Why Disney's 2D animation means so much to me

[2Disney4Ever]

Just hear me out here, and I'll try to explain as best as I can.

I'm kind of an aspiring cartoonist and Disney animation was always the biggest part of my childhood. In fact one of my childhood dreams would have been to be an animator at Disney one day cause their work inspired me so much. But it was because of 2D animation that I loved Disney, not CGI. I really didn't have much interest in wanting to be a Pixar animator or wanting to work on CG movies like almost every animator today seems to have to do now. I wanted to be a 2D animator working on 2D films, and it was all because of Disney. They were the reason I value that art form so much. But now that doesn't seem possible, for obvious reasons, and if I still wanted to be an animator I would be forced to submit myself to a medium that I don't really care about that much. CG movies just don't inspire me like hand-drawn animation does.

Another reason it makes so much difference to me to still see great 2D movies being made is because, to be perfectly honest, I'm not exactly the best artist. I try my hardest to work on drawings and stuff for DeviantART, but I often struggle with it. That's one reason why I always looked up to Disney for spectacular hand-drawn animation when I may have trouble being that good on my own. But again, now I can't look up to them for that anymore cause the studio is just deciding that it wants to be done with all that. Disney has been giving me almost no reason to look up to them anymore as an animation studio. And please don't tell me that their CG movies are still a reason to be looking up to them, because I don't care about those. All those studios jumping on the CG bandwagon like DreamWorks have ruined my chances of really caring about CGI by aggressively pushing CG movies onto the market to the extent that they have over the years. Maybe I bought into their stuff before like Shrek, but now I just care about the neglected art rather than the medium that all these studios expect us to care about.

I hate today's Disney because they're not the same Disney that made me love 2D animation because of how much they loved it themselves. They just seem to be about something else entirely now.

[dvdjunkie]

I can understand totally your love of 2D Animation and that you feel left out now that most studios, including Disney have gone to the CG route. The main reason is the cost of making a 2D as opposed to the CG. Where it once took 10 to 15 animators to work on a 2D animated film, they can do the same work with just five or six.

The cost of 2D animation is so high that they would have to raise ticket prices at the theater, which are already sky high, in my opinion.

Disney is already hard enough to deal with when it comes to film rental to first and second run movie theaters. Ask a manager some time and he will probably just shake his head and turn around.

As a former theater owner I can tell you that Disney is still, to this day, renting their movies to theaters by the number of seats they have, not number of tickets sold, like the other studios. This is unfair all the way around, and if Disney could come around to being a little bit easier to deal with when it comes to their animated product, we might just see a 2D animated film every couple of years. But things have to change drastically for this to happen.

With that said, we all need to watch the original canon of Disney animated features whenever possible to keep our love of 2D animation in our brains, and just hope some day that things might change. But we need to all understand that until everyone quits going to the movies and quits supporting all the CG animated films out there, we will never get to see a 2D animated film.

[2Disney4Ever]

But we need to all understand that until everyone quits going to the movies and quits supporting all the CG animated films out there, we will never get to see a 2D animated film.

Well if that's the case, then maybe everyone here should quit supporting them. That really is the kind of the logic I always run on whenever I have big arguments with other "Disney fans" over their current movies, and honestly, this is not the only Disney related place where I've had these issues. I've already been banned before from places like Disney Screencaps, the Disney Wiki, and one Disney group on DeviantART, and it's always been for the same reason. It's because I didn't agree with so many people being supportive of Disney making CG movies. And yet, I don't know why it has to be that way now, cause I do love Disney, but it's just not today's Disney. The Disney I love is the old 2D one.

[Musical Master]

I've always been a fan of both 2-D and CG animation for they are just different tools to tell a story in an animated film, and the CG Disney films after Tangled were improving on the the time spent on CG, which I believe will get better and better as each movie goes on. Don't get me wrong, I love 2-D Disney and always will, it will return someday, we just need to be patient and let time and fate decide.

[ajmrowland]

I've always loved all kinds of animation myself, and cannot see why one may only choose one or two mediums to be a fan of. I think hand drawn making a comeback is a must, especially since other countries still do it. I can practically feel the artistry oozing from stop-motion, and I have a great appreciation for the amount of work that goes into every CGI film. multimedium films are also a real treat to watch.

[carolinakid]

The Walt Disney canon (Snow White through The Jungle Book) will always be my favorite animated films. I can enjoy the non-Walt features and the CGI features and I do, but I will never love them the way I do Walt's originals. I agree with the OP that the Disney of today is no longer the Walt Disney that I love. Theme parks included in this also.

[Disney's Divinity]

I share your preference for 2D, but I'm able to enjoy 3D films when I like characters/stories featured (even if I think they would be 3 to 10X better if they were hand-drawn, like Frozen... Some of the basic drawings for Flynn and Rapunzel looked better than anything in Tangled, too.). I just don't care for 3D in general; it's more like a less organic version of live-action. I'd rather watch stop-motion, but even those are 3D now... To be honest, many good things about animation in general are dead now.

This isn't meant as an insult, but bringing up the fact that hand-drawn animation is better and/or (unfairly) dead in every thread won't change anything. People on most forums probably wouldn't have a problem with you if you could talk about more things than just that. Talking about this forum specificially, if you just saved it for the "Is Hand-Drawn Animation Dead?" thread and stayed on-topic in other threads, nobody would care.

[disneyphilip]

I agree with the OP that the Disney of today is no longer the Walt Disney that I love. Theme parks included in this also.

You and the OP are DEAD WRONG! The Disney od today IS the Walt Disney that you love, including the theme parks!

[2Disney4Ever]

I agree with the OP that the Disney of today is no longer the Walt Disney that I love. Theme parks included in this also.

You and the OP are DEAD WRONG! The Disney od today IS the Walt Disney that you love, including the theme parks!

Anyone who says that Disney is not the same anymore deserves to be made into two-by-fours!

Excuse me, but that is what I honestly believe about the Disney of today, and I do NOT love what they're doing anymore! I don't appreciate you coming into my own topic to insult me and tell me off for being wrong. I know what I think and I don't need you telling me otherwise. People like you are not even worth my time arguing with, which is exactly why I blocked you on DeviantART.

[thedisneyspirit]

Sometimes I think TsWade, Disneyphilip and 2Disney are the same person-

[2Disney4Ever]

Sometimes I think TsWade, Disneyphilip and 2Disney are the same person-

Honestly, I think Disneyphilip probably complains worse than I do.

[moviefan12]

I agree with Disney's Divinity, there is nothing wrong with loving 2D animation but you don't need to bring in every thread you post in. It gets tiresome after a while.

[2Disney4Ever]

I agree with Disney's Divinity, there is nothing wrong with loving 2D animation but you don't need to bring in every thread you post in. It gets tiresome after a while.

Well you know, it's very easy for me to always talk about 2D animation when I talk about Disney, because that's what Disney has always been to me.

[The_Iceflash]

I agree with the OP that the Disney of today is no longer the Walt Disney that I love. Theme parks included in this also.

You and the OP are DEAD WRONG! The Disney od today IS the Walt Disney that you love, including the theme parks!

Especially the theme parks.

[2Disney4Ever]

You and the OP are DEAD WRONG! The Disney od today IS the Walt Disney that you love, including the theme parks!

Especially the theme parks.

Not really, because now I won't be able to go to their parks without seeing characters/shows/attractions from those CG movies advertised everywhere.

[The_Iceflash]

Not really, because now I won't be able to go to their parks without seeing characters/shows/attractions from those CG movies advertised everywhere.

I was just there a couple of weeks ago and I assure you, except for a few exceptions (like the Hollywood Studios Frozen show, new Princess meet and greet area, some gift shop merchandise, etc) their CG films really aren't shoved in your face. It never even crossed my mind. Most of the characters, shows, and attractions (even the newest attraction "Snow White Mine Train") are all about the 2D ones. There is nothing not to love about Walt Disney World today. It's still the "Happiest Place on Earth". If you haven't been there in years, the new "Wishes" light and fireworks show at the Magic Kingdom will have you in tears it was so good!

[ajmrowland]

It's kind of like Star Wars or Marvel. Everyone knows they're a Disney property, but they're not gonna be literally all over the parks.

[TsWade2]

Sometimes I think TsWade, Disneyphilip and 2Disney are the same person-

Leave me out of this. I'm trying to control my behavior as much as I can.