Miley Cyrus- Can't Be Tamed

[AladdinFan]

Any Miley Cyrus fan? Well I'm not a fan of her but the song is catchy. Antonina Armato and Tim James are the producer who also produced songs for Aly & Aj, Vanessa Hudgens, Selena Gomez & the Scene, and Jesse McCartney. The music video premiere today on E!. Her new album comes out June 22, 2010.

Here's the video:

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[blackcauldron85]

I just posted about this in the Hannah Montana thread- I didn't see that you had made this...

I love it. I think it's a great direction for Miley to go in. I mean, for those who say that she's getting too skanky too fast, her mom was on the set, and she's 17 years old...I don't see anything wrong with the music or the video. I think it's great, and I can't wait for the album!

[Scarred4life]

^You make some excellent points, that I've never really thought about before. She is 17, and her songs aren't all that skanky, at least not for her age. I guess I've always thought of her as the artist my little sister runs around the house singing. And although I wouldn't want my sister singing this song, it's something that can't be helped, and my sister wouldn't really understand the meaning anyway.

[AladdinFan]

I just posted about this in the Hannah Montana thread- I didn't see that you had made this...

I love it. I think it's a great direction for Miley to go in. I mean, for those who say that she's getting too skanky too fast, her mom was on the set, and she's 17 years old...I don't see anything wrong with the music or the video. I think it's great, and I can't wait for the album!

Agreed. People are still thinking she should be making Disney music. She is going to be 18 this November and I think Miley just wants to make music for her age group and young adults. I saw the music video yesterday and it's awesome.

[Goliath]

I'll repeat what I said in the 'Forum vs Hannah Montana'-thread. I would appreciate it if ýou all wouldn't directly go in the 'Miley-fangirl' mode when/if you respond, but instead adress the points I make on their substance.

As a man, I think it's sad to see one woman praising another woman for being sexualized for fame and money.

Look, the only reason why girls like Miley Cyrus go the route of sexy outfits, kinky positions, and provocative lyrical/video content, is because they can't sing. It happened to Britney Spears before her, and then Lindsay Lohan and God knows how many other (formerly) teen stars: eventually they discover that the kiddies aren't going to buy their records forever, because they grow up and realize they (the teen stars) don't have any talent. So what do you do when you can't hold the attention of the audience with your music? You go 'adult' and you put out!

Female artists who can really sing and perform and who have a genuine talent, don't have to use their bodies to gain attention.

I am by no means prudish or a puritan (that's something all people on this forum can attest to), but I think it's an unhealthy message we're giving young girls nowadays: "if you want to be a grown up; if you want to be taken seriously; if you want to be treated like an adult, you have to sell your body." If Miley *really* wanted to be taken seriously and let go of her 'girly' image, she could have considered making mature music. Doing away with the childish lyrics and cheap pop tunes. *That* would have shown growth. But no, she's putting out, like all the bimbo's before her.

*Yawn* In a year or two, she'll have crashed, been burn out and been forgotten.

[Scarred4life]

*Yawn* In a year or two, she'll have crashed, been burn out and been forgotten.

That day can't come soon enough.

I completely agree with everything you said. I hate how 'growing up' is all about putting out. Apparently, being a skank shows maturity. I don't think she's entirely at fault, everyone is used to hearing songs like these on the radio. It's normal to 'put out' at her age, and make songs like this. But, if she wants to create this negative image of herself, she is at perfect liberty to do so.

[Lazario]

I think maybe her best move would have been more country-infused rock. This somehow feels almost like a Lohan "Rumors" era kind of thing. Gritty club music? Ick. Lady Gaga has refined the genre too much and now all the new acts just come off like wannabes of others. This applies to Aguilera as well who was really onto something years ago with "Candyman" but now can't be bothered to try something new.

[katemonster]

I enjoyed this song and direction that this video is going in. I am curious to see how the rest of her album pans out to sound like...

[Elladorine]

I'm not a huge Miley fan, but I don't have anything against her either. The song is catchy at least. But personally, I think she's better suited to a more country-infused sound (as Laz pointed out) instead of the Britney vibe she seems to have going on here. On the same note, I feel the same way about Miley songs vs. Hannah songs, the Miley ones just tend to suit her better.

[Goliath]

I completely agree with everything you said. I hate how 'growing up' is all about putting out. Apparently, being a skank shows maturity. I don't think she's entirely at fault, everyone is used to hearing songs like these on the radio. It's normal to 'put out' at her age, and make songs like this. But, if she wants to create this negative image of herself, she is at perfect liberty to do so.

I think a lot of the 'blame' can be put with the parents, especially her father, who will do anything to make money out of his daughters, or so it seems. But even he can be 'excused' to some degree, as it is 'society' as a whole which encourages this kind of behaviour.

Like I said in the other thread, I'll never tell a woman how to dress or how to behave. That's her own choice and I would never fault her for that. Some people even see it as empowering, because, they say, it's really the women who decide when and how to dres provocatively, and they decide what to do with their bodies. I'm not saying they're wrong and I'm right. They make a good case. I'm just not agreeing. I see Miley in that clip and all I can think of is that brilliant videoclip 'Stupid Girls' by Pink. Do you know that clip?

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Oh my God! It's even better than I remembered! This one clip, these 3 minutes sum up everything I want to say!

[Scarred4life]

^Oh my God! How could I have missed a song like that! You're right, it completely sums up how I feel about this topic.
It reminds me of this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei6JvK0W60I

[Disney Duster]

I think I agreed with everything Goliath said in this thread.

And I like that Pink video, but...if a girl plays football, she's smart? So all those football jocks are...smart?

No. I understand the point may be that girl's that do what they want, go after their ambitions, and aren't following, are smart, but showing it just by grabbing a football...isn't really showing it.

Oh, and Miley's video was kinda a good song and artistic idea. I just wish we could actually hear her real voice really singing, since she actually has a good voice and can sing.

Her song's message is not a bad one, it's about her having the freedom to be who she is. It's only if the message is also telling us that who she is is a skank that may be bad...!

[Goliath]

^Oh my God! How could I have missed a song like that! You're right, it completely sums up how I feel about this topic.

You really didn't see that before? Here's a better quality version, but it coudn't be included on the forum:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XA9w4voK9YY

The best part is when Pink is in the hospital, about to go into surgery. You can really sense the panick she's experiencing. It's truly sad so many young girls are having plastic surgery done in order to become a standard Barbie doll.

That's a great video you posted. I like the tag at the end: "talk to your daughter before the beauty industry does". It's so true. It's no wonder we have so many depressed girls and women in today's society. The numbers of women who have anorexia or some related eating disorder are going through the roof. It's a typical Western sickness. You won't ever see an Asian, African or Middle Eastern girl with such a disorder. It's our sick society which produces these illnesses. We have overcome almost all other diseases, and now we're 'creating' new ones...

[Elladorine]

I see Miley in that clip and all I can think of is that brilliant videoclip 'Stupid Girls' by Pink. Do you know that clip?

I've always loved that video, especially how it directly parodies certain celebrites.

It reminds me of this video:

I've seen that one too . . . it's kinda scary how girls can get so caught up in artificial images. Self-image is an incredibly complex issue and all too often it isn't even addressed.

While we're at it, how about this one?

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Now that's what I call empowered.

I think . . . there's too much status and power given to bimbos in this society. I'm not gonna judge Miley one way or the other with this; there's an option to be smart and sexy depending on the direction she wants to go. Anyway, I think it's too soon to tell with just one song from her new album.

[Scarred4life]

That's a great video you posted. I like the tag at the end: "talk to your daughter before the beauty industry does". It's so true. It's no wonder we have so many depressed girls and women in today's society. The numbers of women who have anorexia or some related eating disorder are going through the roof. It's a typical Western sickness. You won't ever see an Asian, African or Middle Eastern girl with such a disorder. It's our sick society which produces these illnesses. We have overcome almost all other diseases, and now we're 'creating' new ones...

Definitely. There's just so much pressure for girls to be thin and beautiful. I mean, these things are just everywhere. Magazines, television, movies. People are attracted to the unattainable beauty they see in magazines, which are really just heavily photo shopped pictures.

I read something about the Barbie doll, and how if a real woman was built like that, her back would be too weak to support her upper body, she would only have half of a kidney, because she would be too skinny. She would also have severe bladder problems, etc. So all of these things that girls are exposed to are nothing but a complete lie. And now we have people starving themselves to death, forcing themselves to throw up after meals, all to reach something that is purely fiction.

[Lazario]

While we're at it, how about this one?

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Now that's what I call empowered.

I've got to be honest. That track makes a great poem and great message sure, but you'd never hear me rocking that out in my car or home stereo. It's a shame that to make the message clear, the song itself has to be such a snore. And slow so that she can properly enunciate all the words, again to be clearly heard. And the rock can't be too hard or else the listener might not be able to pose with this as a totally positive, affirming theme song to their life.

There's just no modern act able to tap into the power of the classic "Free Your Mind" / "Ain't Nuthin' but a She Thing" era (though Santogold nearly does it). When women could put an attitude and edge into the spirit of a track to match the power of the message.

And I like that Pink video, but...if a girl plays football, she's smart? So all those football jocks are...smart?

I had the same thought. It's often what happens when you do a music video, you can't elaborate on what you're saying very much. You just have to assume- she's saying be healthy and keep the weight your body will hold naturally by being active physically. Football is just what gives Pink her drive and everyone is free to do their own sport. At least she's not saying- watch sports. She's saying- play them. That's positive. And a little more hip than the message someone like Janeane Garofalo might be sending about physicality and exercise (though I LOVE HER to death! and she's smart as a whip without sports). If Pink has to send any message at all, this is a good one. Don't watch others play, do it yourself.

No. I understand the point may be that girl's that do what they want, go after their ambitions, and aren't following, are smart, but showing it just by grabbing a football...isn't really showing it.

I think she knows she's preaching to the converted. The viewer has to be smart enough to get it on their own.

Oh, and Miley's video was kinda a good song and artistic idea. I just wish we could actually hear her real voice really singing, since she actually has a good voice and can sing.

Her song's message is not a bad one, it's about her having the freedom to be who she is. It's only if the message is also telling us that who she is is a skank that may be bad...!

I've already expressed a somewhat negative opinion about Miley's new thing. From the trend-copying to the overinflated sense of self-importance, the song may be catchy to some (it seems so at first even I'll admit... then she starts singing and it's shot down; too much digital voice manipulation crap - if she's such a good singer, why won't she just sing instead of having producers mess with her voice?) but there's nothing really about this video or track that's worth the attention it's getting. An expensive video could always be a source of entertainment but it has to be interesting somehow. Outside the box of Buy-Miley. Buy anything Miley. And "Can't Be Tamed" isn't interesting nor truly empowering. As most of the posters have expressed above.

[Goliath]

About the Pink-video: the football represents a choice. The little girl can choose between the dolls and the football. The dolls represent the 'stupid girls'; the football represents the independent, ambitious girls. Football is not a sport associated with women, so that's what makes it a good metafor.

Definitely. There's just so much pressure for girls to be thin and beautiful. I mean, these things are just everywhere. Magazines, television, movies. People are attracted to the unattainable beauty they see in magazines, which are really just heavily photo shopped pictures.

What's hard for me to comprehend, is why 'thin' has become a requirement for 'beauty'. Most men I know don't even like that 'anorexic look'. We just don't like to be able to count a girl's ribs. One thing I compliment Miley on, is having a healthy body. She's definitly not fat, but she's not extremely thin either. She has a good figure, and I hope she'll keep it that way. That's one way in which I would *want* her to be an example to (teen) girls.

I mean, of course I *know* why it has to be thin, thin, thin in every magazine, on every billboard and tv show... There are products that need to be sold! Products to make you thin, to make you beautiful, to make you perfect. If there's no unattainable standard, women aren't going to buy the industry's products. But in the meantime, the industry is responsible for destroying young women's lives --literally! Call me an old-fashioned socialist, but I think that form of capitalism is perverse and unethical.

I read something about the Barbie doll, and how if a real woman was built like that, her back would be too weak to support her upper body, she would only have half of a kidney, because she would be too skinny. She would also have severe bladder problems, etc. So all of these things that girls are exposed to are nothing but a complete lie.

What about the Disney Princesses? Jasmine's proportions are impossible in real life, and her arms are so thin it's scary. Ariel is even thinner. (If I were King Triton, I would keep an eye on that girl and make sure she finishes all her meals.) I think Disney did better with Tiana, recently. This is why it's important to talk with your daughters at a very young age about the unrealistic images they're going to face all their lives.

I'd open a new thread about this subject in 'Off-topic', so as to not derail this one too much, but I don't know if enough people are interested in it.

[blackcauldron85]

I wish this was all in one thread...!

Miley Cyrus Says She's Being Herself In 'Can't Be Tamed' Video
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/163870 ... iley.jhtml

[The_Iceflash]

I really wish she wouldn't go in this direction. Way too auto-tuned for my liking and it doesn't really suit her. She has a great voice and it's completely unnecessary. I wish she wouldn't try to be all the other pop stars right now. She was doing great being herself. I know she says otherwise in the article above but still. I don't like electro-pop Miley Cyrus. I don't like electro-pop to begin with. I think it's a sad direction for pop and I pray that Camp Rock 2 isn't an electro-pop fest. All I can say is thank God that the HSM trilogy came out before the electro-pop fad hit. I would have hated to see what would've happened to it if it did.

This is coming from a big fan of hers. I'd defend her any day from the bandwagon jumping Miley Cyrus/Hannah Montana haters but I think this is ridiculous.

[rexcrk]

*Yawn* In a year or two, she'll have crashed, been burn out and been forgotten.

I'll never forget Miley <3