The Little Mermaid III Discussion Vol. 2

[pap64]

Just imagine how poignant the song would have been had they kept the original Hans Christian Anderson ending...

Explain further, how would it be more poignant with that?

Well, in the original story the Little Mermaid meets the prince, but her heart is soon broken when he falls in love with another person. And since she doesn't want to kill the prince she dies and turns into sea foam.

Just imagine how it would have been like had Disney used that version. It would be one of the biggest ironies ever put on film; that after desiring to be part of that world her heart is broken and suffers a very sad death.

"I want to be...part of that...world".

It would be downright depressing.

[Disney's Divinity]

Well, to me, that's the beauty of the song: it's already kind of depressing. At the time, Ariel honestly doesn't think she ever will be "part of that world." A longing for something you can never be a part of seems to happen too often.

Well, she DOES say it in the "reprise"....

Except it's a reprise to "Part of That World," not the other way around. It almost devalues the fact that she was fascinated with the idea of exploring the human world long before she met Eric.

[amazon980]

Ariel is like the Britney Spears of disney we would follow her through the good and bad
i put this on another topic heres a vid
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GLS8OXPq-g8
it goes really went well with her

[disneyboy20022]

Ariel is like the Britney Spears of disney we would follow her through the good and bad
i put this on another topic heres a vid
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GLS8OXPq-g8
it goes really went well with her

Ariel.....like Britney Spears.....(disneyboy20022 thinks to himself then) I think not... I don't get the comparison at all.. (all though I didnt watch the video because it takes too long for youtube to load on a 56K dial up internet....)

Well, in the original story the Little Mermaid meets the prince, but her heart is soon broken when he falls in love with another person. And since she doesn't want to kill the prince she dies and turns into sea foam.

Just imagine how it would have been like had Disney used that version. It would be one of the biggest ironies ever put on film; that after desiring to be part of that world her heart is broken and suffers a very sad death.

"I want to be...part of that...world".

It would be downright depressing.

It would be more depressing if Miley Cyrus played a guest role in The Little Mermaid III or was the villain's minion.... (don't get any ideas DISNEY)

But yeah... I think If disney went with the original story of The Little Mermaid... It would have been a disaster and I thought I was scared of Ursula when I was little... I would be a squeaky crying train wreck if Disney's version of The Little Mermaid Had the Little Mermaid die... or talk about MURDER (yes I know Ursula gets killed and there quite a few life threatning things in the movie but thats with any Disney Film.... Look at Meet the Robinsons.... Doris the diabolical not so "Helping Hat" Tried to chop Louis to death with this twirling mechanical claws... How about we have Doris Rule the world and everything go topsy turvy and Disney Kill off the Little Mermaid and then no more franchising because it would be hard to make The Little Mermaid Merchandise if the star character Ariel or she would have had a differ name such as Debra and die... I can see the merchandise now: Debra the Little Mermaid that turns into sea foam and dies As Seen in the Movie*...(note being sarcastic)

I remember watching a cartoon of a Non Disney Little Mermaid and it was sad...and didnt like it at all...

in another example:
Same could be said Disney's The Jungle Book.... If they followed the book directly you would get a cartoon version of Disney's Live ActioN Jungle Book...

[amazon980]

Ariel.....like Britney Spears.....(disneyboy20022 thinks to himself then) I think not... I don't get the comparison at all.. (all though I didnt watch the video because it takes too long for youtube to load on a 56K dial up internet....)

i just ment by there stardom not personality

[Ariel'sprince]

Explain further, how would it be more poignant with that?

Well, in the original story the Little Mermaid meets the prince, but her heart is soon broken when he falls in love with another person. And since she doesn't want to kill the prince she dies and turns into sea foam.

Just imagine how it would have been like had Disney used that version. It would be one of the biggest ironies ever put on film; that after desiring to be part of that world her heart is broken and suffers a very sad death.

"I want to be...part of that...world".

It would be downright depressing.

I hate the ending of the original,she did everything for her Happily Ever After and then what? her Prince left her for the girl he thought who saved him,so much for Happily Ever After no wait,she got happily ever after-She became a Sorority girl! so much from happily ever after .
She didn't died-she became a Daughter Of Air or something like that (like I said above) and she had to bring joy to children for 300 years,stupid ending .

[Disney's Divinity]

I don't think it's a stupid ending at all: happy endings aren't universal. As for the Daughters of the Air, that was most likely tacked on for Christian audiences. Only in America are all fairy tales associated with eternal happiness.

Forgive me if I think you have a slightly twisted view of a 'good' ending.

[UmbrellaFish]

I don't think it's a stupid ending at all: happy endings aren't universal. As for the Daughters of the Air, that was most likely tacked on for Christian audiences. Only in America are all fairy tales associated with eternal happiness.

Forgive me if I think you have a slightly twisted view of a 'good' ending.

Ha, I've got a counter! ariels'prince isn't from America!!!!




Anyway, the original ending was FINE for the fairy tale, and its almost like an autobiography of H.C. Andersen, but for American audiences and Disney, the ending had to change. There would have been far more complaints about the movie had Disney kept the original ending. Not to mention, Ariel wouldn't be the same Ariel. As much as we hate to admit it, Disney's not stupid. They would realize that by marketing the film to children, hundreds of children and parents would go, only because it was a Disney movie. And after the hip songs and the growth of Ariel and Eric's love, just for Ariel's true wish to be denied. Tons of kids would have been screaming and crying as they left the movie theater.

Not to mention, H.C.'s Little Mermaid and Ariel had different motives. The Little Mermaid wanted a soul. Ariel wanted legs. The Little Mermaid gets her soul and Ariel gets her legs. So yes, technically they'd both be happy endings, but had The Little Mermaid died, I truthfully don't believe children would take it in. Children don't understand death.

Another thing, the anime version cannot be put up as an example of how Disney could have done TLM. The anime version didn't have as wide an audience as Disney's The Little Mermaid did. Plus, the Japanese and Americans, in respect to where their films were produced, have different taste in films. Also, unfortunately, children and their parents no longer want to be read the original TLM or Cinderella. It's sad, but not only Disney, but we have to understand that. Disney can't survive if they don't have the parent's on their side.

So that ended up a bit long, and in the wrong place. Can a mod please distribute all the TLM posts to the TLM discussion so we could clean this up. Thank you very much.

[Vermin Friends]

The Britney comparison was obviously just an attempt to get people to watch the video.

As for why Ariel's everyone's favorite princess? I think Jodi Benson sums it up very nicely in this video.

[pap64]

The Britney comparison was obviously just an attempt to get people to watch the video.

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE!

She went through a tough time! Her father was a prick! Her only friends are a fish and crab! Ursula stole Eric away from her!

What you don't realize is that Ariel is making you all these memories, but all you want is more, more, more, more MORE!!!!

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE! SHE'S A MERMAID!!!!

...Sorry, I just HAD to do it.

[Siren]

I am one of those who prefer the original ending.

To say kids in a general sense, don't understand death is really not true or fair. Each child is different. My daughter understands death more than most 9 year olds do. A lot of parents sweep death under the rug. They tell their kids "he's sleeping" when the kid finds their goldfish upside down. Those kids, could never understand the complexity of death as in the original TLM.

American society as a whole coddles their children way too much. Lies to them too much too. Death is death. There is no sweet way of saying it, unless you count religion and going to a heavenly place as being a good point about death. But when a pet or family member dies in my family. My daughter is told so and why. She has read the original TLM and we discussed it. She understood it perfectly.

Disney took the original work and adapted it. Nothing wrong with that really. I prefer the book though. And if I were to compare Disney and anime TLM...I prefer the Disney one...more so for the animation, voices, and music. Story wise alone, the anime.

[xxhplinkxx]

The Britney comparison was obviously just an attempt to get people to watch the video.

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE!

She went through a tough time! Her father was a prick! Her only friends are a fish and crab! Ursula stole Eric away from her!

What you don't realize is that Ariel is making you all these memories, but all you want is more, more, more, more MORE!!!!

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE! SHE'S A MERMAID!!!!

...Sorry, I just HAD to do it.

LMFAO!!!! HAHA! That was hilarious!!

[Ariel'sprince]

I don't think it's a stupid ending at all: happy endings aren't universal. As for the Daughters of the Air, that was most likely tacked on for Christian audiences. Only in America are all fairy tales associated with eternal happiness.

Forgive me if I think you have a slightly twisted view of a 'good' ending.

Christian people like sorority girls? and I think it's dump-She gave up on EVERYTHING to be with her Prince,let her live happily ever after but no,the prince merry some random girl and she became a sorority girl of heaven! how fun for her! .
And I"m sure that the Little Mermaid won't be such a sucessful film and Ariel won't be such a popular character if they kept the original ending,many people whould have dislike the film and I don't think that I whould still loved The Little Mermaid like now.
And it's a fairy tale-The heroes get their happily ever after,not die.
Well,it's not Disney fault that people dislike the original tale or don't have any imagination to imagine their own version of the original Little Mermaid and always call the original mermaid Ariel and keep thinking she has red hair and green flipper,Disney made up Ariel,the original mermaid is not Ariel,it's just Disney version.

As for why Ariel's everyone's favorite princess? I think Jodi Benson sums it up very nicely in this video

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Too bad she's just talking about the little girls (who really just cares about the Princesses's dresses and what Princess has the best dress and they never saw their films or know their character and keep thinking that Aurora is Cinderella) because I think everyone can be like Ariel and the other princess,not just little girls or small kids,I think I"m like a lot (I think I"m her male version ).

[Someday...]

I don't think it's a stupid ending at all: happy endings aren't universal. As for the Daughters of the Air, that was most likely tacked on for Christian audiences. Only in America are all fairy tales associated with eternal happiness.

Forgive me if I think you have a slightly twisted view of a 'good' ending.

And it's a fairy tale-The heroes get their happily ever after,not die.

its a hans christian anderson fairy tale, he had a very strong sense of right and wrong, the little mermaid made a "deal with the devil" by bargaining with the witch, in his eyes she couldn't get everything she wanted that way, she had to earn it.

oh and as far as the original tale goes, how scary would her bleeding feet have been?

[amazon980]

The Britney comparison was obviously just an attempt to get people to watch the video.

i just put that video the cuz it does go with her im sorry if it came off that way i still think ariel reminds me of britney

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE!

She went through a tough time! Her father was a prick! Her only friends are a fish and crab! Ursula stole Eric away from her!

What you don't realize is that Ariel is making you all these memories, but all you want is more, more, more, more MORE!!!!

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE! SHE'S A MERMAID!!!!

LMAO we do want more of ariel

[UmbrellaFish]

I am one of those who prefer the original ending.

To say kids in a general sense, don't understand death is really not true or fair. Each child is different. My daughter understands death more than most 9 year olds do. A lot of parents sweep death under the rug. They tell their kids "he's sleeping" when the kid finds their goldfish upside down. Those kids, could never understand the complexity of death as in the original TLM.

I was speaking mostly of children around the age of five and younger. I didn't mean anything higher except for possibly a child of six.

And despite the fact that each child is different, there's always a majority and a minority, and Disney, of course needs to cater to the majority (at least in terms of "Does Ariel die, or does she live?")

[WickedElphie]

I think one of the reasons the sad ending didn't fly is that while adults may see a movie for a variety of reasons, a child goes to the movies or watches TV to be entertained, period. That's not to say lessons can't be imparted on them, but if they aren't enjoying the program, they aren't going to stick around for the lesson. Now, that's not to say kids can't handle conflict and scary content in films and tv, but they go in expecting that at the end everything's going to be more or less okay.

If the kids don't want to see the movie again, parents aren't going to buy it on VHS, won't bother bringing the rugrats to theatrical re-releases, heck if word of mouth spraed fast enough, they'd lose the audience on the original release. Now, at the time, Disney Animation needed a bonafide hit. There was no way they were going to cut themselves off at the kness just to please a relative minority that would have preferred the original ending.

Also, having the Anderson ending would change the tone of rest of the movie. Lose the ending, and who knows what else might have been changed or altered to fit the more somber tone of the story. For better or for worse, it wouldn't have been the same film.

[MerXAN]

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE!

She went through a tough time! Her father was a prick! Her only friends are a fish and crab! Ursula stole Eric away from her!

What you don't realize is that Ariel is making you all these memories, but all you want is more, more, more, more MORE!!!!

LEAVE ARIEL ALONE! SHE'S A MERMAID!!!!

...Sorry, I just HAD to do it.

LMFAO!!!! HAHA! That was hilarious!!

So freakin' hillarious!

[Prudence]

I don't think it's a stupid ending at all: happy endings aren't universal. As for the Daughters of the Air, that was most likely tacked on for Christian audiences. Only in America are all fairy tales associated with eternal happiness.

Forgive me if I think you have a slightly twisted view of a 'good' ending.

Christian people like sorority girls? and I think it's dump-She gave up on EVERYTHING to be with her Prince,let her live happily ever after but no,the prince merry some random girl and she became a sorority girl of heaven! how fun for her! .

As a member of the first female sorority that actually gives my sisters and I the nickname Angels, I really must say that you are making no sense at all. I doubt anyone in the world considers Hans Christian Anderson's women spirts earning their way to heaven "the sorority girls of heaven". For better or for worse, sororities and fraternities are associated with drunken parties, ditzes, dolts, and snobs. What that has to do with spirits seeing if children are bad or good is beyond me. (Nothing against any particular group, and especially nothing against my own sisters is meant by this. I'm only explaining the stereotype to Ariel'sprince.)
Also, I take offense to the question/statement/whatever-it-was "Christians like sorority girls?" Ahm, sir dude, a lot of Christians ARE sorority girls. This nonsense is bizarre.

As for why Ariel's everyone's favorite princess? I think Jodi Benson sums it up very nicely in this video

.

Too bad she's just talking about the little girls (who really just cares about the Princesses's dresses and what Princess has the best dress and they never saw their films or know their character and keep thinking that Aurora is Cinderella) because I think everyone can be like Ariel and the other princess,not just little girls or small kids,I think I"m like a lot (I think I"m her male version ).

Too bad YOU missed the point entirely and just want to be bitter about being a college aged male who likes Disney. (For the record, I didn't see Sleeping Beauty until I was ten, whereas I can't remember not knowing the Cinderella movie. Don't judge little girls. They can have their favorites for real reasons.) You think you're a male version of Ariel? Fascinating. Ariel may not be perfect, but she doesn't scream about nothing and nonsense while trying to accomplish... what ARE you trying to accomplish, anyway?

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To the Chris Crocker and Britney Spears mentioners -
Y'all have my applause. Hey, I even agree with the person who originally said that Ariel is like the Britney (of the Disney princesses, at least) in so far as fame goes.

[Ariel'sprince]

Christian people like sorority girls? and I think it's dump-She gave up on EVERYTHING to be with her Prince,let her live happily ever after but no,the prince merry some random girl and she became a sorority girl of heaven! how fun for her! .

As a member of the first female sorority that actually gives my sisters and I the nickname Angels, I really must say that you are making no sense at all. I doubt anyone in the world considers Hans Christian Anderson's women spirts earning their way to heaven "the sorority girls of heaven". For better or for worse, sororities and fraternities are associated with drunken parties, ditzes, dolts, and snobs. What that has to do with spirits seeing if children are bad or good is beyond me. (Nothing against any particular group, and especially nothing against my own sisters is meant by this. I'm only explaining the stereotype to Ariel'sprince.)
Also, I take offense to the question/statement/whatever-it-was "Christians like sorority girls?" Ahm, sir dude, a lot of Christians ARE sorority girls. This nonsense is bizarre.

Sorority girls was a joke (Well,they're a bunch of ladies in heavens who bring joy to children,sounds like sorority girls),she wanted a sould and live with her prince and she gets to be daugther of air,what's Christian about sorority girls?.

As for why Ariel's everyone's favorite princess? I think Jodi Benson sums it up very nicely in this video

.

Too bad she's just talking about the little girls (who really just cares about the Princesses's dresses and what Princess has the best dress and they never saw their films or know their character and keep thinking that Aurora is Cinderella) because I think everyone can be like Ariel and the other princess,not just little girls or small kids,I think I"m like a lot (I think I"m her male version ).

Too bad YOU missed the point entirely and just want to be bitter about being a college aged male who likes Disney. (For the record, I didn't see Sleeping Beauty until I was ten, whereas I can't remember not knowing the Cinderella movie. Don't judge little girls. They can have their favorites for real reasons.) You think you're a male version of Ariel? Fascinating. Ariel may not be perfect, but she doesn't scream about nothing and nonsense while trying to accomplish... what ARE you trying to accomplish, anyway? there's time to spare

Collage? I"m 16 .
She should have talked about everyone like Aladdin From Agrabah and atlanticaunderthesea (You both said it great by the way ) not just little girls,you're getting thing out of proportion,and all the little girls I know (My cousion for exmaple) dosn't know who Ariel is (but they know who "Little Mermaid" is),they don't know that Pocahontas and Mulan are Disney Princesses,they don't make difference between Aurora and Cinderella and they only know Snow White and Jasmine,if you know some fine.
And again,you're getting thing out of proportion.