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This discussion is not about day-and-date titles* (which I must admit have had a few slips quality wise, such as missing commentary tracks and trailers) but about Warner Bros' exceptional treatment of its catalogue releases. Quite simply put, no other studio major or minor has as much love and respect for its back catalogue as Warner Bros does.

In a time when we are repeatedly being told DVD sales (especially those of catalogue titles) are going down, Warner Bros isn't content to simply knock-up a disc with some half-assed "that will do" mentality. Almost each and every single one of their catalogue releases is a mini-masterpiece.

Even the discs which could be described as somewhat thread-bare exhibit a love not seen in the majority of Buena Vista, Universal or Fox releases. From the use of covers strongly based on theatrical one sheets to the inclusion of the original theatrical trailer, Warner seems to do everything right.

Not content to fall into the "catalogue titles don't sell" mentality, Warner Bros work hard to make almost every catalogue release something special, and contain one surprise or another.

They scour their vast archives for anything remotely connected to the release in question. As a result we commonly get such delights as vintage radio interviews or adaptations, vintage newsreels and shorts, in-depth documentaries made for channels like TCM. And even if they can't find a documentary in their vast library, or the one they did find may be considered "vintage" they're not adverse to buying documentaries in from other broadcasters or commissioning new ones. And what's more, when they do, they don't instruct their filmmakers to deliver something which assumed the viewer has the attention span of a goldfish and the intellectual capability of a 10 year old!

Warner doesn't just look at the film itself when it comes to extras too – it likes to examine the cultural context of the time. Sometimes it looks at how the film in question fits into the culture of the period (such as the 1950's Sci-Fi film documentary on The Forbidden Planet) and sometimes it examines if the film itself helped to define the culture (such as the documentary on cinematic violence on the upcoming Dirty Harry releases).

So a film like Forbidden Planet can contain such delights as an intelligent and thoughtful "making of" documentary, unseen special effect test footage, a documentary on the design of the iconic Robbie the Robot, a complete episode from the Thin Man TV series (featuring Robbie the Robot), a documentary on Sci-Fi films in the 1950's – complete with interviews with George Lucas, Steven Spielberg and Ridley Scott (supported by a trailer gallery of trailers for other Warner Sci-Fi films from the 50's), the Forbidden Planet theatrical trailer and a complete second movie, the semi-sequel "The Invisible Boy" (sequel in the sense if features Robbie the Robot). All this is on top of a grade-one restoration of the original motion picture.

What other studio offers as much? Nothing disappointed me more than the shoddy release of the other 50's Sci-Fi classic This Island Earth from Universal. Considering the included trailer boasts "special effects over two and a half-years in the making" the disappointment of not having a supplement examining either the revolutionary effects work or the incredible design work seen in the film is nothing short of criminal.

Again, not content to simply let their films get lost on the over encumbered store shelves, Warner Bros also know how to present and sell their catalogue releases. So we get extensive themed box sets – often, but not always – with extra bonus discs. We also get more and more "Ultimate Collectors Editions" filled with physical extras – models, art books, reproductions of period promotional materials. Again, hardly any other studio goes this extra mile – or if they do, it's in a half-hearted attempt. See Universal's "Franchise Collections" as an example. Even the name screams nothing but opportunistic marketing.

But I'm leaving what shows the most love and attention from Warner Bros to their catalogue films to the very end. Quite simply, it’s the input of the small number of film historians that make Warner's catalogue titles shine. They provide enlightened commentary tracks, they liven up documentaries, and who knows, perhaps like Jerry Beck influences the Looney Tunes DVD releases, perhaps its these historians who tell Warner Bros archivists what to look for and put on their DVDs? Without Rudy Belmar or Scott McQueen, perhaps we wouldn't have that "Invisible Boy" movie? Or perhaps we wouldn't have those TV Clips from "MGM Parade" where Walter Pidgeon talks about his latest movie? Perhaps without this historians we would have releases just as basic and threadbare as the bulk of other studios' catalogue releases?

As high definition gains a larger and larger footprint on the public's movie buying habits, I'm happy that the largest film library in the world is owned by Time-Warner. I'm happy that a company which respects the titles and properties which gave it its success is poised to restore, re-master and deliver these titles in high definition, and will do so correctly. I just hope when the current film historians finally retire, there's a new generation just as knowledgeable and enthusiastic to take their place.

* Why are they called day-and-date? Surely if they are one, they are the other automatically? And what day or what date? They're not the original film premiere day or date are they? :?
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Ditto to everything, netty.

Warner Brothers has consistently been on the top of my "Favorite DVD Studio" list, and is the studio that I buy DVDs from more than I do others. I can always expect a solid release from them, and know that a degree of effort is actually put into their DVDs.

One of my favorite sets from Warner is the Astaire & Rogers: Complete Film Collection. It's one of their first Ultimate Collector's Edition boxsets and FILLED TO THE BRIM with wonderful material. Initially, five Astaire/Rogers films were released in a "Volume One" set, with the "Volume Two" coming a year later simultaneously with the Complete Film Collection. And perhaps as a GREAT CONVENIENCE to fans who already acquired Volume One, Warner set up a special deal with Amazon where they could buy the Complete Film Collection at a lower price, without the Volume One discs, but with their thinpaks and cover art! That way Volume One buyers wouldn't have to rebuy five of the films but still get all the great material that's exclusive to the Complete Film Collection!

And the movies themselves all have great bonuses. All of them contain vintage shorts, cartoons, and trailers (for most films, I think Carefree doesn't have a trailer). There are excellent featurettes on five of the films, along with commentaries on about three or four of them (while I'd prefer if all 10 films had commentary, beggars can't be choosers). The collection-exclusive DVD has a wonderful documentary about the Astaire/Rogers films, as well as a CD with well-known songs from their films ("The Continental", "A Fine Romance", "The Way You Look Tonight", etc.). And the paper gubbins are all excellent as well.

I think that a missed opportunity for Warners, though, was their Garbo: The Signature Collection boxset that came out to celebrate Greta Garbo's 100th birthday. The three silent films got a great amount of coverage (all three had commentaries and their trailers, two had alternate endings, and there was a great documentary that looked at the music competition to determine who'd write a new score for one of the films), Grand Hotel was re-issued from its already fine Special Edition, and the excellent TCM documentary "Garbo" was the boxset exclusive.

But the rest of the films were pretty much "film + trailer". Sure, Anna Christie got the alternate German version (with Garbo and the same sets, but different supporting cast), and Camille had a "Leo on the Air" promo and the 1926 silent version. But it would have been nice to get a couple film historian/Garbo historian commentaries (particularly for Ninotchka and Queen Christina), and Warner had proven already that they could track down and included vintage shorts and cartoons that were done during the time period. Also, as great as the "Garbo" documentary is, I would have liked seeing individual featurettes focusing on the more popular Garbo flicks (Anna Karenina, Queen Christina, Camille, and Ninotchka.)

And it seems kind of ironic that Garbo's last silent film, The Kiss, and her last film ever, Two-Faced Woman were excluded from the boxset. Perhaps they're being saved for a "Garbo: Volume Two" as there are still some titles that have yet to be released (Warner could have easily released The Painted Veil to co-incide with the Edward Norton/Naomi Watts remake last year).

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That A&R Amazon story sounds amazing! Shame they don't do the same for their complete series TV collections which feature bonus discs. (One reason I specifically singled out their catalogue movie releases in my initial post as this blatant opportunism annoys me). I'm also a little concerned by the lack of commentaries on some of their new releases too - "I am Legend" being the lastest title I bought without one.

Humm, something that I perhaps didn't communicate so well was that even if a catalogue title is released almost barebones (such as the Garbo films you mention) Warner still make the effort to create something special by releasing them in a boxset with other films, extras and gubbins.

For me, the ideal example is the Thin Man collection (well worth buying by the way) which has somewhat "thin" extras on all of the films (and ironically the first Thin Man movie seems to come off the worst for extras having just a Warner style Thin Man trailer gallery) Warner throws in a Nick and Nora bonus disc - which contains in-depth biographies of the two leading actors in the series, the first episdoe of the TV series (recast) and a Thin Man radio show (some of the other films contain radio audio too).

So instead of just putting out films, they do at least try to make a package.

Compare that with Disney (for example). They can't even be bothered to do special sets for their "multi-million" selling Platinum releases these days. :roll:
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netty wrote:That A&R Amazon story sounds amazing!
I know, I was ecstatic when I discovered it.

Unfortunately, there are some ignoramuses on Amazon who saw the "Partial Collection" (as I think it was called), and thought it was the complete collection at much lower price. So they order it, find it's "missing" five discs, and promptly leave negative feedback on Amazon. Bunch of dumbasses, they should've read the product descriptions more carefully...
netty wrote:I'm also a little concerned by the lack of commentaries on some of their new releases too
Me too. Commentaries aren't every consumer's cup of tea, but they really allow viewers to get more information about making the film than they'd think (even bad commentaries that are just "haha, look at that!" or "Yeah, this was a fun scene" have some value to them.)

Also, I'm getting a bit annoyed that some of their new titles (which either underperformed or bombed completely) get a near-or-completely barebones treatment on DVD.
netty wrote:Humm, something that I perhaps didn't communicate so well was that even if a catalogue title is released almost barebones (such as the Garbo films you mention) Warner still make the effort to create something special by releasing them in a boxset with other films, extras and gubbins.

For me, the ideal example is the Thin Man collection (well worth buying by the way) which has somewhat "thin" extras on all of the films (and ironically the first Thin Man movie seems to come off the worst for extras having just a Warner style Thin Man trailer gallery) Warner throws in a Nick and Nora bonus disc - which contains in-depth biographies of the two leading actors in the series, the first episdoe of the TV series (recast) and a Thin Man radio show (some of the other films contain radio audio too).

So instead of just putting out films, they do at least try to make a package.
Ahh, okay, that makes more sense now. I guess because I've raised my expectations for Warners that good sets like Garbo/Thin Man (where it's barebones movies and a bonus disc) sometimes get less appreciation from me. Maybe because I'm such a bonus-features-whore.
netty wrote:Compare that with Disney (for example). They can't even be bothered to do special sets for their "multi-million" selling Platinum releases these days. :roll:
Disney should licence out all their films to Warner, I'm sure they could do wonders with them. OAR on all titles, a bevy of vintage materials, and a respectable amount of new stuff by way of commentaries and/or documentaries.

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Another reason to monster-love Warner Home Entertainment...

DVDTimes reports that Busby Berkelely Collection, Volume Two will street on September 18...

Warner Home Video have announced the Region 1 DVD release of the Busby Berkeley Collection Volume 2 on 16th September 2008. The collection features four more Berkeley classics which are new to Region 1 DVD including Gold Diggers of 1937, Gold Diggers in Paris, Hollywood Hotel and Varsity Show. Following in the dancing footsteps of Warner’s successful 2006 collection, this second spectacular volume from one of the greatest motion picture choreographers of all time also includes musical shorts, featurettes and classic cartoons. Each feature in the collection has also been painstakingly restored from its original camera negative for this new DVD collection.

The 4-disc giftset will sell for $39.92 SRP and the single titles will be available for $19.97 SRP.

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Gold Diggers of 1937 (1936)
Dick Powell plays an insurance agent with musical ambitions while Joan Blondell is a showgirl who gives up spangles for a stenographer’s pad. But the plot is secondary as dance creator Busby Berkeley turns a garden party into a tap-happy romp, and Blondell leads leggy soldiers in a banner-waving, precision-formation rendition of “All’s Fair in Love and War” that’s Berkeley spectacle at its showy best. Berkeley received an Academy nod for Best Dance Direction.

DVD Special Features:

* 1997 documentary Busby Berkeley: Going Through the Roof
* Technicolor historical short The Romance of Louisiana
* Classic cartoons Plenty of Money and You and Speaking of the Weather
* Two excerpts from 1929’s Gold Diggers of Broadway
* Theatrical trailer

Gold Diggers in Paris (1938)
The Gold Diggers are headed for Paris, bringing their feathers, frills, and ballet shoes. A French diplomat has mistaken 43rd Street’s Club Ballé for the American Academy Ballet, and the chorus cuties aren’t going to turn down a free trip to the City of Light over such a tiny misunderstanding. Rudy Vallee stars as the club’s impresario and Busby Berkeley creates and directs the inventive musical numbers, both ‘magnifique’ and loaded with moxie.

DVD Special Features:

* Two Broadway Brevities musical shorts: The Candid Kid and Little Me
* Classic cartoon Love and Curses
* Theatrical trailer

Hollywood Hotel (1937)
The plot about a Hollywood newcomer (Dick Powell) caught between a spoiled star (Lola Lane) and her likeable look-alike (Lola’s look-alike sister Rosemary Lane) is secondary to watching Busby Berkeley’s ace direction – and music, music, music. The film opens with the jubilant debut of Tinseltown’s unofficial anthem Hooray for Hollywood. The jaunty Let That Be a Lesson to You shows off Berkeley’s mastery of editing and camera angles. And Benny Goodman and his Orchestra -- with Harry James on trumpet and Gene Krupa on drums – swing, swing, swing into Sing, Sing, Sing.

DVD Special Features:

* Technicolor historical short The Romance of Robert Burns
* Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy comedy short Double Talk
* Classic cartoon Porky’s Five & Ten
* Theatrical trailer

Varsity Show (1937)
Broadway impresario Chuck Daly (Dick Powell) leads an A+ cast of coeds and their guys, including film-debuting sisters Priscilla and Rosemary Lane and fluty-voiced comic character star Sterling Holloway, in this exuberant college musical. Oscar nominated for his dance direction in this film, Berkeley creates and directs a rah-rah, football-themed finale featuring high-style overhead shots, kinetic camerawork and hundreds of dancers on a 50 ft. by 60 ft. staircase.

DVD Special Features:

* Musical short Flowers from the Sky
* Edgar Bergen/Charlie McCarthy comedy short A Neckin’ Party
* Classic cartoon Have You Got Any Castles
* Theatrical trailer

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I still have to pick up the first set (isn't it odd how I'll impulsively spend $60 on Doctor Who, but still have delayed getting Busby Berkeley?), and now I'm excited for the second volume as well!

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I think that WHV and any classic dvd that comes out should have Robert Osborne from TCM and Leonard Maltin do a commentary track for it. The rich knowledge these two have is infinite and is a real blessing for them to share it w/us.
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I also enjoy Warner Bros. DVD issues of classic catalogue titles. Some of the ones I have are pretty barebones, but they still manage to put SOMETHING on there. I own both Auntie Mame and Mame on DVD, and both are fairly barebones but both have excellent video and audio quality. Auntie Mame has trailers for both films and a music-only track, while Mame has the trailer and a vintage featurette that's basically just an extended trailer. Doesn't sound like much, but at least Warner made the effort to include that stuff. Disney will release catalogue titles with pretty much nothing.

Then of course there's their fabulous 3-Disc sets for The Maltese Falcon and The Wizard of Oz, their 4-Disc sets for Gone With The Wind and Ben-Hur, and their 2-Disc sets for Casablanca and My Fair Lady, all of which I own. Even some of their single-disc sets are fantastic, such as A Star Is Born with Judy Garland (Although that's a flipper, so it's KIND OF a 2-Disc set if you will.) and Willy Wonka.
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chadhobbick wrote:I think that WHV and any classic dvd that comes out should have Robert Osborne from TCM and Leonard Maltin do a commentary track for it. The rich knowledge these two have is infinite and is a real blessing for them to share it w/us.
Nah, they've got Rudy Behlmer. Rudy rocks! :D

As for Busby Berkelely I just watched the first 3rd or so the the "Here's Looking at You Warner Bros. from the Warner Legends boxset and I stopped just after the Busby Berkeley stuff. While its not exactly 100% my cup of tea, I will say some of the arrangements were freaking incredible, and its good Warner are putting these out with some care and attention.

Disney can't even be bothered to put a documentary on the first live action film from the studio (Treasure Island). In fact, they can't be bothered to put anything on it at all.

Of course, the Warner bonus disc reminded me that Warner Bros (while they may not have invented talkie pictures as such) were a huge backer of motion pictures with sound - they were the first to do sound shorts and the first to do a live action motion picture with sound (The Jazz Singer). Warners was also a big backer of the DVD format. We have a lot to thank Warners for.
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netty wrote:
chadhobbick wrote:I think that WHV and any classic dvd that comes out should have Robert Osborne from TCM and Leonard Maltin do a commentary track for it. The rich knowledge these two have is infinite and is a real blessing for them to share it w/us.
Nah, they've got Rudy Behlmer. Rudy rocks! :D
Agreed! I love his commentary for Casablanca and his (Fox) commentary for Laura.

Still, it would be great if each classic DVD had a Robert Osborne introduction done on the TCM set, the way that some of Universal's classic DVDs have them (of course, the introduction and the trailer usually is all that's included bonus-wise...grrrr..).

I don't know what the world of classic cinema will do when the great historians like Behlmer, Osborne, and Maltin are gone...
netty wrote:Disney can't even be bothered to put a documentary on the first live action film from the studio (Treasure Island). In fact, they can't be bothered to put anything on it at all.
And yet they include the Treasure Island trailer as bonus material (under the "Story" section IIRC) for Treasure Planet. Talk about irony.

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I tried to listen to Rudy's commentary on Gone With The Wind and it was like listening to grass grow. Maybe his other commentaries are better, but that one put me to sleep.
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I monster-am beginning to wonder what in the living hell is going on over there are Warner!

Someone pointed out to me the other day that all the 2-disc special editions of the four '89-'97 Batman movies to come out 3 years ago are all out of print / discontinued now. It seemed a little strange and absurdly unfair to me at the time (even though I already got the Burton films and that's all that was important to me).

Now, all the Wizard of Oz DVD's are out of print / discontinued.

What...The...F***?!!?!!?!!
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Lazario wrote:I monster-am beginning to wonder what in the living hell is going on over there are Warner!

Someone pointed out to me the other day that all the 2-disc special editions of the four '89-'97 Batman movies to come out 3 years ago are all out of print / discontinued now. It seemed a little strange and absurdly unfair to me at the time (even though I already got the Burton films and that's all that was important to me).

Now, all the Wizard of Oz DVD's are out of print / discontinued.

What...The...F***?!!?!!?!!
They're all being taken out of print because the Blu-Rays are coming out in 2009, and they'll re-introduce the DVDs with the Blu-Ray release. Other movies that have been put out of print in order to come out again with the 2009 Blu-Ray debut include Gone with the Wind and North By Northwest.

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I think it's funny how this thread would probably not last an hour on the Blu-ray.com threads since they despise the lack of looseless audio and digi book packaging on their titles. And yet they all buy The Dark Knight against their much advertised "boycotts". Oh well, no How the West was Won for you!
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Well, I'll tell you something - I'm basically from a smaller community: the horror community. We have our own places online. And we're not used to the companies we buy from doing this kind of thing...

Matter of fact- I don't think we're much used to any company doing this kind of thing. Even the frequent "Double-Dippers" (clearly an old, perhaps-outdated expression by the time this post is submitted).

Uh, gee-it's nice of Warner to always be in the market to make better editions... I admire people trying to improve on their work. But this movie has already had a dizzying amount of editions released! I'm not looking for a yet more expensive edition to come out. There has to be a freaking point where a non-diehard fan of the movie can own 1 stinking edition and kind of call that the end of buying this title.

And for them to force these titles so aggressively out of print, making whatever copies are still available to basically start commanding $100 price tags for Amazon.com's zShop-merchant sellers... Warner seem to be under THE DELUSION that they are The-New-Disney-DVD studio.

I now re-phrase my original question - Who The F*** Do These People Think They Are??
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Is the new Wizard of Oz DVD going to have new special features? And would it be worth the upgrade if you already have the 3 disc version?
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That's a very good question!

I would already love to know the difference between the 2-disc special edition and the 3-disc collector's edition... And by that time, Warner had probably already released the movie at least twice.
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Panfan wrote:Is the new Wizard of Oz DVD going to have new special features?
Probably some new non-DVD swag and gubbins that aren't already included in the three-disc set. Given that the three-disc set is quite packed, I don't think there's gonna be any new DVD features, though some Ultimate Collector's Edition sets have added new DVD materials (Casablanca, Blade Runner, and I Am Legend come to mind).

I'd love for it to include the two-disc Deluxe Edition of the soundtrack.
Panfan wrote:And would it be worth the upgrade if you already have the 3 disc version?
Probably if you want the non-DVD swag.
Laz wrote:I would already love to know the difference between the 2-disc special edition and the 3-disc collector's edition...
The third disc contains:

"L. Frank Baum: The Man Behind The Curtain" -featurette (27:43 min)

"The Wizard Of Oz (1910)" -silent film (13:17 min)

"The Magic Cloak Of Oz (1914)" -silent film (38:26 min)

"His Majesty, The Scarecrow Of Oz (1914)" -silent film (59:04 min)

"The Wizard Of Oz (1925)" -Restored silent version (71:48 min)

"The Wizard Of Oz (1933)" -Technicolor animated short (8:12 min)

And some non-DVD gubbins:
-"The Wizard of Oz Comes to Life" (8-page Grauman's Chinese Theater Souvenir Premiere Program from August 15, 1939)

-"Studio's Invitation to The Grauman's Premiere"

-"Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer Studio News" (12-page "house organ" issue)

-"Photoplay Studies" (16-page study guide to the film)

-"Deluxe Collectors' Portfolio" (reproductions of original 1939 Kodachrome publicity stills - 9 portraits and photographs)

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Cool.

Well, the trend I find with myself is that I rarely watch bonus features for older films. The classics from the golden age of cinema. I don't know why, I just never get around to it. I can only recall watching the featurettes for The Bad Seed and Sunset Boulevard, and that's it for films made before '68. I find with featurettes made for films in the 1970's and upward, the filmmakers and cast are often expected to make more of an impression on the viewer and grab them. The humor of many of Anchor Bay and MGM's featurettes, for instance (especially Anchor Bay), makes them entertaining. They really know how to make an interesting interview subject out of any and everyone they talk to.

I guess I wouldn't be too excited about a bigger, thicker, newer edition of a movie like this. I think I'd rather just have the movie. Not that that's an option right now...
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I woulld say Sony are best known for double... even triple or quadruple dipping, and then Anchor Bay. So I think its a bit unfair to claim the process of double dipping is more or less unknown in the Horror community Laz. AB not only double dip frequently, but also go in for collectable packaging too which has a premium price.

As for the new Gone with the Wind etc releases, I'm willing to bet that as well as the gubbins including box sets, there will also be DVD only sets re-released. After all, they gave the option of discs only (or reduced discs) for previous Ultimate Editions. So the actual process of re-releasing the films with expensive box sets isn't a problem as such, as DVD only releases will be available, and probably you'll be able to pick them up for a lower price than the current DVD releases if you get in to purchase in the first week or so when discounts are at their peak.

But yes, since this first post, my love of Warner Bros is not as high as it once was. The I Am Legend release was the turning point. It was so clear that a further release was planned (lack of commentary being the main tip-off), but even I was surprised by how soon the re-release was.

And of course, since then we've had other discs with signs of obvious double dips - The Dark Knight (lacklustre supplements all around), Speed Racer, Get Smart... I'm expecting all of these to be re-released before the end of 2009. And of course we still never have gotten that PiP commentary/In-Movie experience for Superman Returns yet so that's another Blu-ray/DVD re-release on the cards. I'm sure that they're are others too...

However, Warners still release, without exception, the best catalogue titles. They're also consistant in doing this, even for the 'smaller' movies. Even something as easy as including the theatrical trailer and a short 10 minute featurette is more than any other studio would do. They remain remarkably consistant too in their catalogue releases. Which makes their somewhat sub-standard release of their modern movies even more disappointing.

But over all, Warners still head and shoulders above other major studios. No other has as much respect for their classics as Warner does. Can you imagine Disney releasing a pre-1970 live action movie with an all-new commentary track, over an hour of all-new supplements and the original theatrical trailers? Of course not. And Disney itself is not immune to the concept of double dipping on newer films (I'm sure that even before the film was made, Disney was planning an Enchanted double-dip, the current DVD being so poor).

As for the lossless audio issue on Blu-ray if does seem silly that Warners won't do TrueHD on all releases, but they do agressively release on BD25s which may explain some of it - especially as their BD25s tend to contain a lot of supplements (often encoded in SD VC1 for space reasons). And I'm still more of a supplements guy than an audio/visual guy so failing the obvious solution of using a BD50, I'm still pretty happy with Warners' Blu-rays. (Their Forbidden Planet HD DVD is probably my favourite "catalogue" hi-def release ever... I'm not sure why it's not appeared on Blu yet).
Most of my Blu-ray collection some of my UK discs aren't on their database
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