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Which changes would WDAS probably make for potential Fairytale Adaptations?

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Im talking about changes like what Tangled is to Rapunzel, Frozen to Snowqueen, Gigantic to Beanstalk etc.

Think of any fairytale you can think of, and what you would expect them to change, based on plot, characters etc.

NOT what u hope for them to do (because i think there was already a thread for your dream adaptations) so please just stick to what todays WDAS would probably change, based on the last 15 years of WDAS :!:

Do you think they would butcher it or is there potential for improvement? :huh:
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4. Sugar talking (...๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
6. ๐–ฉ๐—Ž๐—‡๐—ˆ (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ)
7. ๐–ง๐–บ๐—‹๐–ฝ ๐—๐—ˆ ๐—Œ๐–บ๐—’ ๐—‚๐—† ๐—Œ๐—ˆ๐—‹๐—‹๐—’ (๐–ข๐—๐—‚๐–ผ๐–บ๐—€๐—ˆ)
8. ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‚๐–ป๐–ป๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡ ๐–ฐ๐—Ž๐–พ๐–พ๐—‡! ( ๐–ก๐—‚๐—…๐—…๐—’ ๐–ฎ๐–ผ๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡)
9.๐–ณ๐—๐–พ ๐–ถ๐—‚๐—‡๐—‡๐–พ๐—‹ ๐—๐–บ๐—„๐–พ๐—Œ ๐—‚๐— ๐–บ๐—…๐—… (๐–ก๐– ๐–ก๐–ก๐– )
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Re: Which changes would WDAS probably make for potential Fairytale Adaptations?

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It depends. What fairy tale or short story havenโ€™t they adapted yet?
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Going off how I've said they need to commit to some kind of trinity of fairy tales / literary adaptations (whether books, legends, whatever), trying to think of the best ones to go with.

- Rumpelstiltskin is one of the best-known left that doesn't feel too inconsequential but also gives them room to work with. A story with a protagonist who makes a deal with a villain seems appropriate for first in a trio since it parallels both TLM and TP&TF in the last trio of films that revived them. With a flip on TLM, the female protagonist makes the deal to save her family that's destitute rather than out of discord with the father. They'd have to work on whatever the "price" would be since of course it wouldn't be her firstborn child like the tale. Perhaps the deal elevates her to being in the castle and her price is giving Rumpelstiltskin inside knowledge about whatever the King (or Queen) is doing--or whatever their weaknesses are--in order to help him overthrow the king/queen eventually unbeknownst to her when she first makes the deal. Perhaps some buddy roadtrip with a prince love interest to find out Rumpel's name and defeat him after he's taken over with him sending some kind of magic or creatures after her and the prince to stop her similar to Facilier sending the shadow creatures or Ursula trying to stop the kiss with the fake wedding? Maybe the Prince met her before she was helped by Rimpel and Rumpel's magic disguises her from him. On the roadtrip, he'll naturally distrust her to begin with considering he thinks she helped Rumpel only to grow close to her over the time whole being conflicted over the girl he met before (similar to Eric's conflict or Naveen's evolution towards Tiana).
- I wouldn't mind them reviving Gigantic after the last concept art we saw of it was surprisingly pretty interesting. Plus, it's best to have at least one of the three be a story with a male lead. I could see Gigantic fitting here in the second of a potential trio since the giant child they described in versions they had worked on reminded me of Rapunzel wanting to leave the tower and Jack is a bit Flynn-esque; it would be better to make the child older for the sake of a romantic plot. To parallel B&tB and Tangled, they could insert a villain in the vein of Gothel / Gaston who is the type whose darker side is only revealed to the protagonist(s) as the story moves along. Perhaps the giant who had the goose that lays golden eggs or whatever person gives Jack the beans. If a giant is the villain, perhaps them being defeated could somehow make all the giants normal-sized or something along those lines. That's the only way there could be some kind of romance between Jack and the giant character (the size differential at the start would remind me a bit of the hijinks of Rapunzel with the frying pan). Perhaps the road trip or whatever aspect would be Jack convincing her to take her to the golden goose for some reason. Just thinking as I'm writing here: Perhaps if the villain is whoever gave Jack the beans instead, they would be a bit like Jafar with Aladdin--asking Jack to retrieve the goose in return for helping Jack save the mother's farm and keeping them from starving. Actually, that sounds a lot like early Aladdin and "Proud of Your Boy." :lol: Unintentional, but I like it. Perhaps taking the goose away transforms the giants normal-sized and returns them to wherever Jack is from which they had escaped from. Some kind of jeopardy they're put in because of it gets resolved, they get the goose back (maybe the golden eggs are some kind of wish-granting thing that had made them giants and allowed them to live in the sky, IDK), but the giant heroine character convinces them to stay the way they are rather than going back to being separate from the people below. That would work if her father was a king and the one who had the goose they steal, I guess. Her finding out he tricked her initially to get the goose would be reminiscent to Rapunzel thinking Flynn abandoned her for the tiara and feeling betrayed, with him having some kind of near-death in the climax for her sake as a resolution? Similar to Beast/Flynn dying. Him dying could be what makes the former giants decide to stay, and maybe a golden egg revives him or something a la Rapunzel's powers doing it for Flynn.
- Hansel and Gretel could work if they gave it a sort of Coraline-vibe maybe. The sibling relationship being the focus would be reminiscent of Frozen. The witch snowing the two children and manipulating them is also Hans-esque really, but of course it wouldn't work as a twist for the audience like Hans did since the tale is so well-known. They'd have to work to make this one more substantial. Perhaps H&G are an orphaned prince and princess, and the witch is a character who comes to court attempting to manipulate them with gifts (toys, food, etc.) out of desire to takeover somehow. That would also parallel Jafar's Vizier role manipulating the Sultan and Hans trying to use Anna. Hansel would end up falling for the manipulation (similar to how he's the one that falls for temptation in the tale), causing a division between the two siblings that grows. Maybe the family has some kind of secret power source the Witch is trying to get at (to "consume," in other words) that they don't know that she knows about, Hansel reveals it to her at the climax after the division between him and Gretel has reached its nadir, then naturally the takeover and battle occurs (with Gretel having to do her in to save them both a la pushing her into the stove in the story). Again, just brainstorming as I go--maybe they aren't the orphans they think they are. Perhaps they learn in the climax (maybe Gretel learns via some roadtrip scenario she goes on to find out more about the Witch with some Kristoff-type love interest just before Hansel makes the decision to show her the power source, giving some kind of race sequence to get to him only to just fail to get there in time or he simply doesn't believe her when she gets there) that their parents had been abducted and transformed by the Witch when they were on some trip or other because two children would be easier to get past / manipulate than adults who know better. That way her death restores the family at the end, Gretel has her love interest, etc. Perhaps the Witch's relationship with Hansel could be reminiscent of the White Witch and Edmund from Narnia, playing on sibling jealousy or whatever, her trying to be a maternal figure to manipulate his grief over the parents for her benefit. Maybe the Witch isn't even a person really, but some kind of dark entity naturally drawn towards the power source.

All three would be stories you would know right off even if they had weird adjective titles or whatever. As far as music... The Lopezes were already part of Gigantic. Either they or P&P on the others. Particularly on the latter, if they gave Gretel a sort of Jasmine-esque desire for freedom (that also parallels Elsa/Anna both hating their lives in Frozen), I could hear something like "Waiting On a Wish" working there. But Miranda wouldn't be terrible since I liked Encanto's soundtrack. I expect both he and the Lopezes would be busy with Frozen, Encanto sequels to do more than one original project. What is Stephen Schwartz doing these days anyway?
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Re: Which changes would WDAS probably make for potential Fairytale Adaptations?

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DisneyJedi wrote: โ†‘Sat May 24, 2025 7:59 am It depends. What fairy tale or short story havenโ€™t they adapted yet?
3 little Pigs, Emperors New Clothes, Nightingale, Red Riding Hood, Beanstalk, Hansel Gretel, Swan Lake, Goose Girl, Madame Holle, Wild Swans, Rumplestilskin, Princess and the Pea, & Goldi Locks would be a few examples. :)


I was thinking of Red Riding Hood, they would age her up to a 16-18 year old, befriending the wolf in classic roadtrip fashion on their way to granny, who gets mistreated for being a wolf thats just not acceptable for society. They bond over this, giving Red a personal reason to hide her face beneath the Red Hood (maybe she has ugly ears or she herself is half wolf with Wolf Ears, but thats something Ever After High already did with Cerise Hood). Her granny doesnt know this, living in the past and extremely conservative, but still really lovely, fragile and sweet. In beautiful plottwist fashion granny becomes the twist villain, trying to shoot the Wolf as they arrive, Red confronting her "omg granny hes my friend hes not like the others, im also different" eventually showing her her Wolf ears, hoping granny accepts the difference, only for granny to want to kill her too. Wolf howls to call for help, seeing granny about to shoot Red, jumping & sacrificing himself for Red, about to die, and granny tries to shoot Red next, only to find out she has no bullets left, so she grabs a knife and Red and Granny have a duel. The young unexperienced Hunter, whos Reds friend (maybe they were hanging out earlier and established him as an ally idk) coming as he heard the howl, saving the day (they wouldnt shoot the granny but knock her off somehow). Wolf and Red get accepted in society and she never wears the hood again.

Now call it "Red Hooded", "Howling" or "Wolfed" and its part of the Disney canon lol. :P

I personally would think this would definetly make the story more vivid and different enough, but also change the core and characters of the classic tale so drastically that aside from the Hood and Wolf its unrecognizable which i dont like. I personally would make Reds and Grannys conflicted relationship the heart of the story and keep it as grounded as possible, but I know Disney lives for the twists. :roll:
Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Sat May 24, 2025 5:40 pm Rumpelstiltskin is one of the best-known left that doesn't feel too inconsequential but also gives them room to work with. A story with a protagonist who makes a deal with a villain seems appropriate for first in a trio since it parallels both TLM and TP&TF in the last trio of films that revived them. With a flip on TLM, the female protagonist makes the deal to save her family that's destitute rather than out of discord with the father. They'd have to work on whatever the "price" would be since of course it wouldn't be her firstborn child like the tale. Perhaps the deal elevates her to being in the castle and her price is giving Rumpelstiltskin inside knowledge about whatever the King (or Queen) is doing--or whatever their weaknesses are--in order to help him overthrow the king/queen eventually unbeknownst to her when she first makes the deal.
Omg those are great breakdowns, Divinity! :D Makes sense they would scrap the baby part to keep their younger characters more innocent or conservative (although i wish disney would make a mother figure their protagonist atleast once.). Also i never understood how in the tale the Girl was ok with getting a baby from the Man that literally had her killed if she didnt provide gold, aside from falling in love with him...
Also clever way to integrate the buddy roadtrip formula into this one, with the search to find his name. I could really see such a version being made in the 2010s.


I could also expect them to do something similar to their Uncle Stilskin idea, on the surface looking like a typical villain but just Lonely or oddly misunderstood, which is such a big trend the last few years ( Megamind, Maleficent, Stitch, Joker). They would make him evil and proud until he befriends the farmer girl every night she needs his help and almost gets through him, but him thinking she just uses him or is friendly to get what she wants. He will do chaos in the climax (take over the kingdom) and she snaps him back to reality with her kindness or sacrifice, she ditches the goldhungry prince and Rumpel and Girl live happily ever after as buddies.
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Disney's Divinity wrote: โ†‘Sat May 24, 2025 5:40 pm Perhaps the giant who had the goose that lays golden eggs or whatever person gives Jack the beans. If a giant is the villain, perhaps them being defeated could somehow make all the giants normal-sized or something along those lines. That's the only way there could be some kind of romance between Jack and the giant character (the size differential at the start would remind me a bit of the hijinks of Rapunzel with the frying pan). Perhaps the road trip or whatever aspect would be Jack convincing her to take her to the golden goose for some reason. Just thinking as I'm writing here: Perhaps if the villain is whoever gave Jack the beans instead, they would be a bit like Jafar with Aladdin--asking Jack to retrieve the goose in return for helping Jack save the mother's farm and keeping them from starving
I love your aspect of the bean seller being the villain,ย  calculating Jacks trip to the giants from the start, making him do the hard exhausting part like Jafar. I also like that vague idea of the golden goose having something to do with the giants height. As u said, the Giants are now normal sized and now that the villain is in posession of the goose, in the climax he turns himself big, being the only giant that noone can defeat. Jack and Girl know the Goose is his power source so they somehow snatch it back and get deadly wounded as u said. I actually like those changes, its giving me 90s Renaissance vibes and your inputs actually filled lose ends from the OG tale rather than overcomplicating it. Make the Bean seller the evil mastermind/ Final Boss & the Evil Giants the less threatening B villains (like Razoul the Aladdin guard or the Hyenas) and we have something worthy of a Renaissance entry. 8)

H&G being royalty reminds me of the "A Tale Dark & Grim"ย  animated Netflix series, I loved that one. I can definetly see Disney turning them into royalty like they did with Rapunzel or Anna and Elsa. I personally think thats a stretch, especially since H&Gs story revolves around poverty so much, hence their love and obsession for the ginger bread house, but knowing Disney they would make them royals for no reason. It could still work as the changes you provided were still refreshing and definetly something that would fit into the WDAS 2010s DNA. :up:
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2.House Tour (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹)*new
3. Tears (Sabri- Carpen-)*new
4. Sugar talking (...๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
6. ๐–ฉ๐—Ž๐—‡๐—ˆ (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ)
7. ๐–ง๐–บ๐—‹๐–ฝ ๐—๐—ˆ ๐—Œ๐–บ๐—’ ๐—‚๐—† ๐—Œ๐—ˆ๐—‹๐—‹๐—’ (๐–ข๐—๐—‚๐–ผ๐–บ๐—€๐—ˆ)
8. ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‚๐–ป๐–ป๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡ ๐–ฐ๐—Ž๐–พ๐–พ๐—‡! ( ๐–ก๐—‚๐—…๐—…๐—’ ๐–ฎ๐–ผ๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡)
9.๐–ณ๐—๐–พ ๐–ถ๐—‚๐—‡๐—‡๐–พ๐—‹ ๐—๐–บ๐—„๐–พ๐—Œ ๐—‚๐— ๐–บ๐—…๐—… (๐–ก๐– ๐–ก๐–ก๐– )
10. Upside down (Diana Ross)
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The Disneynerd wrote: โ†‘Sun May 25, 2025 5:37 am 3 little Pigs, Emperors New Clothes, Nightingale, Red Riding Hood, Beanstalk, Hansel Gretel, Swan Lake, Goose Girl, Madame Holle, Wild Swans, Rumplestilskin, Princess and the Pea, & Goldi Locks would be a few examples.[/size] :)
I know its not exactly modern and not really what you mean, but there was Mickey and the Beanstalk, while it is short, its not technically a short, is it? its not like they haven't touched it.
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Plus, Disney already did The Three Little Pigs as a short and while Disney didn't make it, The Swan Princess might be the closest we'll get to a "Disney-esque" take on Swan Lake.
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I wish Disney would do Swan Lake like they may have when they were given the choice between that and Aladdin. Or just, they do their own version and its like Sleeping Beauty but no boringness or story problems or lack of emotion.
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Kyle wrote: โ†‘Sun May 25, 2025 7:58 pm I know its not exactly modern and not really what you mean, but there was Mickey and the Beanstalk, while it is short, its not technically a short, is it? its not like they haven't touched it.
Yeah I love Mickey & the Beanstalk, but they never made an "official" fleshed out adaptation, hence why Gigantic was in production in the first place, same with the rumored 3 pigs in the 2000s. They will eventually do it someday, but it could take decades like with Snow Queen.
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1. When did you get hot? :mickana: (Sabrina Carpenter)*new
2.House Tour (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹)*new
3. Tears (Sabri- Carpen-)*new
4. Sugar talking (...๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‰๐–พ๐—‡๐—๐–พ๐—‹!) *new
5. 9 to 5 (Dolly Parton)
6. ๐–ฉ๐—Ž๐—‡๐—ˆ (๐–ฒ๐–บ๐–ป๐—‹๐—‚๐—‡๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ๐–บ)
7. ๐–ง๐–บ๐—‹๐–ฝ ๐—๐—ˆ ๐—Œ๐–บ๐—’ ๐—‚๐—† ๐—Œ๐—ˆ๐—‹๐—‹๐—’ (๐–ข๐—๐—‚๐–ผ๐–บ๐—€๐—ˆ)
8. ๐–ข๐–บ๐—‹๐—‚๐–ป๐–ป๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡ ๐–ฐ๐—Ž๐–พ๐–พ๐—‡! ( ๐–ก๐—‚๐—…๐—…๐—’ ๐–ฎ๐–ผ๐–พ๐–บ๐—‡)
9.๐–ณ๐—๐–พ ๐–ถ๐—‚๐—‡๐—‡๐–พ๐—‹ ๐—๐–บ๐—„๐–พ๐—Œ ๐—‚๐— ๐–บ๐—…๐—… (๐–ก๐– ๐–ก๐–ก๐– )
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