WALT DISNEY TREASURES WAVE IX - *POLL*

[a-net-fan]

OK so I decided to go thru the Walt Disney Treasures Wave IX thread and collect the most popular titles that have been suggested for the next wave and create a poll.

[The_Iceflash]

I'd like to see any one of those. (Minus Your Host Walt Disney V.2. I would rather see one of the others in there before that.) (Of course I'd love them to throw one of the older sets from the first two or three waves in there as well)

[Rudy Matt]

PEOPLE AND PLACES and Rarities Vol. II

Seriously, and I don't mean to step on any toes, but the People and Places films were recognized by the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. The modern studio can be proud of these films, and they deserve to be preserved and presented.

I know some of you are completionists and you want more Swamp Fox and Elfego just to fill the gaps in your collections. But I want Walt's theatrical films on DVD, and that's a possible goal. There's no way we could expect all of his TV product to be released via the Treasures Line. But you could releases two volumes of the People and Places series and include them all.

Zorro, great.
More Rarities, great.
Chip and Dale, great.
Even educational films, great --

-- But above all of these are the Oscar-nominated People and Places films. When one discusses the buried treasures of Walt's produced films, there are the lost Oswalds and Alice films, missing title cards from the Mickey shorts, the missing audio from the original release version of Fantasia, Song of the South, etc...but just as important as these are the People and Places films, and they have languished in complete and utter obscurity for decades now. The closest you'll get is the "Disneyland USA" P&P release seen on the Disneyland: Secrets, Stories and Magic.

It's time to dust them off. It's time once again to honor the man who produced them, time once again to let his work demonstrate how ecelectic he was as a film producer. Isn't that what the Disney Treasures line is supposed to be about?

It's time for the People and Places.

[goofystitch]

I can only pick one? I hope that they do 4 volumes (since this may be the last) and my hope for the other three titles will be Song of the South, Rarities V2, and Spin and Marty 2.

I would love to have People and Places and I would be happy with those too, but those would be good additions if Disney wanted to revive the defunct Legacy Collection.

I hope they don't waste our time with a Chip & Dale set. I love those chipmunks, but all of their cartoons are available on DVD. They may not all be part of the Treasures line, but why would I buy a package of shorts that I already have on separate volumes?

[PrincePhillipFan]

I want to see a Ludwig set more than anything, speficially his first episode, Mickey and the Beanstalk, and Music For Everyone. And hopefully if one ever does some fruitation, they include maybe a featurette on Paul Frees or Ward Kimball with it.

[Escapay]

I voted for "People and Places" because it seemed the most likely one to get a release on the list, along with Rarities V2 and Ludwig.

albert

[ohmahaaha]

I voted for "Rarities 2" - because that should encompass all remaining animated shorts/specials not released yet to round out the Animated library. "Chip and Dale" do not have enough cartoons to warrant their own treasure, as has been pointed out countless times on this Forum - their solo cartoons would fit nicely on the Rarities 2 volume.

"Song of the South" - we all want to see, but including it in this poll you probably kind of knew (or at least hoped) it would be the run away favorite for some bigwig to see ... I would prefer to see it with it's own Special Edition release which it deserves.

[blackcauldron85]

I voted for Song of the South. I don't really care if the movie is released as a Treasures set or if it's in a Special Edition, as long as it is released!

My 2nd vote would go to the educational shorts...if that were an option and if we were allowed to vote twice! Then my 3rd vote would go to Ludwig Von Drake.

[blaing]

For me, It would have to be Rarities Volume 2, with Ludwig not far behind

[Barbossa]

I didn't vote because I'd like to see all of those. If the were all released, these selections could extend the Treasures line for another three years.

[Mr. Toad]

Should have had a poll allowing multiple selections.

Anyways, People and Places is far and away my #1, Rarities #2 with some educational stuff and Ludwig. Are also on my list.

Anything but another volume of the Swamp Fox.

[slave2moonlight]

I selected Song of the South, because anything to finally get an official edition! Though, I badly want the rest of Swamp Fox, and as much as I want a second set of Rarities, I'd want the rest of Swamp Fox first just to complete that series.

Beyond that, they're all great except I'd expect the Your Host Walt Disney to have too much potential to get stuff we've already gotten. I could easily see another Disneyland themed set though (MUST GET Disneyland Showtime!), and I'd love to see a set on Disney World as well (they could even do one just on EPCOT if they wanted)!

[a-net-fan]

"Song of the South" - we all want to see, but including it in this poll you probably kind of knew (or at least hoped) it would be the run away favorite for some bigwig to see ... I would prefer to see it with it's own Special Edition release which it deserves.

Actually thats not the case at all. It was included because it was one of the more popular ideas discussed on the Wave IX thread. To be honest I didnt vote for Song of the South myself, so no, there was no motive from me by including it in the list of choices. The comany already knows the demand for this films release. I too would rather see it released on its own but the reality is the Treasures collection is the best chance at us getting it in our hands at this time or anytime in the near future.

Also the reason I didnt have a poll with multiple selections is because everyone has already shared what they would be in favor of seeing join the collection on the other thread. There are, I presume, only two more titles to be announced for the next wave and by only allowing one vote per person,this will show us what Title ideas are at the forfront of everyones "want list". So if you could only pick one title out of all these ideas....what one would it be....that my friends is the question....

[merlinjones]

How I would rank the entire list - plus a few that weren't listed:

1) Song of the South (though this should really be a wide release Platinum title, so I voted for Von Drake)

2) Ludwig Von Drake V.1 (there are 18 VonDrake episodes from Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color)

3) Zorro (as many volumes as it takes to get 78 half hours, 4 one hours and 2 features)

4) Ranger Woodlore/Humphrey the Bear (shorts plus 4 one hour shows)

5) Chip 'n' Dale (shorts plus one hour show)

6) Magic Mirror (5 or 6 one hour shows)

7) Jiminy Cricket (shorts plus 4 or 5 one hour shows)

Disneyland V.3 (incl. Disneyland Showtime, Pirates/Tomorrow, park films)

9) A Walt Disney Christmas

10) A Walt Disney Halloween

11) Your Host Walt Disney V.2

12) Rarities V.2

13) The Complete Swamp Fox (all six)

14) Spin and Marty V. 2 (maybe include both sequels)

15) Annette V. 2 (unreleased movies and music videos)

16) Corky and White Shadow

17) People and Places

*) Swamp Fox/ Elfego Baca V.2 (wouldn't do this - - would do a Complete Swamp Fox instead)

**) And we really must have The Prince and the Pauper, Sammy the Way Out Seal, The Horsemasters, Escapade in Florence, The Sword and the Rose, The Light in the Forest, etc. as stand alone features, Treasures or not

***) Do kinescopes for the local "Meet in Me at Disneyland" variety series exist?

[Rudy Matt]

How I would rank the entire list - plus a few that weren't listed:

1) Song of the South (though this should really be a wide release Platinum title, so I voted for Von Drake)

2) Ludwig Von Drake V.1 (there are 18 VonDrake episodes from Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color)

3) Zorro (as many volumes as it takes to get 78 half hours, 4 one hours and 2 features)

4) Ranger Woodlore/Humphrey the Bear (shorts plus 4 one hour shows)

5) Chip 'n' Dale (shorts plus one hour show)

6) Magic Mirror (5 or 6 one hour shows)

7) Jiminy Cricket (shorts plus 4 or 5 one hour shows)

Disneyland V.3 (incl. Disneyland Showtime, Pirates/Tomorrow, park films)

9) A Walt Disney Christmas

10) A Walt Disney Halloween

11) Your Host Walt Disney V.2

12) Rarities V.2

13) The Complete Swamp Fox (all six)

14) Spin and Marty V. 2 (maybe include both sequels)

15) Annette V. 2 (unreleased movies and music videos)

16) Corky and White Shadow

17) People and Places

*) Swamp Fox/ Elfego Baca V.2 (wouldn't do this - - would do a Complete Swamp Fox instead)

**) And we really must have The Prince and the Pauper, Sammy the Way Out Seal, The Horsemasters, Escapade in Florence, The Sword and the Rose, The Light in the Forest, etc. as stand alone features, Treasures or not

***) Do kinescopes for the local "Meet in Me at Disneyland" variety series exist?

I don't know, but I'd rather see a Kinescope of Walt Disney's Disneyland rehearsals than all the TV product you listed -- most of which are nothing more than intro shows with rudimentary animation introducing theatrical product.

Yes, I know the Disney Treasures label casts a wide shadow. But 9 minutes of new Ranger Woodlore animation introducing 38 minutes of previously released cartoons is not what I would call a "Treasure" -- I call it a nostalgia trip -

Jiminy Crcket intros for Christmas episodes? Nostalgia trip
Magic Mirror episodes - Nostalgia Trip
Ranger Woodlore -- Cartoons already released, intros nothing more than a Nostalgia Trip
Walt Disney Christmas? -- Recycled cartoons and feature footage, no point
Walt Disney Halloween? -- Recycled cartoons and feature footage, no point
Swamp Fox -- Absolutely Awful TV Show, its an embarassment
Corky and the White Shadow? -- over films nominated for Oscars?

The fact that you list the People and Places series last tells me you're a TV episode completionist, and you would list Gallegher and Texas John Slaughter and Mickey Mouse Club mediocrity serials and every other Walt produced TV episode ever produced under the sun -- you'd name all of these over Walt's honored films about diverse cultures. You want the Treasure series to serve your TV completionist fetish, as opposed to its stated goal of highlighting the eclectic career of Walt Disney.

Seriously -- You'd rather see sets comprised of made for TV animation footage bridging the gaps between previously released cartoons? And you'd call that a "Treasure"? You want sets comprised of recycled previously released TV episodes over the Oscar-nominated People and Places series? You'd rank the People and Places last?

[merlinjones]

>>Jiminy Crcket intros for Christmas episodes? Nostalgia trip<<

Yes! I LOVE that show and song - - and the MMC Jiminy Cricket educational shorts need a home too!

>>Ranger Woodlore -- Cartoons already released, intros nothing more than a Nostalgia Trip<<

Too bad you don't know the shows - - only one of the four hour shows with Woodlore is a (great) compilation of the shorts with new bridging footage - - the other three are nature shows with new Woodlore animation (and the duck Nephews and new songs too!).

Same goes for Jiminy and Magic Mirror shows - - these have a lot of new footage, especially One Hour in Wonderland and the Walt Disney Christmas Show.

And the nostalgia factor is hardly negligible in the sales appeal of any set. Those oft-repeated TV hours are the versions baby boomers first knew and loved.

Besides, the Treasures often suffer from being completist - - ALL the shorts are included good or bad, meaning you have to wade through them to watch. The TV hours with newer footage are great intros to the characters for younger audiences because they are mostly the BEST cartoons cut into a fresh overall context. Something we are lacking these days in any other venue.

As for Christmas and Halloween, etc. -- for the sake of convenience I'd like themed collections of the best material (including alternate versions) for actual Holiday viewing and entertainment purposes, not just for archiving and dust-collecting. : )

>>The fact that you list the People and Places series last tells me you're a TV episode completionist, and you would list Gallegher and Texas John Slaughter and Mickey Mouse Club mediocrity serials and every other Walt produced TV episode ever produced under the sun<<

No, I don't care much for Gallegher and Texas John Slaughter, which is probably why they aren't on my list... (I quite like Zorro and The Swamp Fox, though).

But I DO love Ludwig VonDrake, Ranger Woodlore, Jiminy Cricket, Chip n Dale and Hans Conreid's version of the Magic Mirror - - Sure - - if they offered season sets or even "best of" sets from Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color and Disneyland, I'd very much love to buy them! The Donald Duck TV compilation hours are really good too. And these animated TV shows are a huge part of Walt Disney's legacy.

I feel the same about The Bugs Bunny Show from WB - - I'd like to see the 1960 two season prime-time TV format with the new animation released to DVD - - not just the cans of shorts. There was an art to those compilation shows of the 50s and 60s - - well selected shorts, themes - - and some great personality animation and character relationships developed in the new footage.

[Rudy Matt]

>>Ranger Woodlore -- Cartoons already released, intros nothing more than a Nostalgia Trip<<

Too bad you don't know the shows - - only one of the four hour shows with Woodlore is a compilation of the shorts with new bridging footage - - the other three are nature shows with new Woodlore animation.

Oh, you mean, the rest is TV animation of Woodlore with recycled True Life Adventure footage? So that justifies an entire Treasures set? That's more worthwhile than films nominated for Oscars?

Seriously -- You'd rather see sets comprised of made for TV animation footage bridging the gaps between previously released cartoons? And you'd call that a "Treasure"? You want sets comprised of recycled previously released TV episodes over the Oscar-nominated People and Places series? You'd rank the People and Places last?

Answer the question.

Same goes for Jiminy and Magic Mirror - - these have a lot of new footage. And the nostalgia factor is hardly negligible in the appeal of any set.

That's not the question -- TV episodes with 40 minutes of recycled footage from features and previously released cartoons or True Life feaures ... versus Oscar-nominated films produced by Walt Disney that no one has seen in DECADES.

Give me a break!

Besides, the Treasures often suffer from being completist - - ALL the shorts are included good or bad, meaning you have to wade through them.

Maybe YOU have to wade through them.

The TV hours with newer footage are great intros to the characters for younger audiences because they are mostly the BEST cartoons cut into a fresh overall context.

Well, that's not the mandate of the Disney Treasures line, is it? You want to cut the films and pander to tweeners and make a great "introduction", you've got that imbelic House of Mouse and the DTV features to do that, don't you? You take your direct to video stain and go nuts -- meanwhile, leave the Walt films alone -- and let the Walt Disney Treasures actually STAND FOR SOMETHING! THE FILM LEGACY OF WALT DISNEY!

As for Christmas and Halloween, etc. -- for the sake of convenience I'd like themed collections of the best material (including alternate versions) for actual Holiday viewing and entertainment purposes, not just for archiving and dust-collecting. : )

Well, the Disney Treasures line is not about "theming" cartoons for your kids. That's what the other brands of Disney Home Video are for.

[merlinjones]

>>let the Walt Disney Treasures actually STAND FOR SOMETHING! THE FILM LEGACY OF WALT DISNEY!<<

All of the original animation produced for Disneyland, Walt Disney Presents and Walt Disney's Wonderful World of Color during Walt Disney's lifetime WAS a huge part of his film legacy - - all of it made by the very same feature animation studio - - even the 9 old men worked on some of these shows between movies - - and former feature directors cut a lot of those shows together. And sometimes there is an original Sherman Brothers tune!

These shows are Walt Disney Treasures too, just like People and Places, and better yet - - even more entertaining!

Don't get me wrong, I'd very much like to see P&P come to DVD - - but ALL of Walt's own animation footage should also be released. Walt's animation is his number one legacy and the anthology show was quite wonderful indeed in that regard.

[Rudy Matt]

Don't get me wrong, I'd very much like to see P&P come to DVD - - but ALL of Walt's own animation footage should also be released. Walt's animation is his number one legacy and the anthology show was quite wonderful indeed in that regard.

I knew it. TV completionist. Psst...you know what? There's NO FREAKING WAY ALL OF WALT'S TV ANIMATED PRODUCT COULD BE RELEASED VIA THE WALT DISNEY TREASURE SETS, AND THERE IS NO FREAKING WAY ALL OF WALT'S LIVE ACTION TV PRODUCT COULD BE RELEASED VIA THE WALT DISNEY TREASURE SETS.

The QUESTION is, how can the Treasure sets BEST SERVE WALT DISNEY, NOT YOUR OWN SELF!?

Thank you. Think about it.

Oh, gee, I think two entire WDT DVDs should be made consisting of 4 minutes of new animation of Ranger Woodlore and 46 minutes of True Life Adventure footage! Oh, gee, I think two entire WDT DVDs should be made consisting of Ludwig Von Drake and four Donald Duck cartoons!

Come on, guys! I am BEGGING you to not be unreasonable, and to take a step back. This board has shaped the future before and it can do so again.

Get a @#$%ing grip on what the real issues are. Sometimes, it's not about you, it's about Walt.

[Escapay]

This board has shaped the future before and it can do so again.

In that case I'd love for Disney and Leonard Maltin to make another Theme Park related Treasures release that includes Robbins Barstow's Disneyland Dream as one of the main features.

Also, they should make a Treasures release collecting all the trailers for their live-action and animated films, as a way of providing a thorough look at their entire film catalogue. Plus, it'd provide trailers where the original DVDs didn't (especially given that 9 times out of 10 a Disney DVD will have trailers for films beside their own...).

albert