Unedited release of 40s package features? (Saludos, etc)

[cletus510]

What is the conventional wisdom (guesses) on whether or not Disney will re-release the series of anthologies/package films from the 40s (Saludos Amigos, Three Caballeros, Make Mine Music, Melody Time, Fun and Fancy Free) without the politically correct edits?

I'd like to get these films, but not in their current states.

Also, wouldn't it be great that if they did re-release them, they put them all in one big box set with bonus features (after all, they are pretty short individually and are related thematically)?

[Uncle Remus]

Also, wouldn't it be great that if they did re-release them, they put them all in one big box set with bonus features (after all, they are pretty short individually and are related thematically)?

well i could imagine that they did a DVD 2-pack for the price of 1 deal with the following:
Sauldos Amigos + The Three Caballeros
Make Mine Music + Melody Time
Fun and Fancy Free + Adventures of Icahbod and Mr. Toad

i also imagine that sooner or later they will release a Treasures Tin with all of the independent shorts (Ben and Me, Donald in MathMagical Land, ect).

i think the only time that Disney will release those films unedited is when the United States is safe from all the problems in the world (guns and violence, underage smoking, ect) and when Disney stops caring about "political correctness".

[Joe Carioca]

Well, "The Three Caballeros" and "Fun and Fancy Free" have not been censored, so you can buy them without warning.
"Melody Time" has been released unedited in the UK and in Australia. If you have a multiregion player, you can buy them from either www.ezydvd.com.au or www.amazon.co.uk

As for "Saludos Amigos" and "Make Mine Music", we can only hope for special editions in the future. "Saludos Amigos" has more chances of being released unedited, since Disney is probably going to release a special edition of it and "The Three Caballeros" in the near future, since all the suplements are ready.

[Chernobog]

As for "Saludos Amigos" and "Make Mine Music", we can only hope for special editions in the future. "Saludos Amigos" has more chances of being released unedited, since Disney is probably going to release a special edition of it and "The Three Caballeros" in the near future, since all the suplements are ready.

Suplements?? What suplements??

[Joe Carioca]

As for "Saludos Amigos" and "Make Mine Music", we can only hope for special editions in the future. "Saludos Amigos" has more chances of being released unedited, since Disney is probably going to release a special edition of it and "The Three Caballeros" in the near future, since all the suplements are ready.

Suplements?? What suplements??

The bonus features produced for the collectors edition on LD. It was a pack with both Saludos Amigos and The Three Caballeros.
If Deathie Mouse doesn't mind (I hope he doesn't), I'm going to paste here the transcription he wrote for me of the laserdiscs bonuses and collectibles.
Everything sounds sooo great... I'll be very furious at Disney if they don't release it on DVD.

disneys exclusive archive collection is a laserdisc exploration of the greatest features, shorts, cartons and television shorts from the Walt Disney Studio vault.

"presented in their original, full 1.33 screen ratio." (Yeah right. Academy is 1.375)

rarely seen behind the scenes documentary, south of the border with disney

on screen text detailing original research and development tour

rare live action footage for animation reference . storyboards for deleted seqyuences

conceptual drawing and paintings

original teatrical trailers

original publicity including posters lobby cards and press books

behind the scenes footage showing techniques used to combine live-action with animation

original screen test for latin American musical star Aurora Miranda.

3 Caballeros 72 minutes technicolor rated G
Saludos Amigos 42 minutes technicolor not rated

digital sound

the 12" (30cm) back cover has

b/w drawing of goofy el gaucho eating with another gaucho
color photo of Disney showing a joe carioca/us soldier drawing cover book to a Joe carioca doll
Saludos Amigos color poster (says: introducing joe carioca the brazilian jitterbird)
color photo of Aurora flirting with 3-D shaded drawing of donald
color photo of animator painting some color backgrounds one of them a México map
color poster of three caballeros (says: Panchito Joe Carioca Donald and in the flesh Aurora Miranda Carmen Molina Dora Luz)
background (semi transparent) color drawing of Joe being kissed by a drawn Aurora Miranda like hottie

The 12" 4 page booklet

page 1 (cover) looks almost the same as the laserdisc cover but has a silvergrey line drawing of donald on the left and joe on the right surrounding the color 3-d shaded drawing from the laserdisc cover

it also says

liner notes . rare photos . chapter stops



Page 2-
bw photo of disney embarking on his '41 Latin American trip
early conceptual color drawing for Saludos Amigos, has Aurora Miranda like hottie dancing and donald falling on his ass
color art of Pingüino and kitchen floating in blocks of ice
bw photo of 3-d shaded Donald and Panchito dancing in front of Carmen Molina and the other mexican girl dancers
color photo (altho may be a great hand coloring job) of Disney with Carmen Molina laughing
color artwork of the horses racing against the burrito

text:

"A masterpiece! the washington post

in combining brillint animation festive live action and a fiesta of latinamerican culture saludos amigos and the 3 caballeros are most unique among walt disney's classic animated features. exhuberant extravaganzas of color comedy and song SA and 3C were disney's entertaining contribution to building peace at a time of world war."

then talks about how the USA goverment wanted Latinamerica to be friends with the US during the war , so one of the things they did was recruit Walt Disney to go make friends with Latinamerica.

that José was based on a guide they had in Rio. that "José became the greatest thing down south since Mickey Mouse"

that SA was the first Hollywood movie to premiere in all Latinamerican countries before it did in the USA.
it got 2 Academy Award nominations: Best Song: Saludos Amigos (deathie note: What? Not the Brasil one?) and Best Scoring

"While half the world is being forced to shout 'Heil Hitler' our answer is to say ¡Saludos amigos!" said Walt Disney.

(it says more.. it's long)


Page 3-
the 3 caballeros poster on the back of the laserdisc again
preliminary color artwork for saludos amigos showing people on a sidewalk overlooking the sea and the Rio de Janeiro mountains (I think)
b/w photo of the technicolor camera on a crane over the girls on the beach sequence
hand colored photo of 3-d shaded donald buried in the sand between the bathing beauties.
bw photo of teatro Trocadero billboard in Rio de Janeiro with portrait of Disney saying "Bienvenido Disney!" on the premiere of Fantasía
color foto of ceramic figures of joe pancho and donald on top of music sheet, produced for the original release of the 3 caballeros

text:


talks about the live action/animated process, then goes on to talk about Pancho Pistolas, about the title song and it's animated sequence, about breaking the rules of animation (deathie note: no doubt inspired by the latinamerican way of seeing things which is so diferent from the US hahahahaha! ) about hiring Aurora, Carmen, and Dora. Abbout the world premiere in Ciudad México december 21, 1944. about the songs becoming hits and being covered by Bing Crosby and the Andrew sisters. About José, Panchito, and "Donaldo" being made into merchandisde and memorabilia, and it ends the text with the word Olé!

also the 2 page spread has a transparent background color drawing of the 3 guys flying o n the magic serape and to the right of that a bw transparent foto of Aurora Miranda in front of line drawings of other similarly dressed girls and donald and panchito looking up at her playing the guitars (im sure joe is in that drawing but he is covered by the Disney in teatro Trocadero billboard picture)

Page 4-
silvergrey drawing of the 3 with sus sombreros, rising their hands up singing covered by navigational chart
Ok here is the navigational chart in Page 4



CAV means: individual full resolution frame to frame access and full motion manipulation even playing the movie at 72 fps (which would be seen only at the maximum 60 interlaced fields of NTSC video of course plus all slow motions, all in foerward or reverse)

CLV means frame manipulation of frames and motion done digitally, similar to the way most dvd players handle that today.

on CAV frames always have full vertical resolution in any play mode
on CLV frames have half the vertical resolution in slow motion, still, and fast play

(DVDs that are not progressive frame encoded do this halving of the vertical resolution too in slow motion, still, and fast play )

Laserdisc had 2 analog channels and 2 digital channels, you could choose between haearing digital o analog and between left, right , or both


Laserdisc side 1
3 caballeros in CAV
chapter 1- Program start
ch-2 Opening credits
Ch-3 Donald watches a film about "the cold-blooded penguin"
ch-4 a hop over the Andes and a visit with more rare birds
ch-5 the story of "the flying gauchito"
ch 6 Have you ever been to Baía? ("Baía" song)

side 2
ch-7 Off to Baía
ch 8 Donald looses his heat to the cookie lady ("Os quindins de Yayá" song)
ch-9 A problem of size
ch-10 Donald, José, Panchito: "The Three Caballeros"
ch-11 Donald's gift from México ("Las Posadas")
ch-12 "México" music and a ride on a magical serape

side 3
ch-13 on to Vera Cruz ("Lilongo" music)
ch-14 Acapulco
ch 15 the romantic skies of México ("You belong to my heart" song)
ch-16 Donald's surreal reverie
ch 17 Donald joins the dance ("Jesusita " music)

Digital track: Restored Soundtrack
Analog track: Music and sound effects only tracks (in mono) (in other words: no dialogue)

side 3
Supplementals in CAV
ch-18 Table of contents for the disc (what you're reading right now )
ch 19 History of the Latinamerican films
ch 20 research and development trip to south America
ch 21 preliminary designs and concept art
ch 22 story sketches "aquarela do Brasil"
ch 23 deleted storyboard concept "blame it on the samba"
ch 24 deleted storyboard concept "the hornero bird"
ch 25 preliminary costume designs
ch 26 photo galery: studio production
ch 27 combining live action andanimation
ch 28 behind the scenes filming the Jesusita dance
ch 29 behind the scenes rear projection elements for the Jesusita dance (note from deathie: the animation movie used behind the girl. if you know how, you can do a chroma key with your video camera and be on it! hahaha)
ch 30 saludos amigos publicity
ch 31 3 caballeros publicity
ch 32 newsreel footage the 3 caballeros preview screening at the disney studios 20th of december of 1944 (deathie note: this is where Carmen and Aurora are with Disney)

side 4
CLV Supplemental (this gets complicated but believe me it's all there at the same time. "audio" means that feature is only audio, no visuals)

ch 33: a-South of the border with disney, 1942. movie.
b-The coca cola show excerpt radio broadcast december 12, 1942, disney goofy donald talk about saludos amigos. audio.
c-Command Performance excerpt interview with Donald (Clarence Nash) José Carioca (José Oliveira) Pancho Pistolas (Joaquín Garay) who sing the 3 caballeros, and Goofy (Pinto Colvig) makes a guest appearance). early 1945 . audio.
ch 34: newsreel footage argentino "la revista de cine presenta".
ch 35: a-live action reference footage.
b-Bob Burns show excerpt interview with Disney on the eve of his departure to Ciudad México for research for los 3 caballeros, december '42. audio.
c-Shooting stars radio broadcast april 4, '45 interview of José Oliveira. audio.
ch 36: a-screen test of Aurora Miranda.
b-Los Tres Caballeros spanish version of the song. audio.
c-Fifteen "3 caballeros" 15 second radio spots. audio.
ch 37: a-behind the scenes filming the Acapulco beach scene (in California )
b-Saludos amigos: the Music of Latinamerica. 1943 radio broadcast hosted by disney. audio.
ch 38: Clip from the mickey mouse club with José Oliveira november 15, 1955
ch 39: Saludos Amigos trailer
ch 40: 3 Caballeros trailer

side 5
CAV supplemental section and the movie

ch 41: A Brazilian Symphony: Caxanga (1942) reconstruction of the short
ch 42: Saludos Amigos opening credits
ch 43 The expedition begins
ch 44 Lago Titicaca short
ch 45 flight across the Andes into Chile
ch 46 Pedro short

side 6
CAV movie and supplemental section

ch 47 Buenos Aires, y a las pampas
ch 48 Goofy el gaucho short
ch 49 Rio de Janeiro
ch 50 Aquarela do Brasil short
ch 51 The Laughing Gauchito (1942) reconstruction of the short
ch 52 Laserdisc credits

[Uncle Remus]

Boy, Joe Carioca. you better hope that Disney knows about this laserdisc. if they dont then Disney would never rerelease the movie with all those bonus features from the laserdisc.

[Chernobog]

Oh my god, Joe, these are fabulous bonus features!! I love both Saludos Amigos and the Three Caballeros, they are so historical interesting films that deserve better DVd editions.

[Joe Carioca]

Boy, Joe Carioca. you better hope that Disney knows about this laserdisc. if they dont then Disney would never rerelease the movie with all those bonus features from the laserdisc.

How can Disney not know about this LD if they produced it?
Yeah, let's cross our fingers and hope for a release in the future.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

I'd guess only a far-away corner of Disney knows about the Three Caballeros/Saludos Amigos laserdisc set. And yes, it is quite a treasure.

Speaking of "treasures", maybe a Walt Disney Treasures set of MMM and MT and other musical material could be one way to get these titles released uncut.