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Lazario wrote:
JiminyCrick91 wrote:Are you sure that tip is not ment for yourself?
If you were serious about what you were saying, you wouldn't throw accusations like that around.
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Isn't that a pot calling a kettle black

Anyways...
1. People would not think they are "branded" on UD just because of their sexual orientation. However, they would see that they get in arguments because of their rudness and close mindedness.
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AwallaceUNC wrote:That makes them Disney movies to me, or at least while I'm in the US.
I'm sensing rant 764 coming on! ;)
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Lazario wrote: That's not the way things are going here. Especially not in the case of dvdjunkie. I never spurned him personally, but he has absolutely taken a crusade against me because I was right, to be a Republican/conservative as he is so adamently, is to forsake caring about the wellfare (not 'that' welfare) of millions of people, and to hate the minority. He doesn't see the fact that I haven't spurned him personally, I understand his political status is a mistake. One of privilage and not one of reality. He doesn't understand that his way doesn't work for most people, but he wants to be of-the-elite, so he fights dirty. He doesn't care about being fair, he just wants to win. So he tries to bury me in cliches and stereotypes. I'm a "bomb-thrower"? Hardly. That would be insisting that there is no truth in what I've claimed. When the reality I'm talking about is reality for millions of people, in the U.S. alone. That doesn't impress him, no matter how many times I say it. Why? Because to be what he is is not to care about all, but to care about those who resemble him.
Now thats funny
Why are you calling his political status a mistake, It is not a mistake, that would be like saying yours is a mistake but it is not it is your belief, you should think a little more careful how you word things.
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castleinthesky wrote:Isn't that a pot calling a kettle black?

Anyways...
1. People would not think they are "branded" on UD just because of their sexual orientation. However, they would see that they get in arguments because of their rudeness and close mindedness.
Do you even remember what we were arguing about, the two of us? Right there, you'll see you are the pot calling the kettle black. You were far ruder than I was and your whole opinion was obtained through close-mindedness.
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memnv wrote:Why are you calling his political status a mistake, It is not a mistake, that would be like saying yours is a mistake but it is not it is your belief
Okay... Without liberalism, we would have no civil liberties at all. Zip, zero, none. Without conservatism, we would have no... bigotry, racism, sexism, misogny, chauvenism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, agism, and war - among other things. Zip, zero, none.
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Lazario wrote:
castleinthesky wrote:Isn't that a pot calling a kettle black?

Anyways...
1. People would not think they are "branded" on UD just because of their sexual orientation. However, they would see that they get in arguments because of their rudeness and close mindedness.
Do you even remember what we were arguing about, the two of us? Right there, you'll see you are the pot calling the kettle black. You were far ruder than I was and your whole opinion was obtained through close-mindedness.
Yeah, I bet I was far more close minded. As was dvdjunkie, Isidour, Prince Eric, Jiminy Cricket, menv, and multiple others that have all had run-ins with you. :roll:
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How soon you forget what they and I were discussing. It's as simple as that.
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Lazario wrote:
memnv wrote:Why are you calling his political status a mistake, It is not a mistake, that would be like saying yours is a mistake but it is not it is your belief
Okay... Without liberalism, we would have no civil liberties at all. Zip, zero, none. Without conservatism, we would have no... bigotry, racism, sexism, misogny, chauvenism, homophobia, anti-Semitism, agism, and war - among other things. Zip, zero, none.
we would have all those things no matter what we had, most if not all this stuff as been around since the begining of man kind. I dont think you know what point your trying to make, since there is none
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674. The pointless arguments
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Lazario wrote:How soon you forget what they and I were discussing. It's as simple as that.
I remember we were arguing about the former pope, which led to an argument about abortion.
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memnv wrote:we would have all those things no matter what we had, most if not all this stuff as been around since the begining of man kind. I dont think you know what point your trying to make, since there is none
The point, m'dear, is that liberalism protects us from these injustices.
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yeah right, How??????????
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memnv wrote:yeah right, How??????????
The law, courtrooms, free speech, protests / marches / demonstrations... It's too broad for me to ever be able to explain in a few sentences, paragraphs, pages of text. I could try to explain for days, weeks, months, years, but I guess it's just kind of abstract.

I have faith in it, though. More faith than most people have in God. Or in the President, politicians, certainly Republicans and conservatives alike, the police , you name it! Liberals care about people and rights, Conservatives care about money and power. That's the way it's always been. Tell me then, why don't or didn't Republicans ever do anything about AIDS. Or why so many southern Republican politicians supported the Ku Klux Klan. Or why conservative small towns always take the football player's side when a girl says she was raped? Why did conservative/fundamentalist-churches advertise for their sermons after the release of Passion of the Christ: "Jews killed our lord Jesus", and why did Republicans rush to defense of Mel Gibson? Why do they choose to support the Pope or the preachers who cry homosexuality is a sin? Why were conservatives always the ones who didn't allows blacks, jews, or gays to join their yaght clubs or country clubs?

And most importantly, why don't you people care about the crimes done to people because of politics?! In the end, Clinton was a huge supporter of gay rights. He had Ellen Generes and Anne Heche at White House dinners, together and had photos taken with them in public, standing together. He tried to overturn the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy and was pro- gays in the military. What did the Bush administraton do for gays??? Oh, that's right... He : 1. refused to continue legally recognizing June as Gay-Pride month, 2. publically supports the bill to legally redefine marriage as an institution between a man & woman only, 3. proclaim they want a return to traditional American values for the purpose of (among other things) reclaiming the tradition idea of gender and family roles, 4. Cheney refuses to publically recognize his daughter as a lesbian and also refuses to have her photographed with him at the 2004 Republican National Convention but had her government-ordered to attend = a complete violation of her right as a HUMAN BEING to be proud of who she is.

If you don't give a crap about these things, you are lower than dirt. And that - is just my opinion!
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memnv wrote:yeah right, How??????????
The law, courtrooms, free speech, protests / marches / demonstrations... It's too broad for me to ever be able to explain in a few sentences, paragraphs, pages of text. I could try to explain for days, weeks, months, years, but I guess it's just kind of abstract.

I have faith in it, though. More faith than most people have in God. Or in the President, politicians, certainly Republicans and conservatives alike, the police , you name it! Liberals care about people and rights, Conservatives care about money and power. That's the way it's always been. Tell me then, why don't or didn't Republicans ever do anything about AIDS. Or why so many southern Republican politicians supported the Ku Klux Klan. Or why conservative small towns always take the football player's side when a girl says she was raped? Why did conservative/fundamentalist-churches advertise for their sermons after the release of Passion of the Christ: "Jews killed our lord Jesus", and why did Republicans rush to defense of Mel Gibson? Why do they choose to support the Pope or the preachers who cry homosexuality is a sin? Why were conservatives always the ones who didn't allows blacks, jews, or gays to join their yaght clubs or country clubs?
First, you are getting Republicans and conservatives mixed. They are not the same, in any way. Remember, what political group gave slaves freedom? :wink: , but that group was liberal at the time. Also, I guess when the Democrats supported slavery and supported the Ku Klux Klan, they weren't at fault. Liberal and Democratic are not the same.

Nextly homosexuality is a sin, just like every other sin. Just like lieing, cheating, cursing, or stealing. However, like every other sin, homosexuality should be forgiven, which many don't fogive.

Next, I guess it must always be the guys fault when a girl gets raped. What if the girl wanted to be raped, or raped the guy. I guess it is always the guys fault because he was born a guy. :roll:

And also, many liberals didn't allow blacks, jews, and others join their yacht clubs. You must have been reading some distorted type of history.
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AwallaceUNC wrote:That makes them Disney movies to me, or at least while I'm in the US.
I'm sensing rant 764 coming on! ;)
:lol: At least I said US and not America. ;)

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That is funny, Hmmm So Politics commit the crime, It is the Politics that are prejudice, Politics make war. I always thought it was the people who did all this and the people who break the laws. Oh well this is new news to me
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You know, if you actually cared about people - you wouldn't carry on like that! You are looking to protect the victimizers. You haven't once admitted that are problems that these people don't help stop. But rather, they are 2 steps away from cheering it on.
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your statements are such jokes no wonder most people try to ignore you
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memnv wrote:your statements are such jokes no wonder most people try to ignore you
There you go again, ignoring my point.
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you have not made any valid points
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