Who Did You Want Giselle to End Up With?

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Siren wrote:I think the movie could be a metaphor for a girl becoming a woman.
I totally agree that's, in a nutshell, the character arc of Giselle.

The only fine point on which I'd disagree with you is that I'd describe her initial reaction to Edward as infatuation more than lust. :) She was in love with the idea of being in love and figured she would indeed fall in love with the first man she met (and Edward thought the same about the first woman he met). I don't think she was yet aware of what 'lust' would even mean. Her giddiness over getting to marry Edward seems to come from a much more innocent place than suggested by "lust." :) (Not that I don't think physical attraction exists in Andalasia, but she's more interested in a true love's kiss where "lips are the only things that touch"...that has to happen "before two can become one." I don't think she planned to give that "becoming one" much thought until after the kiss.)
Jump to New York and Giselle meets Robert. Still very much a girl. But the more time she spends with him, the more she actually gets to know him, she finds out what love really is. Its not "we'll be married in the morning!", its more powerful than that. Its pure happiness, even anger. She got angry at Robert. He in a way, was helping her grow into a woman.

If she stayed with Edward, she may have eventually actually fallen in love with him, but it wouldn't have been the same kind of love. I don't think she would have grown as much as she did with Robert.
Beautifully said. I totally agree with you.
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Well obviously, Edward charmed the cafeteria workers into giving him free food. :P

(Hey, I would give him free food...he's hot! :D )
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One other thing that made me wonder...Narissa knew Giselle chose Robert, not Edward. So he wasn't going to get married. She wasn't going to lose her throne. All she had to do was ensure Edward didn't return to tell everyone what she did. Be it closing the portal through their worlds forever or killing Edward.

And how did Edward, Nancy, and Nathaniel get back??? If the portal was still open all that time, why didn't Giselle just go back to it??

Disney Princess Ariellen> You are right in correcting me. It was more infatuation and not lust. And thanks, glad I wasn't the only one seeing it that way.
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Siren wrote:One other thing that made me wonder...Narissa knew Giselle chose Robert, not Edward. So he wasn't going to get married. She wasn't going to lose her throne. All she had to do was ensure Edward didn't return to tell everyone what she did. Be it closing the portal through their worlds forever or killing Edward.

And how did Edward, Nancy, and Nathaniel get back??? If the portal was still open all that time, why didn't Giselle just go back to it??
Well, I'm assuming that Narissa had control of the portal, which meant that she could open and close it whenever she pleased, (so it was probably closed when Giselle went through it) and Narissa had to be destroyed in order for the portal to be open again, (hence the reason why Nancy, Edward and Nathaniel could get back.)

Just a guess.
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Siren wrote:One other thing that made me wonder...Narissa knew Giselle chose Robert, not Edward. So he wasn't going to get married. She wasn't going to lose her throne. All she had to do was ensure Edward didn't return to tell everyone what she did. Be it closing the portal through their worlds forever or killing Edward.
A very valid question. I mean, she did announce her intent to 'kill everyone,' so I guess Edward would be included, but based on the fact that he's next in line for the throne on which she's so desperate to remain, you'd think she would have started her killing spree with him, not Giselle (or Robert-as-a-substitute). I'll chalk this up to her being a part of the Disney villain legacy that sometimes runs a bit short on logic. (Sure, Maleficent is an awesome villain, but looking at her storyline from a logical standpoint? All this over not being invited to a baby's birthday party? :P Evil villain types become irrational in their rage, I suppose!)

And how did Edward, Nancy, and Nathaniel get back??? If the portal was still open all that time, why didn't Giselle just go back to it??
Another really good question, and this one's bugged me a little, too...especially since the best answer I can give is "because we wouldn't have a movie if Giselle had just hopped back into it." I'm wondering if there was something more complex to the spell...maybe only Narissa had the power to make the portal 'work the other way' so that people could travel from New York to Andalasia? Maybe she'd have let Edward and Nathaniel return, but prevented Giselle to do the same? And whatever spell she'd cast keeping the portal from letting people return to Andalasia died with her? *shrug*
Disney Princess Ariellen> You are right in correcting me. It was more infatuation and not lust. And thanks, glad I wasn't the only one seeing it that way.
Most welcome! :) No, you're definitely not the only one. I really agree that her 'love' for Edward was indeed more about a fantasy than anything else, but her feelings for Robert (and his for her) were real...more complex and with the complications like the fact that they might make each other angry at times, but the 'good' is deeper than the superficial feelings she and Edward could have shared. (I love this movie tremendously and love looking at the characters and their relationships!)
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Ariel'sprince wrote: If Giselle ended up with Edward then it whould have encouraged that "She's a Disney Princess,of course she"ll choose the Prince and the money
Well.... I'd say Robert was the one with all the cash! :lol: He was giving it all to Giselle and paying for all her crap while she was there! :lol: Not to mention those credit card charges.... :tlm:

Reminds me.... how did Edward pay for that food in the scene where they were at some type of cafeteria!?!? I guess he slipped them a couple gold coins or something.... :twisted: :lol: :lol:
In the DS game,when Edward and Nathanial goes to the hotel he said that "We"ll just give them a few gems and that will be fine",so maybe he has more money and he gave gems for the hotdogs :lol:.
Sure she could. She can use her rat and bird controlling powers to take over the city.
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Siren wrote:I think the movie could be a metaphor for a girl becoming a woman.

She fell in lust with Edward. She was so desperate for a man, the moment she landed in one's lap, literally, she figured, he was the one. Like many people feel with their first love. They don't know how relationships go, how they feel, how and when to convey their feelings properly and are often over zealous. Edward and Giselle were both this way. Both were SO desperate to find love, they fell in lust with the first one they saw.

Jump to New York and Giselle meets Robert. Still very much a girl. But the more time she spends with him, the more she actually gets to know him, she finds out what love really is. Its not "we'll be married in the morning!", its more powerful than that. Its pure happiness, even anger. She got angry at Robert. He in a way, was helping her grow into a woman.

If she stayed with Edward, she may have eventually actually fallen in love with him, but it wouldn't have been the same kind of love. I don't think she would have grown as much as she did with Robert.
I agree about the metaphor, but I think that it's different within the film for the characters themselves. I mean, I think things work differently for the animated characters in their world. In our world, love at first sight is rarely more than lust/infatuation (not that most relationships don't start that way, it's how people tend to get together if not through school or work), but in the cartoon world it supposedly really does lead to happily ever after. So, if Giselle had never left the cartoon world, she would probably have been quite happy with Edward. That is, if he was the one she was really meant for. It's sort of like they were made/drawn for each other, as we know toons and their mates usually are. But, after coming to the real world, she changed/became more real and then needed a deeper connection with her mate rather than such a simple, 2D kind of love. I know that is basically what you're saying, but I guess my problem is with calling her love at first sight just lust/infatuation, when I think that's the way love works in her world.

Of course, some have suggested that the man she was intended to be with from the beginning was Robert. If their love was as predestined as she thought her love for Edward was, then it was just a case of mistaken identity that she was after Edward and things happily got cleared up when she had to "figure out" which one she really loved. And she didn't really do that very well, since it took the "true love's kiss" to really settle the matter for her. Though, she did say she knew it already...

Anyway, my point is that with toons the whole falling into someone's arms and falling instantly in love thing really does seem to work, so I think things just work differently for them, and Giselle was just expecting what seems to be the normal life pattern for a toon like her. In fact, it worked that way for Giselle too (she fell into Robert's arms later), it just happened that Edward came into the picture first. So, either the film is a really smart story of a girl "growing up", or it's just a really cute fairytale about mix-ups a la "A Midsummer Night's Dream", but it could still be seen as the mataphor you described of course.

Edit: Whoops, it seems Disney Princess Ariellen covered that fairly well before me, ha. Sorry.
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Siren wrote:One other thing that made me wonder...Narissa knew Giselle chose Robert, not Edward. So he wasn't going to get married. She wasn't going to lose her throne. All she had to do was ensure Edward didn't return to tell everyone what she did. Be it closing the portal through their worlds forever or killing Edward.

And how did Edward, Nancy, and Nathaniel get back??? If the portal was still open all that time, why didn't Giselle just go back to it??
I also wondered why Narissa was so bent on destroying Giselle, but I think she is just evil and prone to anger and violence, ha. Particularly, she doesn't like being shown up and made a fool of! She set her mind on destroying Giselle early on and had to finish the job for her own self satisfaction.

The food thing mentioned before made me wonder as well. Of course, Edward probably had gold or something, but more likely the teenage girls working at the mall gave him free food, ha.

As for the portal, that seems the simplest thing to write-off, because Narissa probably just left it open for a speedy getaway. If that doesn't satisfy, there's also this: The others were there to find Giselle, so the question is why didn't Giselle go back through the portal if it was still open from the first time. Well, she was pretty confused when it first happened. That is actually a fair answer on its own. But, beyond that, after a while Giselle was intent on being rescued by her prince. If it WAS still open after she first arrived though, she must never have noticed, because she did try to get to Andalasia through the billboard, ha.
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She should have gone back to the animated world she came from. Edward went through all that trouble trying to find her.
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And Edward found Nancy.

I think Giselle's true love was always Robert. And Edward's true love was always Nancy. Its goes with the old adage, "everything happens for a reason".
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I keep wondering , the longer Giselle stays in the "real" world, will her sway over animals dissapear? And will Nancy gain that same sway now that she is in Andalasia?
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Atlantis wrote:I keep wondering , the longer Giselle stays in the "real" world, will her sway over animals dissapear? And will Nancy gain that same sway now that she is in Andalasia?
I hope not. The more and more little things like that change, the more Giselle would turn into Nancy and Nancy into Giselle.
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slave2moonlight wrote:
Atlantis wrote:I keep wondering , the longer Giselle stays in the "real" world, will her sway over animals dissapear? And will Nancy gain that same sway now that she is in Andalasia?
I hope not. The more and more little things like that change, the more Giselle would turn into Nancy and Nancy into Giselle.
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Good one. :wink:
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