WALT DISNEY TREASURES WAVE IX - *POLL*

[skippy]

Because someone doesn't want what you want doesn't make their opinion any less valid.

No one is calling you a "boring documentary completist".

What is wonderful about Disney is the different areas that his work encompassed.

I think when the Treasures uses it's releases to try and introduce us to characters or genres, it fails. Example: Swamp Fox and Oswald. I still see these sets out and about.

When it gives us what we collectively as a public, not as a bunch of disney-philes wants is when it suceeds for the company and $ is made.

Do I like the "Scarecrow" and find it to be one of the finest pieces of Disney product ever? Heck, no.

But, the public lapped it up quickly, and it is releases like "Scarecrow", that will keep the Treasures series going, with an occassional tidbit for the hardcores like yourself.

Going by E-bay and Amazon prices, I think Ranger Woodlore will eventually get his due.

[Rudy Matt]

Because someone doesn't want what you want doesn't make their opinion any less valid. No one is calling you a "boring documentary completist".

Because only one has put the People and Places series at the bottom of a list of 17 suggested properties, infering it is the least valid suggestion from Walt Disney fans.

What is wonderful about Disney is the different areas that his work encompassed.

And how well he produced his films.

I think when the Treasures uses it's releases to try and introduce us to characters or genres, it fails. Example: Swamp Fox and Oswald. I still see these sets out and about.

Or Annette and Hardy Boys and Spin and Marty.

When it gives us what we collectively as a public, not as a bunch of disney-philes wants is when it suceeds for the company and $ is made.

Well, if they wanted Ranger Woodlore cartoons, they've already purchased them on the Donald sets. If they want Ranger Woodlore filler, I say they can go someplace else other than the Treasures line.

Do I like the "Scarecrow" and find it to be one of the finest pieces of Disney product ever? Heck, no.

Yeah, it kinda sucks.

But, the public lapped it up quickly, and it is releases like "Scarecrow", that will keep the Treasures series going, with an occassional tidbit for the hardcores like yourself.

They made 35,000 copies. That's .001 % percent of the population of the United States. Come on, the set was designed to sell out.

Going by E-bay and Amazon prices, I think Ranger Woodlore will eventually get his due./i]

Oh, I think a "Ranger Woodlore" DVD line would sell like gangbusters...I just don't think the Treasures line is the proper venue for multiple recycled cartoons with low budget TV animation bridging the gaps.

[Escapay]

Because someone doesn't want what you want doesn't make their opinion any less valid. No one is calling you a "boring documentary completist".

Because only one has put the People and Places series at the bottom of a list of 17 suggested properties, infering it is the least valid suggestion from Walt Disney fans.

But one person does not speak for the thousands of Disney fans out there or the 5649 members of UD (even if probably only 200 those members actually post anymore...).

It's just one person's opinion, after all, as yours is your own opinion. Neither represent Disney fandom as a whole, nor should it.

albert

[skippy]

I don't think that is the inference at all. Something had to go last.

Maybe the only way we ever get these is through pestering Dick Cook, politely of course, that we would want to see these. After a recent email with Leonard Maltin, I am expecting the worst with this wave, as he wrote me something to the effect of "I can only make suggestions about what get released, the final say is Disney's". I took that to mean that we will get some sort of hodge-podge Zorro nonsense, rather than a chronological set-up of tv movies, as that was what my question to him was about.

In the 1st wave of treasures there is a commercial about what will be coming and it showed true-life adventures in the montage. How these things get released changes over time as the evil marketeers get their fingers in every pie. I believe that People and Places will somehow make their way to our eyes at some point, and when they do, it will surprise some people with it's quality.

The Disney Co. itself is to blame for the lack of respect these films get, however, like with the made for tv cheapquel cartoons, one can only hear so much about "A Timeless Walt Disney Classic" without just zoning it out anymore.

As far as Scarecrow being made to sell-out, I believe it was made for general release and then held back, right?
So, at some point Disney had to believe there was not a market for wide general release.
The time for Hardy Boys and Annette treasures passed about 15 years ago, to the marketeers, the dying baby boomers are ready for their Wonderful World of Color fix now.

[Escapay]

As far as Scarecrow being made to sell-out, I believe it was made for general release and then held back, right?
So, at some point Disney had to believe there was not a market for wide general release.

It was originally announced that the movie version (and not the 3-episode version) would be one of the catalog DVD releases in the August 3, 2004 wave (with Darby O'Gill and the Little People, The Shaggy Dog, The Shaggy D.A., and The Black Hole) but it was suddenly postponed without any statement as to why (as were the Shaggy films, though they got released in 2006 to promote the Tim Allen remake). Either way, it eventually got a release, though I think more fans would have preferred it be a general release rather than the limited quantity Treasures (though the fact that it was a Treasures release guaranteed it got some extras, as opposed to the majority of Disney's live-action catalogue films on DVD).

albert

[PeterPanfan]

There should be three or four options, but I voted for Song of the South.

Other three:

Ludwig Von Drake
Rarities: Volume Two
Chip 'n Dale

[a-net-fan]

Because only one has put the People and Places series at the bottom of a list of 17 suggested properties, infering it is the least valid suggestion from Walt Disney fans.

But one person does not speak for the thousands of Disney fans out there or the 5649 members of UD (even if probably only 200 those members actually post anymore...).

It's just one person's opinion, after all, as yours is your own opinion. Neither represent Disney fandom as a whole, nor should it.

albert

Thats right....everyone has a right to their own opinion and nobody should feel threatened in any way by what someone else prefers!! Even tho I would prefer to see very little if any recycled material in the Treasures series, I really like all the ideas and would gladly buy any of them.

The time for Hardy Boys and Annette treasures passed about 15 years ago

I disagree with this statement. People of all ages enjoy this type of programming and there are still plenty of "baby boomers" around who are after this material as well. Im 28 and in the 80s I grew up with the original MMC reruns on the Disney Channel and enjoyed it when it was running as part of Vault Disney (which I miss very much). So to suggest this type of release is passe would be incorrect.

[R2-JD]

Well, I had a hard time deciding which single one to vote for but I voted for Your Host Walt Disney Volume 2 - Disneyland.

These are all ones I really want to see.

Ludwig Von Drake
Song of the South (I have to admit I have never seen this movie in it's entirety, I have only seen clips of the cartoon segments)
Ranger Woodlore/ Humphry the Bear
Rarities V.2
Chip and Dale
Jiminy Cricket

JD

[skippy]

The time for Hardy Boys and Annette treasures passed about 15 years ago

I disagree with this statement. People of all ages enjoy this type of programming and there are still plenty of "baby boomers" around who are after this material as well. Im 28 and in the 80s I grew up with the original MMC reruns on the Disney Channel and enjoyed it when it was running as part of Vault Disney (which I miss very much). So to suggest this type of release is passe would be incorrect.[/quote]

I 100 percent agree with you that these are still valid shows, I'm 36 and I enjoy seeing them for the first time, but I think we are in the minority. What I meant to imfer is that they would have been more popular released 15 years ago, and Wonderful World of Color era Treasures might be more popular with the general public.

[merlinjones]

The only reason there is not a wider demand for most of this material is that the company has purposefully neglected to create it for the past 20 years - - the shows have not been perpetuated through availability as they used to be.

And no kind of marketing currently tries to sell them to the general public or create demand. It is the choice of the company, not inherent relevance or potential popularity, that designates them as "vault" and "archival" instead of "evergreen."

The Treasures are not designed to sell to anyone but those who already know about them so they don't distract from current marketing initiatives and franchises.

"Dr. Syn" has many, many more baby boomer general public fans out there who don't even know this title was ever available.

[LindaMYoung]

It's really hard to pick from any of these because I would want all!

I'm an animal lover, though, and my dearest wish would be to see sets of all the animal stories they did on the television show over the years. I have only a few that I recorded back when the Disney Channel showed REAL Disney stuff and I could kick myself for not recording stuff like "Little Dog Lost" and getting better copies of the few stories I do have!

I would love a dog set with "Greta the Misfit Greyhound," "Legend of the Two Gypsy Dogs," "Little Dog Lost," etc., a horse set with "Run, Appaloosa, Run" (my absolute favorite of all the horse stories), "Stormy the Thoroughbred," "Horse With the Flying Tail," etc. and a wild animals set with "Flash, the Teenage Otter," "Run, Light Buck, Run," "The Wahoo Bobcat," etc.

And what about all those great kids' adventure stories like "Way Down Cellar" and "Strange Monster of Strawberry Cove"...

[Darby]

[Do I like the "Scarecrow" and find it to be one of the finest pieces of Disney product ever? Heck, no.

Yeah, it kinda sucks.

Ouch! Everyone is entitled to their opinon, but as a Scarecrow fan, I have disagree with you here and I'm curious to know exactly what about the Scarecrow is it that in your judgment "kinda sucks".

Darby

[Darby]

After a recent email with Leonard Maltin, I am expecting the worst with this wave, as he wrote me something to the effect of "I can only make suggestions about what get released, the final say is Disney's". I took that to mean that we will get some sort of hodge-podge Zorro nonsense, rather than a chronological set-up of tv movies, as that was what my question to him was about.

Yikes, that's a pretty scary omen! A hodge-podge Zorro release? Yuck! Hopefully they will hear the fans and put out at, at the very least, the 4 hour-long Disneyland episodes that comprise "Season 3" (and, of course, the two theatrical releases, The Sign of Zorro and Zorro the Avenger, but I'm not greedy...wait...on second thought...Yes, I am!).

Darby