Gay: for or against

tanyahead · Post by **tanyahead** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:19 am

im sorry.. this is kind of more religious stuff. How do you think about being gay, lesbian, or bisexual? some people make a big deal about it because they think its gross, disguisting, perverted, or a sin. or in other ways. what is wrong with it? if you love someone, you would love them no matter what, right(unless you dont really love them)? if they happen to be male or female you would probably want to be with them. In the news you have probably heard of same sex marriages being legal in many states. i think they should have done that a long~ time ago. i am for gay rights. even though i'm not myself but it doesnt always mean you have to be gay to know gay. maybe some people dont want gay rights to be allowed because of the bible. what does a book know? i know it supposedly should make you a better person, but how are we better if we think it's wrong to like someone? i dont want you to think i dont like the bible, i respect it! i just think that maybe we should all think about loooovee-- people might be happy gay. gay does mean happy! so... what do you think? for or against gay rights?

Paka · Post by **Paka** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 2:30 am

Uh oh - another homosexual thread. It can only end in pain...

Seriously, though - this has been brought up before, and most people here tend to have knee-jerk reactions to the issue, and it can get ugly. Thou hast been warned!!

But for me, homosexuality is fine. I think it's a much more innate behavior than people think (i.e. not a "choice"), and I believe homosexual couples should get the same legal rights and benefits that come from marriage as heterosexual couples.

catNC · Post by **catNC** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:03 am

While I feel that the physical aspects of homosexuality are not normal, natural, or even "innate" as Paka said, I do understand the desire to share one's life and love (and we all know love does not have one thing to do with being sexually attracted to one sex or the other) with another person be it of the same sex or not. I believe that if America truly was founded in the belief that all people are equal, we should treat everyone as such. I believe we should be able to enter into an "agreement" or "contract" with one (and only one) person with whom we'd like to share our lives with, and receive the same benefits of a married couple consisting of a man and a woman.

As much as I disagree with the idea of homosexuality, I do not judge any one for being gay/lesbian. Being a Christian, and how I was brought up, I do see it as "sin" (ooo the evil "s" word), but I do not see it as any different, as far as "sin" goes, than lying, stealing, everything we were taught in church that was a sin.

Excluding my religious views, I have a hard time understanding how anyone can say it is natural for anyone to be homosexual. When I hear a gay/lesbian person recount how they "discovered" they were "not normal" from a very young age (like 6 or 7) or "they always felt unique," I really don't understand how anyone can have sexual tendencies at that age. Maybe I'm naive and sheltered, but when I was that young, I was worried about my Barbie dolls hair, and how much time my brother and I got to play in our woods. I did feel that I was a unique individual and that there was no one like me, but I think that idea mainly came from my parents and from watching Mr. Rogers.

Also, I've read several statements from gay couples stating how one has taken on the masculine role, and the other the feminine role of the relationship. Why then are there masculine and feminine roles, and why do they refer to them as such? I understand the idea that one person should be the complement to the other in a relationship, whether the relationship is sexual or not, but even some gay/lesbian relationships seek to define their relationship in terms of a male/female relationship. Why does a homosexual couple feel the need to define their relationship in this way?

Then, there is the physical aspect of it all. It just don't work. It's not using our bodies the way they were designed. It's like trying to walk on your hands or eat with your ear. There is a reason we were designed the way we were.

I know my ideas probably come off to many as closed-minded and uninformed, but I must admit I have spent a long time trying to wrestle this issue in my mind. I have even had gay and lesbian friends of mine try to explain it to me, and I just don't get it. Most importantly, I do not judge anyone for being homosexual. Even though I do not "agree" with it, it is important to always be open and compassionate to all people. "Judge not lest ye be judged." It is very important to accept the many differences there are in the people of the world, but never expect yourself, or anyone else for that matter to agree or totally understand the differences.

2099net · Post by **2099net** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:06 am

Why do we have to be for or against? Why is everything these days either one or another?

Can't we just be neutral? (which is I suspect how most people will feel).

catNC · Post by **catNC** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:07 am

That is the "I dont' care" option on the poll.

buffalobill · Post by **buffalobill** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 8:21 am

I believe in live & let live. Homosexuality (as heterosexuality) is nature NOT nurture. People are born genetically predisposed to be the way they are in spite of what some religious bible thumpers would have you believe (I'm Catholic but I am not THE one to be judging people as some think they are). In spite of the Jerr Falwells of the world gay people cannot be "cured" by them.

poco · Post by **poco** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:28 am

I am not going to write a long post, or actually get into my answer, but I am pretty much for GLBT rights. God loves everyone so that is pretty much my theological response.

Rev. Poco

Disneykid · Post by **Disneykid** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:36 am

Yet another controversial thread by tanya. You just want this board to go up in shambles, don't you?

Son of the Morning · Post by **Son of the Morning** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:52 am

Homosexuality in the Animal Kingdom

Do some external research as well: Many, MANY animals exhibit bisexual and homosexual preferences.

Furthermore, even if it wasn't natural... that's irrelevent. Why people choose to be the way they are, and who they choose to love or who they love naturally is beyond jurisdiction. If this topic begins to fill to the brim with zealots and bigots, I'm not above posting my multi-page essay on the subject, including well-documented legal precedents.

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:44 pm

I'm against it why should we let the same gender date each other. I think it's wrong to see the same gender being together in life as partners. I did't hear the Bible talk about in the beginning of life about Adam and Steve. It's Adam and Eve, a man and a women. I guess it's because I was growing up with a mother and a father that loves each other very much. What kind of example are we setting for the future generations. It's very horrible to see a man with a man or a women with a women. I don't see animals with the same gender having sex with each other. I can't even think about that it's very gross.

Tangela · Post by **Tangela** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 12:51 pm

MickeyMousePal wrote:I'm against it why should we let the same gender date each other. I think it's wrong to see the same gender being together in life as partners. I did't hear the Bible talk about in the beginning of life about Adam and Steve. It's Adam and Eve, a man and a women. I guess it's because I was growing up with a mother and a father that loves each other very much. What kind of example are we setting for the future generations. It's very horrible to see a man with a man or a women with a women. I don't see animals with the same gender having sex with each other. I can't even think about that it's very gross.

That marks the end of our friendship, MickeyMousePal!!! By the way, it isn't good for you to watch animals having sex, let them have their privacy, for goodness' sake!

MickeyMousePal · Post by **MickeyMousePal** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:01 pm

Tangela Wrote:

That marks the end of our friendship, MickeyMousePal!!! By the way, it isn't good for you to watch animals having sex, let them have their privacy, for goodness' sake!

Hey, Tangela that is my opinion. I don't care if someone wants to be gay go right ahead. All I'm saying is I'm not a gay person. Oh, Tangela I didn't vote for The Rescuers.

Escapay · Post by **Escapay** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 1:41 pm

Didn't bother reading the other posts, just want to get my opinion out there:

It's not my life, it's not my business.

Escapay

Loomis · Post by **Loomis** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:10 pm

2099net wrote:Why do we have to be for or against? Why is everything these days either one or another?

Can't we just be neutral? (which is I suspect how most people will feel).

More to the point, why do we need to even pose this question in the year 2004?

I would like to think that we are all enlightened enough to just accept people for who they are, and not who they happen to sleep with.

I find this debate highly offensive, not only as a person who thinks and feels in a modern world, but as a bandwidth saver - we've had this debate twice before, and we KNOW who the bigots are.

STASHONE · Post by **STASHONE** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 5:08 pm

MickeyMousePal wrote:I did't hear the Bible talk about in the beginning of life about Adam and Steve.

It was right before God exiled them from the garden, how did you miss that?

Son of the Morning · Post by **Son of the Morning** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:02 pm

MickeyMousePal wrote:I did't hear the Bible talk about in the beginning of life about Adam and Steve.

So head over to Vatican city where that argument may be considered original or, uh, relevant to politics.

I guess it's because I was growing up with a mother and a father that loves each other very much.

This sort of slimeball, trash-talking rhetoric is abhorrent and genuinely discriminatory: The characterization of homosexuals and homosexual rights advocates as people who disagree with conservative ideology because they were raised in "shameful," non-Christian, or liberal households.

I come from a two-parent family, with absolutely NO record of conflict between my parents as long as I've been alive. I couldn't be more literal. They've never even yelled at each other. My family is Roman Catholic, and my mother, brother, and I are the only ones in my immediate family that support homosexual rights... leaving out, of course, my occasionally bigoted, conservative, religious father and sister who's too young to have a sincerely formed opinion.

Save for when I was... what, 12, 13... there have been no long-lasting familial disputes.

What kind of example are we setting for the future generations.

What, indeed! You can take your bigoted views and make them very well known, but in the long run, your children or your children's children will study this time period in history, and wonder if their parents or grandparents were in the part of the population who sought to prevent these people from achieving equality, much like people today wonder if their parents were segregationists.

It's very horrible to see a man with a man or a women with a women. I don't see animals with the same gender having sex with each other. I can't even think about that it's very gross.

Oh, the ever-powerful "ick" factor in the lowest common denominator in the population. Are you insinuating that I would like to see a man performing sex acts on another man? I think if I would stumble across that, I'd be sort of nauseated myself, and I'd stumble away, but that's none of my damned business, frankly. Then again, I think that coprophilia is "icky" too... f*ck knows I "can't even think about that," because it is indeed "very gross," but you know what the solution is? I don't think about it.

Maerj · Post by **Maerj** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:22 pm

Here's a thought about some of these new threads in Off Topic... how about less threads about people's real names and controversial topics and more Disney discussion? That IS why we're here, after all. Yes, I know this is off the Off Topic board but what's the point of joining a Disney message board if you don't really want to discuss the subject?

Son of the Morning · Post by **Son of the Morning** » Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:37 pm

Maerj wrote:Here's a thought about some of these new threads in Off Topic... how about less threads about people's real names and controversial topics and more Disney discussion? That IS why we're here, after all. Yes, I know this is off the Off Topic board but what's the point of joining a Disney message board if you don't really want to discuss the subject?

You know, I completely agree with that. We can get all into these topics elsewhere... I really joined these boards for "lighter" discussion, really.

MickeyMouseboy · Post by **MickeyMouseboy** » Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:59 pm

While I do believe you are born with homosexuality (as we're not perfect and our bodies as degrading and we have satan trying to take people astray) I don't hold any dislike or hate for people with this desire. God love them all but don't approve of their lifestyle. I too hold that believe at heart. As to their right everyone should have some rights to some benefits since everyone (gay,lesbian,bi, straight) person pay taxes I think everyone should be entitled to some kind of benefit even if it includes the same rights heterosexual people do. I think most people that are banning this rights are mostly religious hipocrites, they want to be seen as holy but their everyday lifes prove to be unholy so.... that's another MMBoy comment!

Kim Olav Svines · Post by **Kim Olav Svines** » Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:54 am

Even though I'm against homosexuality, I'm not the one who screams about this. After all, it's not my business what people do in their bedroom. But on the other hand I consider it immoral to act in such a way. I may not think and feel in a modern world (as someone else stated they was), because frankly the modern world in general (in lack of a better word) sucks!

If I should end up with children someday, I would not like them exposed to homosexuality, becuase of my moral views. I'm not religious, so this is the views I've concluded with, and homosexuality is another factor in the decay of society.

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