Sen BrownBack wants ban on Half Human - half animal genetics

[KubrickFan]

And if you need some evidence Goliath, I base my theory that aliens stopped time and played hackysack on the very same scientific evidence that makes scientists think life exists out in other galaxies even though we've only ever truly found life on this wonderful earth. Ahee. Also, the little dents and craters and holes in the earth, that totally supports that it could be when they dropped their heavy alien hackysacks. Aheehee.

There's a lot more evidence for extraterrestrial life than your 'theory'. You don't think we're the only one when there are billions of planets, do you?.

I don't care if doing these scientific things gets rid of disease or not. How on earth is it we are meant to live with no illness, no death, no bad things in the world at all? Especially when you remember something is only bad if you don't like it. Something bad to one person may be liked by another person. I don't think I would want to live in a future where nobody died. And what if Hitler couldn't die?

If my parent was dying and embryonic stem cell research that killed embryos would save her, no, I wouldn't do it. Kill others to save one person? No, I wouldn't do it. The end justifies the means? Well isn't that a nice excuse, do bad things to get one good thing. Nice.

Our world is overpopulated, and growing. Killing off illness or even someday ending death may cause some problems to say the least. It's like when hunters aren't allowed to hunt and so deer run all over the place getting into accidents and eating people's food and doing lots of damage. I don't approve of hunting for sport and would try to discourage others from it, but it's a free country as long as you aren't harming humans. As long as you aren't harming or f*cking around with the biology of humans.

I honestly don't believe you wouldn't want to save your parent with something like stem cell research, if you could. It's not saving just one person, but saving millions, and curing millions of people. And just by using some cells. They're not doing a bad thing, cells don't have an awareness or anything. But you don't use antibiotics too? They're alive as much as cells living inside somebody.
And if you are so sure the world's population needs to be decreased at all cost, then why are you against Hitler? Seems like he took care of some parts of the population pretty well.

[ajmrowland]

This whole thing with the senator is very ridiculous. Like others have said, I wouldn't want to breed with a guinea pig. If some of my cells were injected into them, fine, but I wouldn't feel great about unless it were a success.

And this whole thing reminds me of Ida. There's an alarming amount of evidence that points to a single species being what is known as the Mother of all modern apes, which includes humans.

[Disney Duster]

And being human... Well, it doesn't always work for everyone. Wouldn't you agree?

I don't think I would...some people say that some people don't act very much like humans or are very humane or whatever. To me a human is a human, special and of worth no matter what. Every one of us.

There's a lot more evidence for extraterrestrial life than your 'theory'. You don't think we're the only one when there are billions of planets, do you?.

I rest my case.

I honestly don't believe you wouldn't want to save your parent with something like stem cell research, if you could.

Well I would. And I bet my mom would accept that too since she's against some of things I'm against. You see...people are meant to die, and you might find that horrible or something but I believe in an afterlife that we, well, need to get to. I wouldn't want to live forever in this limited physical world. But enough about that. I don't know everything about stem cell research, but if they're killing unborn people just to do it, indeed I'm against it.

And if you are so sure the world's population needs to be decreased at all cost, then why are you against Hitler? Seems like he took care of some parts of the population pretty well.

I'm against Hitler because Hitler was bad. But people dying naturally because, you know, that's always been apart of nature, even illness is part of nature, and I don't believe in f*cking with nature, yea, I'm all for it. I'm for what's natural. Just like I'm naturally gay. I didn't decide to be. It naturally happened.

Lots of people are trying to stop over-population. Over-population is bad. Everyone sees that. I guess you are missing the consequences of running out of food or room...

[Goliath]

I don't know everything about stem cell research, but if they're killing unborn people just to do it, indeed I'm against it.

No, stemcell research is being done using human embryos that have been aborted *anyway*. I can't understand people who are against this, since the "unborn people" (as they call them, who are not really people anyway, since they aren't able to survive outside the uterus, but anyway...) are otherwise being destructed after the abortion. So rather than doing stem cell research on them to save future lives, certain people would rather just destruct the embryo.

I'm against Hitler because Hitler was bad.

I'm sorry, the way you're putting this makes it sound like Hitler is a little naughty boy who pushes girls in the mud during recess.

[Lazario]

And being human... Well, it doesn't always work for everyone. Wouldn't you agree?

I don't think I would...some people say that some people don't act very much like humans or are very humane or whatever. To me a human is a human, special and of worth no matter what. Every one of us.

That's so sappy, I could grease a whole season's worth of summer-camp pancakes with it.

We're all human, yes. But don't you know what that means? Everyone has the instinct to manipulate, hurt, and betray everyone and anyone else. And most people do. People are aggressively selfish, subconsciously conniving, and violently judgmental. Especially as we get older or when we are very young. There is a tiny window of our lives when we are at our most thoughtful and care about treating others the way we want to be treated ourselves. It doesn't last long.

You're no doubt familiar with the phrase "there is goodness in everyone." That's true; there is. But, just because there is goodness in everyone doesn't mean that most of the time people are good. At best, most of the time- people just don't care. That's typically human-kind's best trait. When we're at our most generous, we're only being selfish.

[Disney Duster]

"unborn people" (as they call them, who are not really people anyway, since they aren't able to survive outside the uterus, but anyway...)

Nope. They're ever people since they exist. I won't let what a bunch of scientists, or what any other people decide they'll call something be what I automatically think, to. And, I won't get into a big argument about this here either, I just stated something.

BUT since you told me more about stem cell research, I am more okay with it now. Thank you.

Lazario, I read all you said, but I do not think such negative things about humanity. Yes, we do bad things, as well as do good things. We constantly tell others to be good and really hope others will be good. We constantly make movies and entertainment about it, constantly teaching it. And we want to be good, too, at least.

Not that that would matter. I believe we're all good deep down, and in the very end good wins. Yes, even those that seem to do evil just to do evil. I believe underneath it all, whatever illness or f*cked up past made them that way, they are good underneath, and wish they could do good. Perhaps that's only spiritually, but oh well.

And aside from any of that, it still stands, all humans are special and worthy as they exist.

[Goliath]

"unborn people" (as they call them, who are not really people anyway, since they aren't able to survive outside the uterus, but anyway...)

Nope. They're people since they exist.

No, they're not. A lump of cells that can't survive on their own is not a human being.

I won't let what a bunch of scientists, or what any other people decide they'll call something be what I automatically think, to. And, I won't get into a big argument about this here either, I just stated something.

Yes, you stated you don't care about facts. Something I noticed a loooong time ago.

By the way: no, I don't believe all humans are good and worthy to exist. I could make a loooooong list of people that I wouldn't mind dropping dead this very moment and I think the world would be much better off without them.

[xxhplinkxx]

By the way: no, I don't believe all humans are good and worthy to exist. I could make a loooooong list of people that I wouldn't mind dropping dead this very moment and I think the world would be much better off without them.

Agreed.

[Lazario]

Nope. They're people since they exist.

No, they're not. A lump of cells that can't survive on their own is not a human being.

Are we talking about stem cell research or pregnancy with that?

I won't let what a bunch of scientists, or what any other people decide they'll call something be what I automatically think, to. And, I won't get into a big argument about this here either, I just stated something.

Yes, you stated you don't care about facts. Something I noticed a loooong time ago.

I have to agree with him, Duster. You're moralizing instead of taking a good blunt look at things. What's more, you seem to be distrustful of the scientists (probably for moral reasons) in this example. Which makes it hard to relate to you on this issue.

[Disney Duster]

No, they're not. A lump of cells that can't survive on their own is not a human being.

Yes, they are people. They are human, and they are living beings.

And yes everyone else, I read everything everyone else said, always taking into thought.

[Lazario]

No, they're not. A lump of cells that can't survive on their own is not a human being.

Yes, they are people. They are human, and they are living beings.

Maybe you can tell me- are we talking about pregnancy now?

If we are, the lump of cells can become a human being. But you need to know that most people don't get misty-eyed over a lump of cells. Especially if they could see it. But we don't need to see it, do we?

[Disney Duster]

Well, I am talking about a live being of human cells, not the dead ones used in stem cell research.

And in regards to getting misty-eyed for a living human being, which it is since it's a living being, and it's human, I thought you were the one saying most people are bad or only care about themselves? I don't believe that's true, and so...well, I don't need to talk about what I already did.

[Lazario]

And in regards to getting misty-eyed for a living human being, which it is since it's a living being, and it's human

You're avoiding something key here. You're purposefully replacing a lump of cells in your mind with a person like you or me. We don't start out the way we are now. If you were to look at a lump of cells with no thought capability / higher brain functions and feelings- it would be disgusting. It is disgusting. We are disgusting. We are fluids and plasmatic goops and squishy things and everything we are and do is sickening. We tell ourselves it isn't because it's incredibly unpleasent to look at things the way they really are.

Morality is pointless. Except in a version of the world we create as a fantasy or a daydream, to keep us from facing the truth. The truth is - we are not human as you say we are, until we start to look human.

[Disney Duster]

No, that is not the truth.

I believe in a spirit, a soul, being in us from the start. I believe what makes us human, special beings, who we are, is much more than science can ever prove, because science looks at only the physical, what they can see in front of them. That's all they can look at.

What you said has reminded me why I hate some sides of science. They seem to view things as just cells or whatever.

I see and believe more.

And guess what, I always can.

And so I will. And you will not crush it.

I suggest you also see and think and believe in things in a better light. Believe in the better things, the good things. Because, after all, you can.

[Escapay]

Because, after all, you can.

Because we CAN CAN CAN!

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Sorry, just wanted to bring some levity to the thread.

albert

[Flanger-Hanger]

Sorry, just wanted to bring some levity to the thread.

albert

Ya, good luck with that Scaps.

[SpringHeelJack]

Sorry, just wanted to bring some levity to the thread.

albert

Ya, good luck with that Scaps.

LULZ INORITE?

Seriously, I don't think we're going to get anywhere. Instead, we should all focus on what animal we will want to add to our own genetic structure once the senator's wildest nightmares come to be ala "Batman Beyond". I think I'd have to go with mountain lion. That'd be pretty sharp.

[disneyboy20022]

Ya, good luck with that Scaps.

LULZ INORITE?

Seriously, I don't think we're going to get anywhere. Instead, we should all focus on what animal we will want to add to our own genetic structure once the senator's wildest nightmares come to be ala "Batman Beyond". I think I'd have to go with mountain lion. That'd be pretty sharp.

Yeah.....I've sat and read long enough.....this thread was supposed to be what I felt was a joke.....ban half animals half humans...no frogman....I posted this story because it sounds so stupid.....I think we have bigger things going on than this....My purpose of this thread was never meant to bring up.....the stem cell human life issues because I know those are very touchy issues...... heck this thread is the reason I have not posted that how I heard on the news several elderly people think that the new health reform obama wants wants to kill elderly.....or be put out to pasture.....which I busted a gut when I heard the repuplicans even backing this conspiracy.....along with the whole, is Obama's birth certificate real.....was he really born and the whole birthers thing....idk....what I thought would be a fun and informative thread has turned into something I had hoped wouldn't happen....and never expected to....a back and forth debate that has gone way off topic...so before more this thread turns more Chaotic I request to one of the Forum Mods such as CJ or Aaron or whoever reads my message first....Lock this.....I have seen too many people on this board leave because of disagreements......and the disagreements basicly in the past have turned chaotic and I don't want to be responsible to see any forum members leave or any grudges be made over poltics.....

So with that I ask the forum mods to please lock this thread....before it does more damage than has already been done

[Escapay]

Before it gets locked, may I just be totally random* and say this:

"Double Your Pleasure®, Double Your Fun™"

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albert

*or half random, as a half-human half-animal could lead to a double-person. Or something. I don't know, I'm just really out of it tonight. Must be the lack of food and time change.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Scaps, are you suggesting that we cross breed humans and animals, kill them, mash them up into a fine paste and process them into some kind of minty gum to sell to unsuspecting people?

I LOVE IT!!

Brilliant I say, we could call it "Dr. Moreau's Double Trouble Mint Gum! "and use the profits to build a "Most Dangerous Game" style plantation to kill the victims required to make it!

*castle thunder*