A lot of fury and accusations of brainwashing over this?
Oh dear, only families are allowed to like Goofy! And adults better stop watching Pirates of the Caribbean, Jack Sparrow is only for kids and teenagers! And I guess every Disney fan will forever be groupies for Mary Poppins and the Shrill! GMAB!
Seriously, there's nothing bad/wrong/horrible/evil/brainwashing about any of this. Mickey's part of "Preschool" because he's got "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse", which last time I checked, was part of Playhouse Disney. And cars and space heroes will almost always go hand in hand with boys, just like princesses will with girls. It doesn't mean they're gender-exclusive, just that they're more recognizable as specific gender icons.
The Kids & teens selections are puzzling. Sure, Sparrow is there as the essence of cool, but Raven? Her show is no longer in production, her singing career isn't really as big as other Mouse-House-produced, and there's really no major projects in development with her beyond Further Adventures in Babysitting. It would have made more sense to put another Disney Channel person there.
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AwallaceUNC: Would you prefer Substi-Blu-tiary Locomotion?
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TheSequelOfDisney: Damn, did Lin-Manuel Miranda go and murder all your families?
Ariel's Prince you need to CALM DOWN! And before you said Disney treats their fans BAD? If Disney treated their fans badly there would be no topic for the Disney site because THERE WOULD BE NO DISNEY MOVIES!
Disney probably just picked the charectors that would appeal to different age groups.
You're basically yelling at people for not liking a certain charector.
Escapay wrote:A lot of fury and accusations of brainwashing over this?
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I don't see anything wrong. The icons shown seem to reflect merchandising lines and recent moviegoer preferences:
Princesses are currently aimed at girls,
Cars and Buzz Lightyear are currently aimed at boys,
Pirates, Cheetah girl (???) are aimed at kids and teens,
Little Einsteins (Rocket is behind Mickey) are aimed at preschool,
etc...etc...
The Disney site is providing wholesome product information that (they hope) leads consumers to spend money by going to a park, buying a DVD, buying merchandise, etc. It is not a "myspace", "facebook", etc. with all sorts of nasty traps for unwary kids or adults.
Escapay wrote:Mickey's part of "Preschool" because he's got "Mickey Mouse Clubhouse", which last time I checked, was part of Playhouse Disney. And cars and space heroes will almost always go hand in hand with boys, just like princesses will with girls. It doesn't mean they're gender-exclusive, just that they're more recognizable as specific gender icons.
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Oh .
Anyway i ment that Disney are aiding to films to some people and the site was just example.
So they just mean that Mickey's show is for preschoolers? and the Cars and Toy Story just as dolls? and The Princess as dolls only? in that case then it's not that afwal but they still need to stop thinking that only little boys like Cars and only little girls like Mulan.
Ariel'sprince, when I originally saw the web site, I thought that way too, but then I thought about it later. I'm sure you've noticed, there are lots of people on your side. Any of the guys in the Disney Princess Enchanted Tales thread, for one. We all can appreciate stories about girls and boys, princesses and toys, humans and cold metallic unfeeling vehicles.
When I was younger I got books, figures/dolls, and merchandise of movies I liked, and they were all the fairy tale films. Most of them princesses. I felt like I was such minority, and unfortunately I don't know how the other guys here were when they were younger. Do younger boys really only like the fairy tale films, but not any of the merchandise for the films? I'm sure they don't mind princess books, but they would probably tire of reading books that are only about princesses falling in love with boys, unless they know they're gay from a very, very early age. But dancing around, singing, exploring, riding a magic carpet, and walking in the forest are all things a young boy can easily be imagined to like.
Maybe the Disney Princess franchise is unfriendly to boys because it focuses on dressing up and wearing make up, which very few boys would do. Most boys would like the princesses but not want to become the princesses, even in pretend. However, think of how many fashion designers are men! So they can appreciate a well-made gown, right? Or go to beauty school and become a hair stylist, make-up ARTIST, et cetera.
However, the "boys" stuff would probably not bother girls. Going on a rescue misson, going into space, winning a race, can be imagined to be liked by girls as well. And when the guy romances the girl, don't girls actually like it? And the boys think it's icky or whatever, which I'm guessing is just girls being more mature than boys and growing up faster than them or whatever.
Anyway, if Disney is going to have a section just for girls, girls should be on it, and the princesses are girls. However, they should probably have Jessie from Toy Story or that girl car from Cars there, too. And the boys can have a prince or a cute talking animal on their section. A section for families should have princesses next to cars, pirates next to pixies. But if you're going to make sections just for boys and girls, then it does, admittedly, make sense to have girl characters, who most happen to be princeses, on the girls sections, and boy characters shown on the boys section.
What we should really be complaining about, Ariel'sprince, is when Disney says Princess Enchanted Tales are only going to be loved by girls, and they treat them and design them so. HELLO! The Enchanted Tales are the extensions of the movies everyone loves!
HEY anyone notice how the boys get talking toys, talking cars, and talking animals, but all the girls get is human princesses?
Disney Duster wrote:Ariel'sprince, when I originally saw the web site, I thought that way too, but then I thought about it later. I'm sure you've noticed, there are lots of people on your side. Any of the guys in the Disney Princess Enchanted Tales thread, for one. We all can appreciate stories about girls and boys, princesses and toys, humans and cold metallic unfeeling vehicles.
When I was younger I got books, figures/dolls, and merchandise of movies I liked, and they were all the fairy tale films. Most of them princesses. I felt like I was such minority, and unfortunately I don't know how the other guys here were when they were younger. Do younger boys really only like the fairy tale films, but not any of the merchandise for the films? I'm sure they don't mind princess books, but they would probably tire of reading books that are only about princesses falling in love with boys, unless they know they're gay from a very, very early age. But dancing around, singing, exploring, riding a magic carpet, and walking in the forest are all things a young boy can easily be imagined to like.
Maybe the Disney Princess franchise is unfriendly to boys because it focuses on dressing up and wearing make up, which very few boys would do. Most boys would like the princesses but not want to become the princesses, even in pretend. However, think of how many fashion designers are men! So they can appreciate a well-made gown, right? Or go to beauty school and become a hair stylist, make-up ARTIST, et cetera.
However, the "boys" stuff would probably not bother girls. Going on a rescue misson, going into space, winning a race, can be imagined to be liked by girls as well. And when the guy romances the girl, don't girls actually like it? And the boys think it's icky or whatever, which I'm guessing is just girls being more mature than boys and growing up faster than them or whatever.
Anyway, if Disney is going to have a section just for girls, girls should be on it, and the princesses are girls. However, they should probably have Jessie from Toy Story or that girl car from Cars there, too. And the boys can have a prince or a cute talking animal on their section. A section for families should have princesses next to cars, pirates next to pixies. But if you're going to make sections just for boys and girls, then it does, admittedly, make sense to have girl characters, who most happen to be princeses, on the girls sections, and boy characters shown on the boys section.
What we should really be complaining about, Ariel'sprince, is when Disney says Princess Enchanted Tales are only going to be loved by girls, and they treat them and design them so. HELLO! The Enchanted Tales are the extensions of the movies everyone loves!
HEY anyone notice how the boys get talking toys, talking cars, and talking animals, but all the girls get is human princesses?
Well,i don't see anyone (or at least in this forum) in my side,they all think it allright that Disney think that only little girls like the Disney Princess and now people treat badly males who does like the Disney Princess.
and,well,only exepct a few people (You,Disney Villain,Atlanticaunderthesea,Candydog and more) no one here expet other people's minds so i think i"ll leave this forum,there are some people here that dosn't want to listen to other people,being not nice to them,i find this forum cold and i"m leaving,i"ll check only information but nothing more then that.
PeterPanfan wrote:Ariel's Prince,you're leaving because people disagree with you???
*sighs*
No,becouse people are acting cold to me becouse they disagree with ("Oh no,we are forced to love Mary Poppins" "we can bash TinkerBell,Ariel and Snow White all day along,but you can't bash Kida","of course we think Cinderella is only for little girls! jsut becouse we're wasting out money on Platinum Edition dosn't mean we actually think it's not!,Disney can say everything they want and people can make faces to people who loves the Disney Princess" and "oh no,the danger is over").
Ariel'sprince wrote:Well,i don't see anyone (or at least in this forum) in my side,they all think it allright that Disney think that only little girls like the Disney Princess and now people treat badly males who does like the Disney Princess.
and,well,only exepct a few people (You,Disney Villain,Atlanticaunderthesea,Candydog and more) no one here expet other people's minds so i think i"ll leave this forum,there are some people here that dosn't want to listen to other people,being not nice to them,i find this forum cold and i"m leaving,i"ll check only information but nothing more then that.
I am very sorry to hear that you feel that way. I like your posts but not everyone has to agree with you. I agree with basically everything Disney Duster, and Escapay said about the Disney site. While I do Love the princesses more so than young girls, when it comes to marketing I understand Disney's stand. And I also understand where you stand on the issue.
I am an 18 year old male with a girlfriend who just started college, and will walk around humming songs from the "Disney Princess Tea Party Album" and "Enchanted Tales". So to me it dosen't matter how Disney decides to market their characters. I do have a problem though when I walk into target and I see Disney Princess Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams in the Preschool section, that bothers me.
PeterPanfan wrote:Ariel's Prince,you're leaving because people disagree with you???
*sighs*
No,becouse people are acting cold to me becouse they disagree with ("Oh no,we are forced to love Mary Poppins" "we can bash TinkerBell,Ariel and Snow White all day along,but you can't bash Kida","of course we think Cinderella is only for little girls! jsut becouse we're wasting out money on Platinum Edition dosn't mean we actually think it's not!,Disney can say everything they want and people can make faces to people who loves the Disney Princess" and "oh no,the danger is over").
Excuse me? No one has talked in these manners to you. No one said we're being forced to love anything concerning YOU, no one singled YOU out for character dislike (and again, you have completely twisted the words of Escapay and myself), and no one with half a brain here thinks that Cinderella is just for little girls. "Oh no, the danger is over," doesn't even make sense.
THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. We're not out to get you. We would just like you to think before you speak (er, type)!
Disney Villain wrote:I am very sorry to hear that you feel that way. I like your posts but not everyone has to agree with you. I agree with basically everything Disney Duster, and Escapay said about the Disney site. While I do Love the princesses more so than young girls, when it comes to marketing I understand Disney's stand. And I also understand where you stand on the issue.
I am an 18 year old male with a girlfriend who just started college, and will walk around humming songs from the "Disney Princess Tea Party Album" and "Enchanted Tales". So to me it dosen't matter how Disney decides to market their characters. I do have a problem though when I walk into target and I see Disney Princess Enchanted Tales: Follow Your Dreams in the Preschool section, that bothers me.
I really hope you decide to stay on the forums.
Best of Luck
- Mike
It's not that they arn't agree with me,it's the cold way they tell me that ("Oh no! we are forced to love Mary Poppins!" and etc.).
when they're marketing the Princesses to little girls people think it's only for little girls,and now they're that there's somethings worng with males that like the Disney Princesses,and also little boys don't want to see those films becouse they think it's for girls and something like Bratz or Barbie.
and yes,i think it's worng and i blame for all this,the website is just a little exmaple for all of this.
and i like the original fairy tales and stories as well,with all of this marketing i think i prefer the original tales.
Prudence wrote:
Excuse me? No one has talked in these manners to you. No one said we're being forced to love anything concerning YOU, no one singled YOU out for character dislike (and again, you have completely twisted the words of Escapay and myself), and no one with half a brain here thinks that Cinderella is just for little girls. "Oh no, the danger is over," doesn't even make sense.
THIS IS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. We're not out to get you. We would just like you to think before you speak (er, type)!
Excuse me!? yes you did:
check out the first page to see about "The danger is over".
and even you the "needless Kida bashing",dons't Escapay bash Ariel as well?.
you're saying it's okay that Disney is franchising girls,does it okay that cashiers make werid looks on people who wanna buy princess marchandise? you tell me now.
this way of responding others and eye rolling only insulting people.
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Ariel'sprince, asPrudence stated no one is singling you out. You should realize that everyone here on this forum loves the movies no matter how their marketed today.
This, however is where you hit the nail on the head, Ariel'sprince:
when they're marketing the Princesses to little girls people think it's only for little girls,and now they're that there's somethings worng with males that like the Disney Princesses,and also little boys don't want to see those films becouse they think it's for girls and something like Bratz or Barbie.
This couldn’t be truer. If I could tell you how many times people have told me I was strange or called me names because I liked Disney Princesses. I was showing Sleeping Beauty to my 3 year old male cousin when my uncle came down and demanded the "girly crap", as he put it to be turned off. He felt it was corrupting his 3 year olds manliness . I'll never understand people.
Disney Villain wrote: This, however is where you hit the nail on the head, Ariel'sprince:
when they're marketing the Princesses to little girls people think it's only for little girls,and now they're that there's somethings worng with males that like the Disney Princesses,and also little boys don't want to see those films becouse they think it's for girls and something like Bratz or Barbie.
This couldn’t be truer. If I could tell you how many times people have told me I was strange or called me names because I liked Disney Princesses. I was showing Sleeping Beauty to my 3 year old male cousin when my uncle came down and demanded the "girly crap", as he put it to be turned off. He felt it was corrupting his 3 year olds manliness . I'll never understand people.
Exactly what happend to me! i bought a Belle Jibbit for crocs,the cashire asked if it's for me so i told her that yes,she looked werid and after i bought it i went out of the shop.
also my father promised to buy my cousin a pencil bag and he wanted a Spider-Man 3 one (why Marvel franchise violnce movies for small children ) and he was joking and told him it's an Ariel and my aunt joked and said it's a TinkerBell one and he said "yack! it's girl stuff" althought he wanted to play a Pocahontas game,he still dons't know she's a Disney Princess.
about your uncle-he is werid and he wasn't right,also it's like he's want your cousin to grow up fast (he's that "carping his manliness" about a 3 years old child).
i know everyone in this forum whould like the films no matter what but ignoring this problem isn't good at all.
Okay...good for the children. All true Disney fans KNOW that the Princesses aren't for girls only! WE know! Why do you think we come here?? To talk about salad??
PeterPanfan wrote:Okay...good for the children. All true Disney fans KNOW that the Princesses aren't for girls only! WE know! Why do you think we come here?? To talk about salad??
I know that you know but you don't think about what other people think and about those problems.
Disney Villain wrote:I was showing Sleeping Beauty to my 3 year old male cousin when my uncle came down and demanded the "girly crap", as he put it to be turned off. He felt it was corrupting his 3 year olds manliness . I'll never understand people.
Oh, goodness. My now 9 year old male cousin, as wells as my 10 and 7 year old younger "brothers" have been raised to be more open-minded than that. =/ (They're not my biological or marital brothers, but we are like family.) My cousin's favorite color is pink! Heh. My uncle isn't fond of -that,- but at least he allows his son to be his own person.
Disney Villain: That's a bummer bout your manly uncle, he should let the kid choose what HE wants.
I recall an early childhood class that I took in the fall of 06, and we were discussing behaviors, one of the adults in the room explained a story bout their father catching the adult student's son playing with dolls and told him to play with his trucks, the said child expressed himself by cont. playing with the dolls at the pre-school. The father spoke with the teachers bout this and said: I don't want my child playing with dolls cause it'll make him gay.
Mason_Ireton wrote:Disney Villain: That's a bummer bout your manly uncle, he should let the kid choose what HE wants.
I recall an early childhood class that I took in the fall of 06, and we were discussing behaviors, one of the adults in the room explained a story bout their father catching the adult student's son playing with dolls and told him to play with his trucks, the said child expressed himself by cont. playing with the dolls at the pre-school. The father spoke with the teachers bout this and said: I don't want my child playing with dolls cause it'll make him gay.
Sometime i can't understand those people .
about the adults students son-if children in that age play dons't mean they're gay,it's something that pass in their life.
