books, cels, artwork, packaging, etc. Let their entire animated canon get a two-disc treatment, but give the Platinum that little bit more in something beyond the DVD.

I know what you mean. In a way I do feel like all the DACs do deserve the 2-disc treatment, but it made sense to me that the Platinum's had that little extra something to them, a greater quality in the bonus features than their ordinary DAC releases. I can see where you're coming from when you say it's a "dickhead move" to limit the top-notch treatment to the best-sellers, but in a way, it also makes sense, considering they are the best-selling home video titles Disney has released, so it would seem natural to put more effort into a set that they know more people would buy. I understand the frustration of everyone whose favorite DAC might not be one of the best-sellers and have to endure being snubbed and duped out of decent bonus features, which is why I agree when you say each DAC should get the 2-disc treatment, or at least an improvement in the bonus features department.

Scrappy Scappy wrote:
Cubby wrote:I feel like Disney has in a way ruined the greatest DVD line they had going.
If by "greatest DVD line" you mean their Vault Disney Collection, then we're in agreement. Disney ruined that line too when they stopped making them and pared down the last few titles (Apple Dumpling Gang, the Witch Mountain movies) to single-disc sets.

Hush hush, I meant "the greatest DVD line they had going for their animated classics"!

nomad2010 · Post by **nomad2010** » Mon Aug 17, 2009 10:01 pm

DisneyFreak5282 wrote: I think he said "confusing" meaning seeing the same movie released in different editions all at the same time ("Diamond Edition" DVD, "Platinum" Blu, Deluxe Blu, Collector's Set, etc.)

I don't think you understand what i meant. i mean that if a title which has been released as a Platinum title already aka Snow White, Beauty & the Beast and the rest of the top 10 best selling...was being re-released they would be re-released as a Diamond Edition. Diamond Editions would exclusively be re-released Platinums, films which have already gotten the Platinum treatment and proven their sales. Platinum Editions would then be newly released titles which have not received the Platinum treatment and could include the next top 10 selling aka 11-20 which would explain Dumbo and Sleeping Beauty (esp. Sleeping Beauty being labeled "Platinum".) get it now? in short Platinums = new releases that have not been released as platinums. Diamonds = Platinum titles on their second release.

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