Sen BrownBack wants ban on Half Human - half animal genetics

[disneyboy20022]

Okay.....usually.....usually.....I try not to bring politics up on the boards.....but.....Can we agree this guy is either watched too many Lord Of the Rings or realling spends too much time with Lions witches and Wardrobe.....


but...on the bright side....we still could see CatDog


Of all things with terrorists on the loose and the failing economy....I guess the last thing I need is seeing a Fishman.....walking up..wall street......I mean if this law doesn't pass.....one day.....one of the samali pirates might end up calling himself Davy Jones and look like the Disney's Davy Jones who is not friends with Jack Sparrow...... in the movie Pirates of the Caribbean 2 and 3..

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Defau ... ?id=602118

http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/19195


http://www.politico.com/blogs/glennthru ... ml?showall

[SpringHeelJack]

I've always said this is the sort of thing U.S. senators need to focus on. Not actually doing things, but thinking about how to prevent irrelevant things that might not be happening soon.

[Goliath]

I don't even know what this story is about, but I know that anything coming from Sam Brownback has to be batshit crazy. I'm sorry, but anyone who believes the earth is 12,000 years old and was created in 6 days doesn't belong in politics. (And that goes for Dutch politics, as well!)

[disneyboy20022]

Myself...I don't think any religion should be a factor in when deciding which politician you vote for....sorry....its just the way I think.....

[Disney Duster]

I think I would approve of this ban, perhaps if I knew a little more info.

Everyone believes different things, no scientist believes all the same things another scientist does. Only what a person believes about how to govern should really matter when they run for office.

A lot of people aren't taking this seriously because they think no human-animal hybrids will happen.

But I do not want them to try to put a human brain in a mouse or anything like that. Similar to mecha-humans and cyborgs, these only part-human people that certain futuristic people want to make certainly sound bad. There's really no question, it's as plain as the fact this statement is true: They want to make humans that are less human. Maybe more robot, maybe more animal. But less human. That statement is plainly fact, my friends.

I don't care if doing these scientific things gets rid of disease or not. How on earth is it we are meant to live with no illness, no death, no bad things in the world at all? Especially when you remember something is only bad if you don't like it. Something bad to one person may be liked by another person. I don't think I would want to live in a future where nobody died. And what if Hitler couldn't die?

If my parent was dying and embryonic stem cell research that killed embryos would save her, no, I wouldn't do it. Kill others to save one person? No, I wouldn't do it. The end justifies the means? Well isn't that a nice excuse, do bad things to get one good thing. Nice.

Our world is overpopulated, and growing. Killing off illness or even someday ending death may cause some problems to say the least. It's like when hunters aren't allowed to hunt and so deer run all over the place getting into accidents and eating people's food and doing lots of damage. I don't approve of hunting for sport and would try to discourage others from it, but it's a free country as long as you aren't harming humans. As long as you aren't harming or f*cking around with the biology of humans.

[Goliath]

The point is: this isn't happening! It's hogwash! It's a non-issue! It's taking time and attention away from real problems! It's simply stupid to even bring it up.

It literally was one of the storylines on Disney's Gargoyles!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGOPVf5h ... 0E&index=3

Human animal hybrids concern Congress: Human Animal Hybird Prohibition Act of 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LuQ91k8e1LQ



Olbermann: "As you know, the nation's currently in a state of abject crisis. A recent study by the Board of Irresponsible People found that Americans were worried about, in decending order, the economy, health care, terrorism, mermaids, climate change, centaurs, catwomen, Iraq, North-Korea, Spiderman, man-cows, werewolves, bigfoots, sasquatsches and humanzees. A disturbing trend is emerging!"

[Disney Duster]

That's funny, after clicking your link I found a link about the pros and cons of stem-cell research and the concerns of over-population.

What's also funny is:

Scientists already created human-animal hybrids. They already exist.

Meaning:

That they are happening. They have happened.

So, um, yea.

[Escapay]

I wonder what will happen in the far future when a Earth human and an alien being of the same intelligence as human (thus not classifying as a mere animal) fall in love and want to have children together. First off, they'd have to know if such a procreation is possible, but then if this bill ever became law...would this interspecies couple be allowed to procreate? Or would they not be allowed to since human genes apparently shouldn't be mixed with anything else?

This reminds me of the Doctor Who episode called "The End of the World" (from Series One), which was followed up with "New Earth" (from Series Two). Both feature Lady Cassandra O'Brien dot Delta 17, who claimed herself to be the last pure human in the universe as she was the last one born on Earth, and no one in her family ever bred with an alien species. The rest of the human race interbred with other aliens, so Cassandra haughtingly called them mongrels, even if they labeled themselves as "New Humans", "Proto Humans", "Digi Humans", "Human-esque", etc. And yet...she looked like this:



Years of cosmetic surgery in order for her to preserve her "humanity".

Rose called her a bitchy trampoline.

albert

[stewie15]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes the earth is 12,000 years old and was created in 6 days doesn't belong in politics.

So does this mean I cant one day get into politics?

I don't mean to turn this into a religious debate but I think that every citizen of a county, no matter what they believe should be able to join their counties political system. Just because I believe in Christ doesn't mean I couldn't make a good MPP one day.

I feel that the people that mix their religious beliefs with politics are the ones who shouldn't be members of our governments.

[Goliath]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes the earth is 12,000 years old and was created in 6 days doesn't belong in politics.

So does this mean I cant one day get into politics?

I don't mean to turn this into a religious debate but I think that every citizen of a county, no matter what they believe should be able to join their counties political system. Just because I believe in Christ doesn't mean I couldn't make a good MPP one day.

I feel that the people that mix their religious beliefs with politics are the ones who shouldn't be members of our governments.

I agree with you on that last sentiment. But if you really believe the planet Earth is only 12,000 years old, you are garantueed to let your religious beliefs interfere with your politics, because if you are willing to suspend pure, cold, hard, proven facts about the age of planet Earth, you will do it again in the future. You put your religious beliefs above proven truths and that doesn't help anybody.

Bill Hicks explained why this is so dangerous; also pointing out the absurdity of ignoring facts like fossils and dinosaurs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmglGWMsdk

Lewis Black also talked about the dangers of fundamentalism in politics, e.g. ignoring facts:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGrlWOhtj3g

[Disney Duster]

Goliath will not like this, but I will lend something to stewie15.

No one can be absolutely sure of anything. For all we know, some aliens stopped time for the planet Earth and played games on it for a while, then left and let it resume, so actually Earth really was in existence for the years they played hackeysack on it. Hey, when even some scientists believe in life on other planets and being able to change time... And as I said, no scientist agrees on every single thing another scientist thinks is true.

Science changes. They discover things that disprove what they thought before. Once they thought the planet was this old, or there weren't very many adult stem cells. Then they learned the planet was a different age, and there are plenty of adult stem cells.

Every single person on this Earth has different beliefs and things we thought were cold, hard facts or truths before become wrong when we discover something new.

All that should matter is your beliefs in politics and governing. If you think that religion should be in politics, well, simply put, people that don't believe that's right won't vote for you.

And personally, it seems pretty far-fetched anyone can know for sure how old something is when it was made before anyone was born. Sure, they probably found out what was very, very likely, but they can't really ever know for sure because no one was there when it was made. But I'll go along with it. Sure, I'll believe.

[Lazario]

Myself...I don't think any religion should be a factor in when deciding which politician you vote for....sorry....its just the way I think.....

Did that have anything to do with your starting this topic, though? Or is it a B-side?


I don't know anything about this Senator Brownback (or whatever). But from what I'm hearing - yes, it does sound like these politicians are only calling for this ban because they think God created the human genetic code and that it should never be tampered with, for that reason.

[Goliath]

I'm sorry, Disney Duster, but what you're saying is simply not rational. As is believing the Earth is 12,000 years old and created in six days. We shouldn't guess about these things. We shouldn't engage in ridiculous 'what if'-scenarios (like your aliens). We're not talking about a science-fiction film here. We're talking about actual history. We have found dinosaur fossils that we can date to be millions of years old. We have found things ('tools' and paintings) that humans used that we can date to be tens of thousands years old.

Those are not opinions. Those are facts. To ignore these, or to argue them away by using a cliché like "science changes", is not rational. And people who are not rational should not be in politics.

[Jules]

I'm sorry, but anyone who believes the earth is 12,000 years old and was created in 6 days doesn't belong in politics.

So does this mean I cant one day get into politics?

I don't mean to turn this into a religious debate but I think that every citizen of a county, no matter what they believe should be able to join their counties political system. Just because I believe in Christ doesn't mean I couldn't make a good MPP one day.

I feel that the people that mix their religious beliefs with politics are the ones who shouldn't be members of our governments.

Stewie, I'm Roman Catholic myself, but I don't believe God created the world in seven days. I don't believe he created Eve out of one of Adam's ribs. I don't even believe Moses crossed the Red Sea in spectacular fashion, the way the Bible says.

That doesn't mean I lack faith. Pope John Paul II once wrote an encyclical called "Fides et Ratio". That's Latin for "Faith and Reason". It explained that we must be faithful, but not blind to logic, either. The Bible has many scientific mistakes in it. The Earth wasn't created in seven days and Adam and Eve never existed. But that's not even a mistake ... that's because the writers of the Genesis never intended their story to be interpreted literally. It's all symbolism.

Another example: the book of Exodus was written in the form of a saga. That means the story was somewhat embellished with thrilling events to make it exciting. God was not a show-off (and neither was Jesus, for that matter). He did not need to split the ocean in two to prove his power. In reality, Moses did not cross the Red Sea, but most probably the sea of reeds. It was shallow, and the reeds themselves prevented the Egyptians from following the Jews. See how it works out? The outcome is still the same. The Jews were still saved, perhaps somewhat less fantastically.

Just to clarify, stewie ... What I have written is supported by the Roman Catholic Church. So if you happen to meet Pope Benedict, ask for his autograph, have a chat about Disney movies, and then tell him this stuff, he should agree with you. If you still believe in the tales of the Genesis, then surely you were horrified when you learned of Charles Darwin's theory of human evolution!

Anyways ... I guess I should now go read the article linked to in the first post of this thread and see what the hell I'm supposed to be talking about!

[ajmrowland]

I'm sorry, Disney Duster, but what you're saying is simply not rational. As is believing the Earth is 12,000 years old and created in six days. We shouldn't guess about these things. We shouldn't engage in ridiculous 'what if'-scenarios (like your aliens). We're not talking about a science-fiction film here. We're talking about actual history. We have found dinosaur fossils that we can date to be millions of years old. We have found things ('tools' and paintings) that humans used that we can date to be tens of thousands years old.

Those are not opinions. Those are facts. To ignore these, or to argue them away by using a cliché like "science changes", is not rational. And people who are not rational should not be in politics.

Well, what he's saying is that we don't know this. His "what if" theory, albeit rediculous, is still a theory.

I personally believe that God created the world over a long time, 4.5 billion years ago, and created everything that was on earth then, and like any inventor, continued to create species and modify, and perfect existing ones. God created the world, and evolution as has happened on earth.

[disneyboy20022]

I also don't believe Earth was created in 7 days.....at least 7 days as we currently think of Sunday - Saturday.....This also goes for my belief people didn't live for 500 years or older....because back then...their years may not be 12 months and 365 days as we think of.....30 days could be a year.........Because I have a feeling there wasn't always Sunday - Saturday and the current time....back in the bible days....


And also about the ban on half human half animal.....I don't care whether we were created by god or we evolved from some little speck.....I wouldn't think at this current time we need a ban on it...because it shouldn't be happening anyway.....

also regarding putting a human Brain in a mouse. or a Mouse who is smarter than humans......we had that on a cartoon series created by Steve Spielberg....though somehow you would have put the a peanut into a mouse for a brain and you get a real life Pinky and the Brain


I mean honestly I think this senator got scared when heard about G-Force and thats how this bill got brought up....

[Goliath]

Well, what he's saying is that we don't know this. His "what if" theory, albeit rediculous, is still a theory.

It's ridiculous and it's not a theory. A theory has to be build on something, on arguments and findings and evidence. And until that theory gets disproved by new facts, that theory stands. But Duster's "what ifs" don't have any basis or merit.

[yamiiguy]

I really can't think of anything worthwhile that would come out from cross Genus hybrids, natural intergenus hybrids maybe, I'd be fine with a Homo sapien/Homo erectus cross but I don't think there is really any point in attempting a Homo sapien/Erinaceus europaeus or Homo sapien/Passer domesticus cross

[Disney Duster]

I don't know anything about this Senator Brownback (or whatever). But from what I'm hearing - yes, it does sound like these politicians are only calling for this ban because they think God created the human genetic code and that it should never be tampered with, for that reason.

Well, actually it sounds like they are saying it shouldn't be tampered with because, well, then you won't be human!

Goliath, there is no way anyone is able to truly no how old something was when they weren't around to see it's beginning. Very likely, lots of evidence and theories, sure, and I'll believe them, sure, but we still do not know for sure.

Aren't there like, a whole bunch of theories that can exist at one time? So I guess certain "facts" just bump off some. I'm fine with there being a theory that the Earth is however old, but no one has invented a time machine to check, so yea, I'll just believe it, but I won't truly know, like everybody else.

And I have never heard "science changes" as a cliche before. I thought I was the first one who said something like that. Hm.

Thank you ajm.

And if you need some evidence Goliath, I base my theory that aliens stopped time and played hackysack on the very same scientific evidence that makes scientists think life exists out in other galaxies even though we've only ever truly found life on this wonderful earth. Ahee. Also, the little dents and craters and holes in the earth, that totally supports that it could be when they dropped their heavy alien hackysacks. Aheehee.

[Lazario]

Well, actually it sounds like they are saying it shouldn't be tampered with because, well, then you won't be human!

Not everyone is going to get this thing done to them, even in a magical world where more than a few people would want this done to them. So, let's first rule out the possibility that I'm going to be any less human later than I am now. Ain't gonna happen.

I think it's naive to not try and read between the lines of what people like this senator are saying. And dismissive, not to think of the potential benefits. I'm not thinking of them- just because I don't care. But for a politician to try and control science, that a lot of people might consider progress... It's better to look at their reasons for supporting this than this guy's reason for wanting a ban on it.

And being human... Well, it doesn't always work for everyone. Wouldn't you agree?