Different Styles Of Disney Animation: Best / Worst ?

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Different Styles Of Disney Animation: Best / Worst ?

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I thought this might make an interesting topic, and sorry if this has been discussed before! I hope it makes a great topic with some really detailed posts.

It's obvious that over the years that Disney has changed the way they animate. I'm no expert on it, and there are loads of people on UD that know more than me, so I'm just going to say what I have noticed over the years.

It could be said that not all Disney movies have their own 'look'. The style of, say, Alice In Wonderland and Peter Pan are very simmilar. You could say that of most Disney movies of that era. The ones that come to mind are Bambi, Cinderella, Alice, Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp. There is a style that is fluid between all these movies. Looking back on them with their 'Speical Edition' DVD releases, I have really just noticed how much I love their animation. Everything is beautifully drawn, and characters are on - model throughout. They really are beautiful movies, and I think possibly some of the best animated in the Disney cannon?

Lilo and Stitch and Hercules for example have totally unique styles of animation. L+S was based on Chris Sander's way of drawing, and it gave the movie a great warmth. Hercules was based on the style of Gerald Scarfe, and that was something Disney had never done before. But again, it suited the movie perfectly.

Personally, I'm not a fan of the animation seen in the likes of The Sword In The Stone, 101 Dalmations, The Jungle Book, etc. Although I love the movies, I'm just not fond of the 'sketchy' stlye of animation the films have.

Then there is the style seen in the 90's revival of Disney animation, The Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin etc. Animation in these movies for me harks back to the Peter Pan era, and makes the films all the better for it. Pocahontas was much more stylised, but again it suited the film.

So for me, I think my favourite and the 'best' stlye of Disney animation is the Bambi era, for the reasons mentioned above.

I know there are no best / worst stlyes of Disney animation, just people's opinions on what they think suits the movie most, and how well designed and drawn the characters, animals, scenery etc are.

Here are some examples of what I think are the different styles of animation:

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I would really love to see other people's opinions on this topic! :)
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I'll keep it short and sweet. I absolutely detest the art style of everything after The Great Mouse detective, thus the the fab four and beyond (Little mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the beast, Lion king etc). It really rubs me the wrong way. Honestly, I found the way these characters and their faces (embarassing, horrible facial expressions, grins, smirks ugh), even landscapes are drawn horribly ugly. Again, not saying the animation is bad, it's just that the art style is totally not my cup of tea.

My favorite art style is that found in the earlier disney films such as Snow White, Pinnochio, Bambi, even Peter Pan. etc and the somewhat sketchy, spirited style from the 60/70's films Sword in the stone, Robin Hood, Jungle Book, Winnie the pooh etc, mainly because it feels so warm and earnest.

Oh man, that picture of Pocahontas you posted is horrifying! Ew!
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I dont like styles that seem bland. aristocats, dalmations,pinochio, cinderella, peter pan, not to make a gross generaliztion, but most of the characteters are nondeteur designs. they dont take any risks in attempt to make the characters stand out.

often times its a mishmash. pochahantas has a bit of style in my opinion, but the villans and the rest of the human characters are very bland. side kick characters tend to be more entertaining than the lead ones. miko and flit, the mice in cinderella.
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With some films, I can understand the style chosen (such as Atlantis or HoND) and still detest it. Anything that has jagged edges and box-like shapes drives me insane. I enjoy things along the lines of Hercules or Lilo & Stitch (though the story's horrible in the latter) for the most part. And, if nothing else, a semi-realistic look always works. As for things like SitS and Aristocats, 101 Dalmatians is really the only film that I can think of where that style's worked for me. I suppose it's because of the London setting.

As far as animation itself goes, noone can deny that the older films are superior. The more recent movies are often sloppy in comparison, though bearable.
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Disney's Divinity wrote:Anything that has jagged edges and box-like shapes drives me insane. .
And yet you like Sleeping Beauty? :P
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Thanks for the replies guys!

It's interesting; people I speak to ususally love the 90's movies animation. But looking at them compared to the older movies, character faces do tend to change sometimes in the movie. It's never bothered me, but it's been picked up on here before.

Is Sleeping Beauty regarded as having the same animation as the likes of 101 Dalmations, Jungle Book etc? I've never quite figured out if it was the same style or not.
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Sleeping Beauty has it's own kind of style. That's what makes it special.
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atlanticaunderthesea wrote:Is Sleeping Beauty regarded as having the same animation as the likes of 101 Dalmations, Jungle Book etc? I've never quite figured out if it was the same style or not.
I would say no. Dalmatians and Jungle Book have very loose, sketchy, almost free-style type of animation. Sleeping Beauty's animation is very refined and hard-edged, with every movement carefully calculated out to the fullest.

I, personally, don't care for Disney animation in general from the 60s to the 80s. I mean, I can admire the acting put into the animation (The Jungle Book's full of nice nuances in the characters' eyes and what they do with their hands), but I don't like that sketchy xerox look. It comes across as sloppy to me, and Walt himself even hated it, as well. For me it only really worked with The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh because the Ernest B. Shepherd illustrations from the original books were done like that, and the film constantly reminds us that we're looking at moving illustrations inside of a book.

While I love Disney's natural and realistic approaches to animation (Bambi, Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast), I think I prefer more stylization. Alice in Wonderland, Sleeping Beauty, Aladdin, Pocahontas, and Hercules have really interesting styles to me. I love how twisted and geometric Alice is, how straight and angular Sleeping Beauty and Pocahontas are, and how rounded and swirly Aladdin and Hercules are. So, in all, I like my Disney animation to be clean and have a hard, noticeable stylization.
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:
Disney's Divinity wrote:Anything that has jagged edges and box-like shapes drives me insane. .
And yet you like Sleeping Beauty? :P
If you're going by the banner, that's just my attempt to make one for every animated Disney film. :wink: But, either way, I don't consider Sleeping Beauty to be on the same level as Atlantis, Hunchback, etc. It's much more refined and stylized than either of them. The only problem with it is that the characters always seem very restricted.
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I love the sketchy movies. I don't know what it is about them, but the rough around the edges look really appeals to me.
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I love the Bambi Era too. I like some of the 3-D movies (I don't know if that is the real term or not) but for the most part I don't like the style of Ratitoue (spelling ?) and cars (I love the movie).
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Best was Sleeping Beauty. Aurora in her Briar Rose costume = gorgeous. The beautiful, beautiful art direction and style is one of the major reasons I love this film so very much.

For my least favorite, I'd say it's one of those sketchy styles they used during The Aristocats era. I'm sure it was cheaper and whatnot, but it just looks a bit too sloppy for my taste.
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Careful what you say, people!!

It's one thing to say you don't like Pocahontas, ands another to say it's yukky.

Yes, I'm referring to you, Major Fatal Moebius.

On the other hand, it's refreshing to see UDers like atlanticaunderthesea who admit they're not experts, but can still show an intelligent appreciation of art. Wish there were more of them though... :( [/b]
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Careful what you say, people!!

It's one thing to say you don't like Pocahontas, ands another to say it's yukky.

Yes, I'm referring to you, Major Fatal Moebius.
And I'm refering to you, Julian Carter, that Pocahontas picture is goddamn yukky. Whether you like it or not. :) :wink:
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I agree with Julian Carter on this; the picture is 'yucky' to you, not to every other person in the world who has seen Pocahontas. It's yucky in your opinion, and other people are entitled to theirs. Just becuase you say its yucky, doesnt mean to say it is.

Thank you Julian Carter :) What are your opinions on the different styles ?
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Julian Carter wrote:Careful what you say, people!!

It's one thing to say you don't like Pocahontas, ands another to say it's yukky.

Yes, I'm referring to you, Major Fatal Moebius.

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I love the style approached in the The Little Mermaid and beyond - detailed, fluid and just a sense of freedom in the backgrounds.
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I have to echo many people's here. The more stylised the better. Hercules is an animation triumph, from design to movement. It's never been bettered.

Other significant movies include Atlantis, Pocahontas, most of Mulan and of course Sleeping Beauty.

On the same track, although not a "proper" Disney film I can also appreciate the Teacher's Pet animation. I don't find the designs that attractive, but I can appreciate how they have been given "life."

As for the worst, nothing it worse than when Disney tries "realism". The prince in Snow White stands out - as does to a certain extent Prince Philip in Sleeping Beauty sadly. The absolute worst however I think, is Cinderella - simply because (as I've touched upon before) it has no consistant style or vision. Each element (mice, birds, comical humans, realistic humans) seems to belong to a different film!
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I like the animation in Snow White & the 7 Dwarfs, you can tell that Walt put a lot of effort on the movie. I like how things are so geometrical in Sleeping Beauty. I also like Hercules, because it had a very weird and wonderful style about it.
My least favourite style of animation is found in Atlantis, Oliver & Company, & The Rescures.
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I must echo 2009net's sentiments here! For post-Walt films, 'Hercules' stands out head and shoulders above the rest in terms of style. The use of lines, inspired by the work of Gerald Scarfe (perhaps my favourite living artist and an enormous influence on my own work), is absolutely inspired. The characters, even the hero and heroine, are caricatures, making the best use of the animated medium. Eric Goldberg and Nick Ranieri in particular seem to have enjoyed this visual freedom (look particularly at Ranieri's Hades when he's been 'inflamed'), and it is one of the few films where the minor characters all shine - Nancy Beiban's animation of the Fate's is particularly evocative of Scarfe's style. The hurdle 'Hercules' fails to overcome is in colour styling. I think the post-Walt film that makes the best use of colour is probably 'Pocahontas', which nevertheless fails in a lot of other respects.

'Aladdin' is also a fine example of the animators choosing a style that compliments and is complimented by the animation. As we know, the line-work here is very Hirschfeld-influenced, and it works perfectly. The design of the characters, particularly the Genie and Jafar, shows that the animators relished the use of smooth, calligraphic lines to describe both form and movement. This style is taken a step further in 'Fantasia 2000''s Eric Goldbereg-directed 'Rhapsody in Blue', which shows the animators at their best, in my opinion. From the Hirschfeldian line describing a clarinet trill to the little wisps of steam curlicueing from a coffee mug, it's styled beautifully and again shows how well lines can be used not only in design but in personality animation. I love the colour styling in 'Rhapsody in Blue' but I'm not sure about the use of blocks of colour in the background, which tends to make the lines bleed. The other sequence in 'Fantasia 2000' which stands out is 'The Carnival of the Animals': also by Eric Goldberg, and just as lively, but this time using blocks of shapes much more than lines; I think much of this was hand-crafted, and it shows in the watercolour style.

Out of all the Disney features that rely on lines, '101 Dalmatians' still stands out to me as the best, because of the styling of the backgrounds and the animation. I love Walt Peregoy's colour-styling for the film; not only do the colours perfectly complement the mood of a scene (see particularly the harsh oranges and reds when Pongo and Perdita face the Baduns), but the shapes of the blocks of colour suggest where the light falls and describe forms perfectly. The animation in '101 Dalmatians' is among my favourite of all the Disney films' - the style here is that of cartoonist Ronald Searle (and, to bring things full circle, Searle was a big influence on Gerald Scarfe's style). As with 'Hercules', all the characters are caricatured in some way or another and even the minor characters are memorable in their own right. There's also Marc Davis' greatest masterpiece in Cruella De Vil; it's clear from the animation that he was quite at home with this style. The look of some of the earlier features wouldn't have worked here; '101 Dalmatians' is satyrical and unpretentious, particularly when compared to 'Sleeping Beauty', and the style used in this film (though it angered Walt) marries perfectly to the tone of the story and the nature of its characters.

As we know, though, "Walt hated lines" and much preferred the style we see in most of the films before '101 Dalmatians'. My personal favourite of all the Walt-era films in terms of style is (surprise, surprise) 'Pinocchio', which is heavily influenced by European illustrators like Arthur Rackham, John Bauer and Gustave Dore, as well as German Expressionism such as the films of F. W. Murnau and Friz Lang, with slightly American approach taken to the European sources. One of the reasons I think films like 'Pinocchio' and 'Fantasia' succeed so well stylistically is their use of expressionism. Though this is more obvious in the segments of 'Fantasia' it can also be seen in sequence's like Snow White fleeing through the forest, the Queen drinking the potion and Lampwick turning into a donkey. In an interview with Marc Davis it is suggested that Disney was even more successful at expressionism than live-action films were, because animated films can create a completely new envirionment to suit the film. There's a wonderful part in 'Pinocchio' where he's just been thrown in the cage; the lightning flashes outside and projects the shadows of the other puppets on the wall behind the cage: their silhouettes resemble corpses hanging from the gallows. 'Pinocchio' is the Disney film that has given us both the most disturbing sequence - Lampwick's transformation - and the most cosy, warm sequence - Gepetto and friends bidding each other good night and tucking themselves into bed. The mise en scene created in the film and others of the pre-war era are the result of an extroadinarily skilled group of artists (Joe Grant, Albert Hurter, Gustaf Tenggren, Kay Nielsen et al) colour styling and designing to perfection, and represents such extraordinary skill that I think is gone forever now.

I generally don't hold the 50s films in as high regard as either the films of the Golden Age or '101 Dalmatians', but there is still a lot to appreciate. I love Mary Blair's art, but it seems to have been of limited use to the animators, who apparently struggled to assimilate her style in movin images - I think Blair's art work's best as a static image. For this reason I love the backgrounds in 'Alice in Wonderland' in particular, and, of course, her colour styling is a big part of the appeal of many of the 50s features. I don't think 'Sleeping Beauty' succeeded stylistically and it seems to have limited the animators - Frank Thomas and Ollie Johnston were particularly unhappy working on it - and Maleficent is really the only character who benefits from the strong vertical design of the film. Though I think the film is largely unsuccessful both stylistically and story-wise it is clear that the animators who worked on it were at the top of their game, restricted though they were - Milt Kahl stands out, as usual, as the best draughtsman of all; Prince Philip may be insufferably boring but his design and movements, like those of the rest of the cast, show the skill of the animators at this time.

Stylistically I think the weakest films are probably in the period from Walt's death up to and including 'Beauty and the Beast'. The early part of this period consists of xerox films which, unlike '101 Dalmatians' didn't benefit from the medium and did not succeed in creating a coherent style. Once the new generation of artists and animators arrived they seem to have taken time to find their feet - most of their early films are rather generic in design, not really seeming to have any specific style in mind - as a result the design of the characters and the animation is occasionally inconsistent. 'The Black Cauldron', however, has some beautiful backgrounds, and many of the environments in 'Beauty and the Beast' are beautiful, with Glen Keane's Beast a definite highlight in the cast. 'Aladdin' seems to be the first time, however, that the new generation of animators decided to give each film a style of its own, though 'The Lion King' and 'The Hunchback of Notre Dame' fall back into a more generic mode of design, in my opinion.

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