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[ajmrowland]

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpa ... inionsbox1

I think it's true, but some rather elaborate lies have been told before by many people.

[Ting Ting]

As much as I'd like to believe it, I don't.

Sort of off-topic, but not really:
Did anybody see this?

[disneyboy20022]

I heard Dave Letterman mention a few things that Johnston said Palin was not that much of a Hunter as she said she was...to which Letterman protests saying perhaps that was false since she killed the McCain Campaign for President

also on Letterman....I heard that the dream/ticket for republicans 2012 could be Cheney/Palin???????

If this happens I assume that Rushie Boylimbaugh will be Secretary of State....

Though Like Letterman said...if this does go through the comedy reccession will be over which Letterman said something to the effect of Cheney and Palin being on the ticket and winning could have Shotgun Wedding Photo when the event happens

[SpringHeelJack]

Cheney could never be on a ticket again. It would be suicidal for his party and his running mate.

[Lazario]

Cheney could never be on a ticket again. It would be suicidal for his party and his running mate.

If that case, I'm all-for-it.

[Prudence]

Why do people do this? Democrats and republicans both, along with "opportunistic creeps" like this absolute gigolo, why do so many just come up with anything to give negative attention to a political figure or former political figure whom they personally dislike? Levi Johnston is an idiot kid and likely a pathetic excuse for a father, the very definition of a gigolo, who is milking his chances of fame for all they are worth. He probably blabbed after getting into a disagreement with his mother-in-law.

It's simply a fact that republicans get more negative attention than anything else these days, most of said negative attention entirely lies or gossip having nothing to do with their political careers or abilities*, and that's not at all fair which is ironic because the democratic principles in theory have a lot to do with fairness.

I belong to neither major party of my country and voted for Bob Barr. Just sick of the useless slander from both leading sides, is all. Sarah Palin had the misfortune of being a conservative woman running for a high office in modern politics. She was undeservedly thrown to the wolves.

* "McCain might wear Depends and that alone makes him incapable" was really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

[Lazario]

Sarah Palin had the misfortune of being a conservative woman running for a high office in modern politics. She was undeservedly thrown to the wolves.

But she didn't die.

Therefore- what harm was actually done?

[Siren]

Sarah Palin had the misfortune of being a conservative woman running for a high office in modern politics. She was undeservedly thrown to the wolves.

But she didn't die.

Therefore- what harm was actually done?

I like how the metaphor of wolves was used.....being she was the one who put a bounty on their heads. Gave hunts cash for every wolf paw they brought it. She was a barbarian. I didn't like Obama much either, but I rather have him in office than her. And she would have been. McCain was not looking healthy. I was afraid he'd kick the bucket and she would take over. There are other reasons I didn't like her other than the wolves of course. More important reason, but that was kinda the nail in the coffin.

[Goliath]

Why do people do this? Democrats and republicans both, along with "opportunistic creeps" like this absolute gigolo, why do so many just come up with anything to give negative attention to a political figure or former political figure whom they personally dislike? Levi Johnston is an idiot kid and likely a pathetic excuse for a father, the very definition of a gigolo, who is milking his chances of fame for all they are worth. He probably blabbed after getting into a disagreement with his mother-in-law.

I agree with you on this 100%. I think the media should stop paying attention to that loser. He isn't worth a minute of air-time.

It's simply a fact that republicans get more negative attention than anything else these days, most of said negative attention entirely lies or gossip having nothing to do with their political careers or abilities*, and that's not at all fair which is ironic because the democratic principles in theory have a lot to do with fairness.

Well, that is their own fault. That's what happens if you have 10 Republican Congressmen in the House questioning the president's citizenship. That's what happens when you have Republican Congressmen in the Senate stating that the president's health care plan will "pull the plug on grandma". That's what happens if you allow your party to be taken over by "birthers" and protesters with 'Obama = Hitler' signs. That's what happens with a party that is headed by Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. They deserve every inch of negative attention they get, and they have done it all to themselves.

I belong to neither major party of my country and voted for Bob Barr. Just sick of the useless slander from both leading sides, is all. Sarah Palin had the misfortune of being a conservative woman running for a high office in modern politics. She was undeservedly thrown to the wolves.

"Undeservedly"? She didn't know what the vice-president's job was, when she was running for it! She referred to Africa as a country! She said she had experience in foreign affairs because Alaska is located near Russia! She thought she could win a debate against Joe Biden by blinking non-stop to the audience! She's the one who came up with "death camps"! She is, simply put, a moron. And again, she did it all to herself.

[SpringHeelJack]

Palin was just horribly unqualified. Let's not go blame the media for attacking her- after all, she's a bull dog wearing lipstick, or something. Wasn't she the one who criticized Hillary for playing the woman card, then began to cry and say the media was being mean to her? If she really wanted to avoid public scrutiny, she could have returned to Alaska and re-committed herself to her job, instead of resigning. Talk about lack of experience, she didn't even finish out her term.

[ajmrowland]

And to Obama critics: It took eight years for our country to practically destroy it's own economy. They expect our government-that is to say, us to beable to bring it back up in 10 months? It's the laws of physics; that lego set is easier, and much quicker, to knock over and bust than it is to build.

[disneyboy20022]

And to Obama critics: It took eight years for our country to practically destroy it's own economy. They expect our government-that is to say, us to beable to bring it back up in 10 months? It's the laws of physics; that lego set is easier, and much quicker, to knock over and bust than it is to build.

Yeah....you bring up a valid point....people do need to realize its not ganna be a wam bam overnight thing and by 2012 everything is fixed like Cheyney Bush never happened.....sometimes things get worse before they can start the process to recover....and thats not just political...thats in life...

also while we are getting politcal here...who's listening to Glenn Beck and staying home from school?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909020011


Also on a side note...is it just me or this beginning to sound like a soap opera version of Star Wars....

[Lazario]

also while we are getting politcal here...who's listening to Glenn Beck and staying home from school?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909020011

Also on a side note...is it just me or this beginning to sound like a soap opera version of Star Wars...

I do agree with that sadsack Beck's caller on one point: no President should speak directly to the kids. And that goes for First Lady's as well (Nancy Reagan, I'm looking at you). I don't even agree with Presidents reading stories to kids in class. So, that's why I forgive Obama for doing this speech. Because Bush and Laura already broke that rule. Again: it's the Parents' job to instill the right values in their kids. We don't need the President to tell anyone to do anything.

Generally, I make it a rule not to listen to a-hole Republican commentators anymore. It's beyond redundant now, it's pathetic. They're all total nutcases. I thought Beck had his head together pretty well before Obama became President. Now for some inexplicable reason, Beck seems to think no one listens to O'Reilly anymore (I'm sure there are a few stragglers left) and wants to out-psycho him (for that to happen, he'd have to rewind time back to that "interview" where O'Reilly started shoving his finger in Phil Donahue's face). I already lost all respect for him when he started crying on TV. It's like he doesn't understand: he's a Republican talking down to other heartless red-staters and because of people like him, we're all losing sympathy for manipulative hateful scumbags.

"Be on guard"? Our "republic is under attack"?? It was under attack much worse during the Bush Administration. And at least Obama isn't killing hundreds of thousands of people. How quickly these losers forget how egomaniacal Bush and his cronies were. Way more than Obama could ever be. I suppose this ploy will get pretty far though. I mean, besides the fact that we're already paying it more attention than it's due - it almost makes some twisted kind of sense when you take into account that Obama is a smarter man than Du(m)bya.

[ajmrowland]

Random person: hey, if it's on TV or Radio, it must be true!

That's how quickly they forget. It's what's called "Mob Mentality".
Lucky for me, I've been taught by someone who's politically hardcore, and don't easily fall for it!

[Lazario]

Apparently there was some kind of protest against Obama recently. I don't know anything about it. But here's a sign one of the people in the crowd held up.

Thankfully, I can say- it's just silly. There's definitely blind, unfounded fear some white people have about being led by a black/partially-black man. I mean, I know there's still racism out there, but I honestly never thought it would take this form: white people crying Reverse-Racism. That just tickles me. It really does.

When are people going to accept it already? The new administration is Democratic. Get over it!! Stop claiming you're being victimized.

[Goliath]

And to Obama critics: It took eight years for our country to practically destroy it's own economy.

I'd say it all began much earlier, around 1980, with the deregulation, the tax breaks for the rich, and the free market-fundamentalism of Reagan.

also while we are getting politcal here...who's listening to Glenn Beck and staying home from school?

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200909020011

Also on a side note...is it just me or this beginning to sound like a soap opera version of Star Wars....

If the president can't even make a speech about staying in school without people making up conspiracy theories about indoctrinating, you know this is *not* about the actual speech. Just the other day I saw a woman on tv who was in tears, literally in tears, because her child would have to listen to the president! Just like the town hall disturbances were not about health care. this is not about the speech. It's about a black man in the White House.

"Something is happening and you don't know what it is. Do you, Mr. Jones?"

[Lazario]

And to Obama critics: It took eight years for our country to practically destroy it's own economy.

I'd say it all began much earlier, around 1980, with the deregulation, the tax breaks for the rich, and the free market-fundamentalism of Reagan.

You'd know more about that than I. But the 80's were an overly-glamorized decade. When behind it all was mostly death, decay, and destruction. No wonder so much music of the early 90's shifted radically into aggressive meloncholy and angst. Most if not all of the images flooding TV at that time were part of the devastation Reagan left in his rule. Rednecks on Cops, trailer trash / the popularization of the term "white trash," racially motivated inner-city violence, drugs, etc. Kind of reminds me of the movie Bones - slightly more harmonious, progressive times eaten and disintegrated by power-hungry savages in suits. I don't know if America was really that better off in the late 70's than they were in the early 70's. I mean, alcoholism and drugs would have leveled just about the same numbers they did without AIDS to help them along. But when people look back on those times, there seems to be more fondness for them than the 1980's. Bis also said in one of their songs ("Skinny Tie Sensurround")- "the 80's probably sucked if you weren't a kid."

If the president can't even make a speech about staying in school without people making up conspiracy theories about indoctrinating, you know this is *not* about the actual speech. Just the other day I saw a woman on tv who was in tears, literally in tears, because her child would have to listen to the president! Just like the town hall disturbances were not about health care. this is not about the speech. It's about a black man in the White House.

If that's true, most of those people don't know it consciously. And you better believe- they'd never admit it. The current thinking about racism from these kinds of people is: there's been so much attention on black victims of racism- it's not a problem anymore. "We're" sick of hearing about it. That leaves room for these people to claim Obama hates white people. I think they're both related.

I don't know how you really feel about this personally, what emotion you take to it. But I can't help but find it funny. Especially when one has to visualize that crying mother. It's a pathetic and obvious pity ploy. Not that you didn't know that. I should probably be more serious about this. I have a hard time believing other people would fall for a crying Republican anymore. If it was a Democrat crying- that would be seen as a sign of weakness. When a Republican does it, it's meant to show they have a heart. A sign of strength (or whatever; trying to wrap my mind around this is taking me pretty far out). Most people just find crying annoying and want the person doing it to shut up.

[ajmrowland]

Back in the topic of looking back on the '80s(a decade I never grew up in), they dont sound much different from the '50s. Both glamorized, in attempts to cover up all the political, social, and international issues. Even "educational" films about how to protect yourself from a bomb were happy(at least the one featured in the Iron Giant, which isn't/wasn't real).

And I'm sick of hearing about parents/general adults who get themselves worked up over the race of a president, let alone failing to make proper comparisons between his 9 months and the previvous guys's eight friggin' years. If they can't do that, I choose not to bother with them that much.

[Goliath]

I was born in 1985 and I'm not an American, so I know nothing about living in 1980's America from personal experience, but one can read, right? And while'I think you're right, ajmrowland, about that comparison of the 1950's and the 1980's, I think there are many crucial differences.

In the 1950's, when Eisenhower was president, there wasn't the "me"-mentality that was promoted by Reagan, there wasn't the free market fundamentalism you saw from the 1980's on. There was no talk about "welfare queens". Eisenhower didn't cut the taxes of the wealthiest people or the biggest corporations, like Reagan did. I think that, nowadays, Republicans would think of Ike as a socialist with his 90% tax rate for the wealthiest Americans. Eisenhower actually expanded social programmes, whereas Reagan all cut them.

And it's true that in the 1950's, the threat from Soviet Russia was used as a cover-up for toppling democratic regimes in Iran and Guatemala in favor of dictators that did the bidding of the US, but it wasn't out in the open, like it was in the 1980's. Reagan and the Republicans bragged about it, they loved to defend the Contra's and the invasion of Grenada. Movies were made to support this doctrine. To boast about that was unthinkable in the 1950s', when at least the US government tried to uphold the image of a being a fighter for democracy.

Eisenhower wasn't an intellectual, but he was a smart man. Reagan was celebrating an anti-intellectualism that still is alive in American politics (see Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann). Facts are silly things, Reagan used to say, and he was proud of displaying his ignorance, and he didn't mind making shit up, and he set a trend.

Lazario, in the beginning, I too laughed at the people who screamed for Obama's birth certificate to be released; I laughed at Glenn Beck crying on national television; I laughed at the dumbasses with the 'Obama = Hitler' signs. But I'm not laughing anymore. Not since the shooting in a liberal church, which was targeted by the perpetrator because, he said, he couldn't get to the liberal leaders, and that's why he targeted the people who voted them into office. In his house, police found books authored by Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. And the shooter at the Holocaust Museum turned out to be a "birther". And there are other examples I have trouble remembering. Watching Glenn Beck isn't funny anymore; it's downright creepy. I know that 3 million people watching, on 350 million Americans, isn't much. But it's, in my eyes, 300 potential "lone gunmen"...

[jpanimation]

And I'm sick of hearing about parents/general adults who get themselves worked up over the race of a president, let alone failing to make proper comparisons between his 9 months and the previvous guys's eight friggin' years. If they can't do that, I choose not to bother with them that much.

Wow, I haven't heard anyone but the president and his supporters talk about race. I guess I've just never met a racist before in my life and if I didn't watch so many movies, I wouldn't even know they exist. The people I hear complain about the president disagree with his actions, not his race. Maybe its a conspiracy (can any liberals confirm this) and "We want freedom" is code for "We hate black people."

Lazario, in the beginning, I too laughed at the people who screamed for Obama's birth certificate to be released; I laughed at Glenn Beck crying on national television; I laughed at the dumbasses with the 'Obama = Hitler' signs. But I'm not laughing anymore. Not since the shooting in a liberal church, which was targeted by the perpetrator because, he said, he couldn't get to the liberal leaders, and that's why he targeted the people who voted them into office. In his house, police found books authored by Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity. And the shooter at the Holocaust Museum turned out to be a "birther". And there are other examples I have trouble remembering. Watching Glenn Beck isn't funny anymore; it's downright creepy. I know that 3 million people watching, on 350 million Americans, isn't much. But it's, in my eyes, 300 potential "lone gunmen"...

Oh crap, I just realized that I occasionally watch Glenn Beck. Hide the children, I may get the urge to shoot people!

Give me a break, those incidents were just isolated cases by a couple of crazies. One was an ex nazi that was anti-Semitic and the other hated liberals for their policies (in particular, acceptance of gays, he was a homophobe). I don't think Glenn Beck or Michael Savage brought on their sudden homophobic or anti-Semitic viewpoints. They were obviously nuts to begin with and you get these freaks on both sides of the aisles. Politics had nothing to do with these people, you can't even call them extremists, just crazies. I doubt the Nazi killed the Jewish security guard because he wanted Obama's birth certificate, this goes way beyond activism.

All I can say is I still laugh at the idiots with Obama=Hitler signs, just as hard as I laughed at the Bush=Hitler signs. Its your normal Democrat/Republican whining. As for laughing at the birth certificate, where is it? Just whip the darn thing out and shut everyone up. This whole debate should've been over before he even took office. The fact that he refuses to release it just adds fuel to the fire and if he ended up not being qualified, that would really screw things up. This controversy shouldn't exist.