Disney Home Video Bumpers - Discussion

[drfsupercenter]

Alright, as one of my projects I've been collecting Walt Disney Home Video (and Home Entertainment) bumpers from videos. I am going to make a repository of these so people can download them.

I'm going to list off which ones I am aware of, and if I'm missing any, I'd love for someone here to let me know. I also need help obtaining some of these - for the earlier ones, laserdisc would be much preferred to VHS, if anyone knows which ones to buy.

In order:

Neon Mickey (first variant):

Thanks to Gabrielkat's suggestion, I bought a laserdisc of At Home with Donald Duck. But my friend who has a laserdisc player (UD forum name mollyzkoubou) said it was really awful looking and didn't even bother to record it. Any idea which other laserdiscs would have this, and wouldn't rot horribly due to age?

Edit: So I just looked up all the DiscoVision releases (essentially what LaserDisc was called in the 70s before being called LaserDisc), and they all suffer from laser rot among other problems due to how old they are and how early the technology was. I even saw a YouTube video of a transfer of one of the other DiscoVision Disney releases, and it had that same problem. Granted, it's probably better than a VHS - it just suffers from a lot of noise and grain due to the rot. I suppose I can try to get that restored, even if it means editing each frame in a photo editor to remove the grain.

To my knowledge, all of the "laserdisc" releases have, at earliest, the second variant of the Neon Mickey - the only ones with first variant are called DiscoVision.

Neon Mickey (second variant):

I obtained this one from a VHS, but the quality is awful due to age. I believe it was from The Black Hole, and given how badly that movie did, I'd be willing to guess that nobody even checked that tape out in 20+ years. A friend of mine tried to "restore" it but failed, hence the blurriness. Anyone know any confirmed laserdiscs that this is on that don't have the laser rot problem?

Spinning Diamond:
I don't have this one at all. I rented a few VHS tapes, but they were all awful so I didn't rip them. Supposedly one of the Lady and the Tramp lasers that mollyzkoubou has has that bumper, but again, it's quite bad quality (maybe someone knows of a CAV set with it, rather than CLV?)
Edit: Never mind... we have it. The laserdisc we've got is the CAV version of Lady and the Tramp, so I think that will work - I just don't have a recording on-hand to get a decent 480p screenshot. Stay tuned.

Walt Disney Home Video '86:

Perhaps the most famous of all of them. I got this one from a DVD. Not sure whether intentional or not, it appeared at the start of Sing-Along-Songs: You Can Fly! on DVD (literally looks like they took a VHS/laserdisc and digitized it, leaving the bumper intact)

Still not the best quality in the world, but at least it's digital-sourced. I doubt anyone has a better one?

Classics Diamond (1988 Variant):





Found, of course, only on the Cinderella VHS and laserdisc from 1988. Mollyzkoubou has that laserdisc, this is his rip of it using a DVD recorder. Hopefully we can get a better recording of this soon (along with any other LD-sourced stuff) - somebody from the OriginalTrilogy forums has an X9 laserdisc player and a capture card that can record in raw, so we can get basically the best possible rip in the world with that.

Classics Diamond (1989 Variant):

The most easily obtained of these - this particular cap is from a VHS, though. I know mollyzkoubou has it on at least the Beauty and the Beast laserdisc, but we don't have the recording of that anymore. But as usual, anyone know the best-looking laserdisc to get this from?

Classics Diamond (1992 Variant):

Arguably not a real variant - as it only appears on VHS. Quite possibly just the 1989 variant that got screwed up 3 years later and pressed onto a whole bunch of tapes before it was retired. But either way, has overly-bassheavy audio, much bluer video, and from the looks of it, also a bit crooked. I've got this on Aladdin plus one other VHS tape, and I'm not sure how many different ones were released. Am I correct in saying it doesn't appear on any laserdisc?

Masterpiece Collection:

This one comes from Lady and the Tramp (academy ratio) laserdisc. I know it's also on The Lion King (CAV, so a better choice) and 1995 Cinderella. Again I'm not sure which source is the best quality... this one appears to have an animation goof, as soon as the purple frame appears around the words it shifts on the screen ever so slightly - I thought it was a VHS tracking goof at first but the laserdisc has it too.

Gold Classic(s) Collection:

This one seems to be quite rare... I have loads of GCC-series tapes, and only one of them has this bumper. The quality is awful, sadly, so it's not very useful, but again it's the only one I can find. Anyone have any info on this?
I've also got a little-over-a-minute "preview" of the GCC lineup, that's on at least one of the DVDs as well as the VHS tapes.

Edit: According to a YouTube video I just saw, The Rescuers Down Under is one of the VHS tapes with this bumper (I don't own that movie, so I took it from a different title). I might rent the DVD and see if it has this one - if not, I can probably buy a brand new shrinkwrapped copy, to at least get a better transfer than my worn tape.

This appears to be some sort of a beta bumper, as all the rest of my Gold Classics tapes, as well as their DVD counterparts, have this next one -

"Boring Gold":

Just a quick 7-second fanfare with this logo, hence calling it boring. The above Gold Classic bumper was also 7 seconds with the same fanfare.
This one's on loads of DVDs so I should be set with this.

"Boring Gold" variants:

I believe this one is from "Man of the House" on VHS. Crappy quality again (see the background is fading), but it's ONLY on that tape, the rest have the standard black background. Mollyzkoubou claims to have seen a green background as well. I would love more info about these color variants and where they can be found. Laserdisc Database lists Man of the House as existing on a CLV laserdisc, but it's widescreen, unlike the VHS. I'd spend 8 bucks on it if anyone can confirm that it has that same blue-background Boring Gold.

Edit: When I say "only", I mean of my VHS collection it's the only one. I've looked around YouTube and seen some others tapes with the blue one too, I just don't own any of those. Question still stands, anyone know of a laserdisc (or even better, a DVD?) that has the blue one?

Now we get into the DVD realm, the Gold Classics and the Boring Golds being the only one that was cross-format between analog and digital.

"Black Ring":

I am inclined to say that this is the first one, but I may be wrong. Also, I like how they went BACK to Home Entertainment, like in the 70s.

"Blue Ring":

I believe this one came after, but simply because of this variant:

"Blue Ring" (Widescreen):

Same as above, but anamorphic (I made it smaller for display purposes)

I also have a Blue Ring variant with different music, which was from the English/Russian "set 2" of Chip and Dale Rescue Rangers (Why Russian of all languages? The DVDs are NTSC, so you'd think it would have English/Spanish/French, not English/Russian. They may be bootlegs, or foreign, I got them from a friend)

At the same time, we have these, with their stupid music that won't get out of my head...

Disney DVD (version 1):


Disney DVD (newer version 2):

I like the still frame at the end better, but the animation sucks compared to the first one IMO.

Disney DVD (3D Castle, variant 3?):

Yes, this is non-anamorphic letterbox, shame on you Disney! I'm not sure if this counts as a Disney DVD variant, but some newer discs I've seen (this comes from the Have a Laugh series) have it in place of a Ring/Disney DVD bumper.

I also have some interesting random ones that I can't place time-wise:

The original 3D Castle:

I believe I took this from whichever Pirates of the Caribbean movie had it as an intro. I'm not really sure if this counts as a "bumper" or not, it's the new equivalent of the 1985 Blue Castle - I'd also have to include the early 2000s orange transitional-colored castle too that movies like National Treasure and Tuck Everlasting (as well as that horrible, horrible release of The Lion King) used if I count the 3D castle... what do you guys think?

Buena Vista Home Entertainment:

Found on some PAL discs, instead of the Blue or Black Ring. Probably due to international marketing and using the Buena Vista moniker instead of Disney.

And this last one is truly odd...

Disney Videos:

I don't know WHAT this thing is... it's on the international region 2 release of Inspector Gadget, which I imported due to the region 1 DVD being non-anamorphic. I seem to recall seeing it on some other PAL discs as well.

So that's my collection so far. I know I'm missing good-quality sources of both Neon Mickey variants as well as the Spinning Diamond... am I missing any bumpers altogether? And like I said above, I would love if any of you collectors can tell me which sources you think are best for the analog-sourced stuff, since there's obviously more than one thing with each. Thanks.

[drfsupercenter]

Oh also, I'm not counting Blu-Ray stuff, just because it's still current. I think I'll end my collection with the last of the DVD-era things, which for now appear to be the same as what I already have.

[TheValentineBros]

Oh the memories. I also am gonna link to you stuff from the Disney VHS library that my friend on YouTube, MaxGoesFourth, has uploaded.

[drfsupercenter]

Well that's interesting. Looking at Laserdisc Database, it seems like all of the LDs released in the early 80s were CLV, rather than CAV. I was under the impression that CAV was the original format for laserdiscs and that CLV came later... am I wrong?

I also notice that The Black Hole (which is the VHS tape I got the Neon Mickey from) is listed as being the first laserdisc Disney released, in a CLV pan-and-scan format... is it safe to assume that I can get the same bumper from the laserdisc counterpart? This is the disc in question.

Also, what sort of bumpers would these "Cartoon Classics" releases have? See here.

Update:

Just ordered "Gordy" laserdisc for 5 bucks - the VHS has this interesting variation of the Boring Gold:


Awful quality cam-rip I know, but that's from the VHS at least. Hoping the laserdisc will have the same.

[Semaj]

This was the first of the Black Diamond series (1984)



Originally, Disney had designated some of their animated features as part of an "Untouchables" list, where they were never to be released in their entirety on TV or video, but only in periodic theatrical releases, as it had been for decades. They knew early on that video exposure would lessen the movies' value in theatrical form. (Alice in Wonderland and Dumbo were among the first features to make it to video, having been in "second tier" status for so long.)

However, after the management overhaul of 1984, the "Untouchables" status mostly vanished. The Disney films released on video with this diamond logo were Robin Hood (1984), Pinocchio, Alice in Wonderland, Dumbo (1985), The Sword in the Stone, Sleeping Beauty (1986), and Lady and the Tramp (1987).

While this particular logo was retired in 1988, it still survived on some labels for future VHS releases. (In accordance to the theatrical value theory, it was proven valid when Pinocchio's 1992 re-release made less money than its 1984 re-release.)

[drfsupercenter]

Hey, finally some actual informative stuff, I appreciate it!

So, my friend has the 1987 Lady and the Tramp laserdisc, it's the CAV edition so it'll be better quality - and it has that Spinning Diamond bumper. I suppose we're set on that regard, unless you think Pinocchio would look better?
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/41843/239 ... %281940%29

I didn't check some of the later ones, but Sword In the Stone and Robin Hood are both CLV only until the Masterpiece Collection releases. Lady and the Tramp's pan-and-scan release had both formats.

While this particular logo was retired in 1988, it still survived on some labels for future VHS releases. (In accordance to the theatrical value theory, it was proven valid when Pinocchio's 1992 re-release made less money than its 1984 re-release.)

You sure about that? I've got both Pinocchio and Fantasia from the early 90s (I thin Fantasia was 1991 and I'll take your word for it that Pinocchio is 1992) on VHS, and I'm pretty sure both of those had the 1986 Walt Disney Home Video bumper, rather than "The Classics" in any form.


On that note - I know I've seen a "Walt Disney Home Video Presents" bumper, similar to the picture I showed but with the 1986 music - I think it was on one of the Sing Along Songs volumes on VHS. Does anybody know what other releases this would appear on? It's quite a bit rarer than the normal one I would assume.

[TheValentineBros]

Do you have the Feature Presentation logos on VHS or Laserdiscs?

[drfsupercenter]

Yeah, I've got loads of those, I didn't really consider them as true bumpers.

[drfsupercenter]

Woah.

I just found this on my hard drive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyFD2n_VQnA

I believe I got it from the guy who uploaded a lower-resolution transfer of this to YouTube - he sent me his master VOB recording, if I remember correctly.

It's still incomplete (missing the beginning) and looks really awful. Anyone have any more information as to what this is actually from? Was it exclusive to TV or ever released on any videotapes?

I also found this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG-yZPJcxIo
Not sure if it's related or not.

[Semaj]

You sure about that? I've got both Pinocchio and Fantasia from the early 90s (I thin Fantasia was 1991 and I'll take your word for it that Pinocchio is 1992) on VHS, and I'm pretty sure both of those had the 1986 Walt Disney Home Video bumper, rather than "The Classics" in any form.

I meant the theatrical re-releases. June 1992 was the last time Pinocchio was theatrically re-released, which made less money than its December 1984 re-release, because of its July 1985 VHS premiere. (I know from when my family still had our 1985 copy when Pinocchio was re-circulated).

Also, I might be misremembering, but some videos, like The Little Mermaid's 1990 VHS debut had the 1984 diamond on the cassette label despite using the 1988 diamond on the actual video.

Anyone have any more information as to what this is actually from? Was it exclusive to TV or ever released on any videotapes?

That was the anthology series intro from 1981-1983. It was reused when aired on The Disney Channel as "Walt Disney Presents", and it was used as a home video intro in international markets.

[drfsupercenter]

Ah, OK.

I'm not sure about The Little Mermaid, as the edition I have is a later print, I believe the golden Masterpiece version, since we got it around the same time as The Lion King.

There were all sorts of goofs - according to a series of YouTube videos I just watched today, there were some goofs in the Robin Hood releases that had the 1988 metal diamond, despite the fact that it should have had the 1989 one. I guess that's what happens when you're using an analog medium and trying to push out millions of copies, your masters might get mixed up down the line

(Isn't that what most people think caused the 1992 diamond in the first place? The fact that it never appeared on laserdisc, but only on VHS (were they still making betamax tapes in 1992?) would strongly support the theory that their master wore down and became distorted - hence earlier ones like 101 Dalmatians having the regular audio but a slightly discolored video, and later ones like Aladdin having both distorted audio and video)

That was the anthology series intro from 1981-1983. It was reused when aired on The Disney Channel as "Walt Disney Presents", and it was used as a home video intro in international markets.

Ooh. You've intrigued me now. You're saying that intro does exist on video somewhere in the world? (And I don't mean people who recorded it off TV)

When you say international markets - which countries specifically? Do you happen to know any tapes that it is on for sure? I would love to get a proper copy of that ripped, I'm sure the entire community would appreciate it, and I must satisfy my curiosity.

(On the very off chance, would it have been on any laserdisc releases? Those have twice the scan lines as VHS so I'm trying to source all my stuff from laserdisc if at all possible!)

[Semaj]

Ooh. You've intrigued me now. You're saying that intro does exist on video somewhere in the world? (And I don't mean people who recorded it off TV)

When you say international markets - which countries specifically? Do you happen to know any tapes that it is on for sure? I would love to get a proper copy of that ripped, I'm sure the entire community would appreciate it, and I must satisfy my curiosity.

It was mostly European and Australian markets.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAUiigz6BAc[/youtube]

[my chicken is infected]

Nostalgia. *sniff*

That same logo from the You Can Fly DVD is also on the DVD of Rodgers And Hammerstein's Cinderella with Brandy and Whitney Houston.

[drfsupercenter]

It was mostly European and Australian markets.

Ah, OK. Any idea what specific releases have it, so I can look into getting a copy? I notice that one is sped up (typical of PAL tapes), so it should be easy to restore... sadly the problem is finding someone with a PAL VCR then.

That same logo from the You Can Fly DVD is also on the DVD of Rodgers And Hammerstein's Cinderella with Brandy and Whitney Houston

Thanks for letting me know! I'll track down a copy of that one too!

[TheValentineBros]

BUMP!

Do you by any chance have some logos from Buena Vista Home Video/Touchstone Home Video/Hollywood Home Video?

[Cheshire_Cat]

What about the bumper with the not-so-detailed castle that was used in the '90s?



This one appeared on The Lion King 1995 VHS.

[drfsupercenter]

Sorry for the late reply.

Yes, I have some Buena Vista, Miramax and Hollywood Video ones. Not sure about Touchstone, I will check when I get home.

I don't really consider the 1985 blue castle as a "bumper", because it's the actual start to most of those movies. Until Disney retro-actively "plastered" it onto their earlier films, the ones that originally just started with "Buena Vista Presents" or a RKO Radio Pictures screen. Nothing before The Black Cauldron should have ever had one of those blue castle (or even worse, the 3D castle like the new 101 Dalmatians DVD - that just looks WRONG given the age of the movie!!)

Interesting, I have the Lion King VHS, and don't remember seeing that. I think mine just had the standard Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection bumper. Or is that during a preview or something, not by itself?

--EDIT--

Oh, and both Gordy on VHS (my local library had an unopened copy for 25 cents ) and laserdisc have what my friend calls a "boring silver", it's the same music and art as the "boring gold", but is bright silver colored instead of gold. And it also has "presents" below the Walt Disney Home Video. Really weird, I wonder if their color mixer got screwed up for that release.