Would you have preferred Brother Bear as the "last" Classic?

[DC Fan]

Ran out of space on the title.

The question is: ¿Would you have preferred Brother Bear to be the last traditional animated Classic or Home on the Range was the right choice?

For me it´s easy: I HATE HOME ON THE RANGE.

I liked Brother Bear much more. I´ve seen it recently and I can see it´s flaws so it is not THAT good. Still, I would have much preferred BB to be the last Classic and not the horrible Home on the Range.

[Warm Regards]

You mean, which should have been the last 2D film before the switch to CG took place?

In that case, undoubtedly Brother Bear.

I wouldn't go as far as to call Home on the Range "horrible", but the audience it reaches, intentional or not, seriously bothers me.

I remember reading a comment on youtube that sums up my thoughts pretty well:

I sorta liked this one just for what a simple, uncomplicated mess it was. But what pissed me off most about it was supposed to be Disney's last and final 2D movie before permanently converting to CGI animation. Instead of one last hurrah, grand finale, they went with this. Maybe they were trying to prove no one bought 2D animation anymore or what, but MAN...it's like saying "**** you" as an eulogy to your grandfather's funeral.

Brother Bear, as flawed and cliched as it is, had a narrative that reached a broader audience.

[DC Fan]

You mean, which should have been the last 2D film before the switch to CG took place?

Yes.

And I think the same way as that comment.

The last Classics were flawed yes. But Home on the Range was the worst/weakest of them all.

So, as to chose it to be the last to me it was like Disney tried to prove the reason for they´re failure was that nobody cared for traditional animation.

[disneyftw1]

Wait, so... "Princess/Frog" can't be considered the "last" classic? ... 'cause I don't see that in "Brother Bear". ... and who the hell would consider "Home/Range" "last" classic? Not trying to be rude, but that'd be just embarrassing.
... or could I consider "The Little Matchgirl" the "last" classic? Those 6 minutes, man... Even if it's not considered a film... Right in my feels.

[Kyle]

I really don't get caught up in these pointless labels. As far as I'm concerned brother bear was the last good hand drawn film before they went 3D. Doesn't matter what they want to market things as. On a similar note I don't consider anything made in the last 10 years a classic. Classics don't become classic until its proven decades later to still have a lot of appeal despite its age. The word kinda looses meaning when you start calling a movie that hasn't even left theaters "classic". which people were jumping to do during tangled and princess and the frog's run. No matter how good you think a movie is, let the excitement die down a bit first, let it simmer. Then revisit the question of whether you consider it a classic.

[frankf3]

I really don't get caught up in these pointless labels. As far as I'm concerned brother bear was the last good hand drawn film before they went 3D. Doesn't matter what they want to market things as. On a similar note I don't consider anything made in the last 10 years a classic. Classics don't become classic until its proven decades later to still have a lot of appeal despite its age. The word kinda looses meaning when you start calling a movie that hasn't even left theaters "classic". which people were jumping to do during tangled and princess and the frog's run. No matter how good you think a movie is, let the excitement die down a bit first, let it simmer. Then revisit the question of whether you consider it a classic.

I think Lilo and Stitch could be considered a "classic" considering the sequels, tv series, merchandise, etc. Stitch is still a very popular Disney character.

[271286]

Oh would people stop all the hate for Home on the Range... It's not worse than any of the 70's/80's movies up until TLM...

[DisneyFan09]

Oh would people stop all the hate for Home on the Range... It's not worse than any of the 70's/80's movies up until TLM...

I agree. Although it's been a while since I saw it, I've never understood the huge hate for it. It's not marvellous, but I enjoyed it and thought it was a fun, watchable picture. Back then, I thought it was a better choice for the "last" animated classic than "Brother Bear", which dissapointed me back then with a not so compelling story and heavy-handed moral.

I shall confess that I have a greater appreciation for "Brother Bear" now. It's a very preachy and flawed movie, but it does have it's moments (good animation, a nice score, an epic feel to it).

[DisneyJedi]

Oh would people stop all the hate for Home on the Range... It's not worse than any of the 70's/80's movies up until TLM...

How dare you? I love their movies from those decades.

[ianwahlers]

Doesn't Winnie the Pooh count as the last?

[DC Fan]

Classic is just the name of the Disney animated line.

That´s just it. You don´t have to go deeper than that.

As far, as which movies are or aren´t "classics". To me, as bad as they are (including Home on the Range here) they´re all classics for several reasons.

1. The quality that goes into them.

2. World wide known.

3. Movies that several generation of people had enjoyed by themselves, shared with new generations that will eventually do the same.

4. They are beloved.

These are just few of the reasons.

But truly, how many other animated movies out there you can say the same about?

Does Shark Tale share these characteristics?

I love The Last Unicorn and The Secret of NIMH...but, how well are they known outside of my generation?

[Atlantica]

Isn't the Princess and the Frog the last hand drawn animated classic ?

[DC Fan]

Isn't the Princess and the Frog the last hand drawn animated classic ?

It had to be Winnie Pooh.

I was talking about when Disney moved to 3D and said they weren´t going to make any more hand drawn animation.

[thedisneyspirit]

Meh, Chicken and Bear are both mediocre. Bears tries so hard to be serious/"classic" worthy but it fails...

And Chicken Little is just pure laziness.

[Semaj]

Interestingly, Brother Bear was scheduled to be the last hand-drawn feature. It was the last of Disney's Florida features. Production problems with Home on the Range forced that film to be switched with Brother Bear instead.

[Mooky]

Interestingly, Brother Bear was scheduled to be the last hand-drawn feature. It was the last of Disney's Florida features. Production problems with Home on the Range forced that film to be switched with Brother Bear instead.

Actually...

Contrary to rumor, Walt Disney Feature Animation's decision to swap the release dates of Home on the Range and Bears* was not made because Home on the Range is still bedeviled with story problems, according to Jim Hill Media. But rather, because Disney thought that they saw a [sic] primo promotional opportunity for Bears in Fall 2003 with the upcoming release of the Platinum edition of The Lion King. See if you can follow this logic: Disney reportedly feels that it will be very easy to sell people on the idea of going out to their local theater to see Bears this coming November if they just tack a trailer for that film onto every copy of the home video and DVD version of The Lion King. Evidently, the thinking in Burbank seems to be: "Hey, if people liked The Lion King enough to buy the Platinum Edition of that film, they're the perfect target audience for Bears. So let's strike while the iron is hot."

*Bears: Brother Bear's working title

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200306211040 ... rBear.html

[thedisneyspirit]

Interestingly, Brother Bear was scheduled to be the last hand-drawn feature. It was the last of Disney's Florida features. Production problems with Home on the Range forced that film to be switched with Brother Bear instead.

Actually...

Contrary to rumor, Walt Disney Feature Animation's decision to swap the release dates of Home on the Range and Bears* was not made because Home on the Range is still bedeviled with story problems, according to Jim Hill Media. But rather, because Disney thought that they saw a [sic] primo promotional opportunity for Bears in Fall 2003 with the upcoming release of the Platinum edition of The Lion King. See if you can follow this logic: Disney reportedly feels that it will be very easy to sell people on the idea of going out to their local theater to see Bears this coming November if they just tack a trailer for that film onto every copy of the home video and DVD version of The Lion King. Evidently, the thinking in Burbank seems to be: "Hey, if people liked The Lion King enough to buy the Platinum Edition of that film, they're the perfect target audience for Bears. So let's strike while the iron is hot."

*Bears: Brother Bear's working title

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200306211040 ... rBear.html

Bears...So my last post wasn't a typo.

This type of reasoning is beyond logic. Uuugh I just remembered those two moses who tried to be all Timon and Pumba-like but there were references to cars in this film and...uh this just seems bad.

[Atlantica]

Personally, I would have preferred Lilo and Stitch to be the last .... beats the pants off Home and Brother.

[Mooky]

Actually...
*Bears: Brother Bear's working title

Source: http://web.archive.org/web/200306211040 ... rBear.html

Bears...So my last post wasn't a typo.

This type of reasoning is beyond logic. Uuugh I just remembered those two moses who tried to be all Timon and Pumba-like but there were references to cars in this film and...uh this just seems bad.

Lol, I didn't even notice it.

I can actually understand the rationale behind the decision given how both of the films are about animals and deal with some weighty themes. It's a superficial reasoning (thematically, Brother Bear has more in common with Beauty and the Beast), but I get the marketing appeal. However, from what I remember from when BB was originally released and internet sites I frequented back then, general impressions were that people who liked BB absolutely disliked TLK and vice versa. I guess Disney's strategy didn't really work out, huh?

[Atlantica]

So funny - I asked my mother what she thought the last animated classic was, and she said 'Tangled'. I was like no mum, I mean hand drawn. She then said "Oh right ... well that really boring Frog one ?" No mum again, I mean like Brother Bear, Home on the Range etc .... she was like 'What? I have never heard of these movies?"

And my mum is pretty in to her movies and stuff - these have totally passed her by ! Having two kids, she knows her Disney - interesting how they have kind of disappeared. I know my mum isn't the template for the whole general public, but still, thought it was interesting.