Heston's Involvement In Politics & Guns: Discuss/Debate

[Lazario]

Really recently, Terror Trap recommended Heston's film The Omega Man and it looked really interesting. I always wanted to see Soylent Green, but then some stupid DVD reviewer ruined the surprise ending for me.

I admire his dedication / passion for the 2nd Amendment. But his passion for making sure the world knew Ben-Hur didn't have the famous gay subtext in it the writer intended there to be was always a bit distressing. And by a bit, I mean a lot. Seriously, if you're not adding to the solution, you're adding to the problem. So I can't pass this one off with a complete bill of innocence. Plus, the campaigning for Republican Presidents... that was really messed up.

But for everyone who enjoyed his movies, this is sad.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Plus, the campaigning for Republican Presidents... that was really messed up.

So you think he should've destroyed the 2nd Amendment, strengthened Al-Qaeda, destroy the economy, media, health-care and the United States in general as we know it by voting for brainless jackasses like Bill Clinton or Al Gore who had/would've made the United States a dangerous place because of their stupidity?

When someone dies, can't you give them at least a LITTLE respect, even if you can't agree with their politics? But seeing your lack of any intelligence, that's too much to ask for isn't it.

You truly don't belong on a Disney site.

[SpringHeelJack]

Didn't you just refer to Michael Moore and George Clooney as "liberal left idiots" on a page that should be focused on remembering Charlton Heston? You're bringing up politics, too.

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

Didn't you just refer to Michael Moore and George Clooney as "liberal left idiots" on a page that should be focused on remembering Charlton Heston? You're bringing up politics, too.

Yeah but these are idiots who insulted Charlton Heston. I'm paying respect to the recently deceased by saying I admired how he put up with these losers.

[SpringHeelJack]

Ah, of course. Silly me.

[AwallaceUNC]

But seeing your lack of any intelligence, that's too much to ask for isn't it.

You truly don't belong on a Disney site.

T/P fan, these remarks cross the line of acceptable posting. As you know, personal attacks such as these aren't allowed here. Thanks.

-Aaron

[Mr. Toad]

One thing that always gets lost when talking about Heston was his Civil Rights record. People look at the support for Republicans and the gun control stuff(which I thought made him look like an absolute nutcase at times). But he also marched with Rev. Martin Luthor King and was very pro Civil Rights. Sometimes you have to forget the lavels that get put on people and look at the total person.

[Lazario]

I think this thread is not the right place for politics either.

I had no intention of doing so. In fact, I expected that I would have the opportunity to state my opinions without any interference. Whoops. It's just another painstaking example of the fact that we're in a war right now but more fighting is taking place right inside our own nation. I'm stating simple facts, that would not be facts if people's lives were not at stake. Yet they are pawns in the conservative media's little egomaniacal games...I guess if the majority of the public were smarter, they could not be so easily manipulated. Then no one would pay attention to anything any celebrity said. But they started this, and I'm damn well going to have my say, whenever I choose to exercise it.

Plus, the campaigning for Republican Presidents... that was really messed up.

So you think he should've destroyed the 2nd Amendment

Did you actually read my post? You would see I strongly support the 2nd Amendment. But you are apparently incapable of reading. Why do you reply to posts you don't read?

strengthened Al-Qaeda

If you think most Republicans actually want to stop terrorism (which to a large degree is a myth they invented), you are really living in a dream world.

destroy the economy

Are you actually under the delusion that people are living well in the U.S. right now??? Almost everyone I know (nearly a hundred people) and talk to frequently would beg to differ with you. And about half of them even vote for Democrats. However - all of them agree life was 1,000,000,000 times better and easier and more tolerable under Clinton. Then...there's that nasty little Trillion-Dollar Deficit in the National Budget. And those funky reports about how consumers are spending less money at Christmas time under W. Bush than other Presidents prior. And gas prices.

Stop me if you've heard these before.

media

Fox News - the single weakest media source of information - is run by Republicans, genius.

health-care

Both sides are idiots when it comes to health care.

and the United States in general as we know it by voting for brainless jackasses like Bill Clinton or Al Gore who had/would've made the United States a dangerous place because of their stupidity?

You've got your information mixed up. There's no such thing as a perfect President, but they were a lot better than the Bushes, Nixon, and Reagen. At least their stupidity didn't cost many millions of lives.

When someone dies, can't you give them at least a LITTLE respect, even if you can't agree with their politics?

He was a public figure and he was living large most of his professional career. He got enough respect when he was alive. And since the person most interested in him in his final years was Michael Moore... I don't feel the least bit out of line with saying this.

But seeing your lack of any intelligence, that's too much to ask for isn't it.

You truly don't belong on a Disney site.

You can't tell me I don't belong on a Disney site because you think all Disney fans should be Republicans. That's ridiculous.

I have every right to hold this man accountable for the irresponsible things he did when he was alive. It's just sad that in his later years he could stick up for gun rights but didn't have the guts to care about people's rights as much as he did for inanimate objects. He let senility get the better of him. But that's the Republican weakness in him I would figure.



You have a funny way of judging intelligence.

Yeah but these are idiots who insulted Charlton Heston. I'm paying respect to the recently deceased by saying I admired how he put up with these losers.

They sure as hell were a lot more responsible celebrities than Heston was. I do however also admire his ability to keep from getting involved in public disputes with other celebrities. Clint Eastwood, Bruce Willis, and Donald Trump could have taken a lesson from him.

One thing that always gets lost when talking about Heston was his Civil Rights record. People look at the support for Republicans and the gun control stuff (which I thought made him look like an absolute nutcase at times). But he also marched with Rev. Martin Luthor King and was very pro Civil Rights. Sometimes you have to forget the lavels that get put on people and look at the total person.

As a total person, he wasn't perfect. Short diagnosis.

And I'll never say he doesn't deserve points for that. But that was a long time ago. Today, black students can "be" black in 75% or more American public high schools without being targets for violent hatred. Socially and politially, it's hugely taboo to refuse or deny rights for blacks. The same cannot be said for gays in high school. Less than 10% of today's high schools it's safe to be "out" in. If it weren't for the hatred of today's Republican party and the fact that they haven't progressed at all on social issues involving gays - this country would be a safer, more American place. That fact can never be denied and it's beyond outrageous that so many people support a system and government so screwed up. If we can't guarantee rights and privilages to all Americans - what can we guarantee?

[castleinthesky]

Lazario,

I don't really feel like reading through all your diatribe, but it seems to me that all you want to do is blame the Republicans for everything that is occuring in this country. You fail to blame the Democrats for one thing.

The economic issues in the country stem from Democratic Presidents. President Woodrow Wilson was the first major neo-conservative president, go to unjust wars. The first president to lead to government welfare, which thus does not allow people to get out of poverty, was FDR. The neo-conservatives of Wilson's time eventually migrated into the Republican Party, hijacking the conservative views of the likes of Robert Taft and Ronald Raegan, and then turning them into the neo-conservative big government views of the Bush Dynasty.

Don't blame Republicans alone for the millions of lives lost. Wilson got us into the unjust World War I. Wasn't it Truman who dropped the atom bomb and got us into Korea and Vietnam. LBJ heavily escalated the US' prescence in Vietnman, instead of getting us out. Bill Clinton went to unjust wars in Haiti, the former Yugoslavia, and Somalia (which happens to still be without a government thanks to that). You're whole disection on how Republicans have killed millions of people is virtually a lie, and you should retract the statement.

Currently, Democrats have done nothing to help improve the economy. They continue to vote for our biggest economic krutch, the Iraq War. Don't blame the Republicans for the problem, when your beloved Democratic presidential candidates would stay in Iraq for years as well. The Democrats have control of Congess, and if they disliked the Iraq War they would have gotten us out by now.

You also say that Republicans are being discriminatory against homosexuals and the such. Have you not heard of the Log Cabin Republicans. Nextly, the Democrats have done virtually nothing to increase equal rights for gays.

Fox News may be neo-conservative propaganda, but who says CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and all the other stations arn't either? All the fomer stations follow these three basic guidelines: ommission of the facts and occurances, submission to political figures' wishes, and distortion of the facts.

[Lazario]

I'm not going to feel sorry for anything I've said. Nor will I retract anything. And talk all you want to about Democrats not helping the economy. It just happens to be a fact that this country was in a better place before Bush was allowed to take office after having the election stolen. It seems all you can focus on is the war. The war is only part of the problem - quite obviously.

it seems to me that all you want to do is blame the Republicans for everything that is occuring in this country.

Only the ones who have contributed to this country becoming the mess it is today.

Don't blame Republicans alone for the millions of lives lost.

I'm not just talking about the wars they've started. Use your head. I know you have one.

You also say that Republicans are being discriminatory against homosexuals and the such. Have you not heard of the Log Cabin Republicans. Nextly, the Democrats have done virtually nothing to increase equal rights for gays.

That's all you've got? If anything, you're helping to prove my point. Gay Republicans might make some of the same financial mistakes the straight Republicans do, but they can't be homophobes by and large. And if they have any ties whatsoever to the conservative religious fanatics- let that be on their own heads.

Fox News may be neo-conservative propaganda, but who says CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC, and all the other stations arn't either? All the fomer stations follow these three basic guidelines: ommission of the facts and occurances, submission to political figures' wishes, and distortion of the facts.

I never said the other news sources weren't biased. Look, if you don't understand what I'm saying - why don't you ask a question. Assuming is a foolish thing to do. I'm smart enough to know everybody lies in the media. I am an American. We all know that. It's just that some of us choose to ignore it. But still, Fox News happens to be the worst.

And don't try to use silly words like "diatribe" on me. It's a very desperate way of trying to discredit me because you don't like what I have to say.

[castleinthesky]

it seems to me that all you want to do is blame the Republicans for everything that is occuring in this country.

Only the ones who have contributed to this country becoming the mess it is today.

The Big government of the Democrats that began under Wilson and FDR has compounded leading the government and this country to being where it is today. George W. Bush has more similarity with those two leaders than he does Ronald Raegan. The 2 Party system has caused the problems today.

Don't blame Republicans alone for the millions of lives lost.

I'm not just talking about the wars they've started. Use your head. I know you have one.

Please elaborate. If we're not talking about wars, what are we talking about? Are we talking about the millions that have been killed by abortion or the death penalty? I'm pretty sure both parties, again are for both of those. In the case of aboriton, I know Democrats love it, and some Republicans do too. In the case of capital punishment, I know that both parties favor it.

If you're referring to something else besides those or the wars, say it.

You also say that Republicans are being discriminatory against homosexuals and the such. Have you not heard of the Log Cabin Republicans. Nextly, the Democrats have done virtually nothing to increase equal rights for gays.

That's all you've got? If anything, you're helping to prove my point. Gay Republicans might make some of the same financial mistakes the straight Republicans do, but they can't be homophobes by and large. And if they have any ties whatsoever to the conservative religious fanatics- let that be on their own heads.

There are millions of homophobic Democrats. There are many religiously fanatic Democrats. This is a moot point, really. Democrats are as much or even more to blame.

[Lazario]

If we're not talking about wars, what are we talking about? Are we talking about the millions that have been killed by abortion or the death penalty? I'm pretty sure both parties, again are for both of those. In the case of aboriton, I know Democrats love it, and some Republicans do too. In the case of capital punishment, I know that both parties favor it.

If you're referring to something else besides those or the wars, say it.

I don't have to say it. If you're intelligent, you won't assume.

Your choosing to bring up abortion is so pathetic, it borders on sickening. You disgust me. Abortion is a necessary thing regardless of how it may shock people like you. You have no right to compare it to the casualties of war. Your doing so, especially in this flippant a manner seriously degrades you as a human being. Capital punishment is necessary as well. I'm not talking about guilty people here. How can you compare people trying to serve their country to people who murder people?

I told you to use your brain. Read what I said. Are these simple instructions confusing to you? But if you support the Republicans, you might be as clueless as they are. Therefore, you won't gain anything from getting into a discussion. And you do not look tough by "trying" to correct me.

There are millions of homophobic Democrats.

You must think you sound really smart by saying that. Now I have a question for you... How many Democrats do you think there are in America?

There are many religiously fanatic Democrats.

How many conservatively-religious fanatic Democrats do you think there are in America?

This is a moot point, really. Democrats are as much or even more to blame.

Are you insane? Don't be afraid to tell us the truth. We'll be supportive. We won't judge you. You're among friends here. Do you see things that other people around you often cannot see, such as objects moving by their own accord? Do you have dreams when you're awake? And wear a hat made of solid ice - all day, every day?

[castleinthesky]

I love you Lazario!

You're a great personality.

There is really no debate left.

[Lazario]

I greatly care for your company as well - it is never anything less than a sincere pleasure.

[Mr. Toad]

Yet another thread that had a purpose that has been hijacked

[Prudence]

So, I'm at this toy store, looking at a doll of Cinderella's prince and in the process of being flabbergasted at how "off" that doll is because it has very light brown hair and blue eyes. Dolly looked more like offspring of Cinderella and the Prince than like the Prince himself.

While I am pondering these things, I hear a man call to his child, "Son, come over here!" to show him a toy. More accurately, the dialog went as so:

Man: "Son, come over here! Come look at -- NO GUNS! NO! PUT THE GUN UP, SON! PUT THE GUN UP NOW! We don't believe in guns!"
Boy, about age four that had found a water gun: "What?"
Man: "WE DON'T BELIEVE IN GUNS! PUT THE GUN UP OR WE ARE NEVER COMING BACK! You can buy a gun with your momma if you want, but not with me!"

I found a number of things wrong with this. Obviously, the father was screaming in public. Furthermore, his little boy had clearly not upset him on purpose and was very confused. The father had explained nothing and only yelled. What bugged me the most was the lack of a united parental front. After all that he said about not believing in guns, he said his son could buy a gun with his mother? That is bizarre!

It is also bizarre to say you don't believe in guns. That makes one sound like a foolish person who denies that guns exist.

Now, I'm all for the right for many people to bare arms, but I have no idea how to draw a line between who should and who shouldn't. Things are never black-and-white enough to have a truly simple government, unfortunately. Heh, it's not entirely unfortunate. If things were so simple that all economic problems actually did stem from Democratic presidents, the system would be impossibly bogus. I don't know where people get bull---- ideas like that.

[thomashton]

It's just sad that in his later years he could stick up for gun rights but didn't have the guts to care about people's rights as much as he did for inanimate objects. He let senility get the better of him.

First of all. Way to stay classy L. Really? He let the senility get the better of him. As someone who prides himself on acceptance and tolerance you sure sound quite the opposite. Mean. Spiteful.

Also quoted above is not by far the most asenine thing you posted in this mess of a thread, but clearly points out your lack of thoughtful reasoning and being guided by emotion and virtually a one-track (gay rights) political stance.

"...he could stick up for gun rights but didn't have the guts to care about people's rights as much as he did for inanimate objects."

2nd Ammendment Rights are not rights for the guns or any inanimate objects. That's just silly. They are the God-given rights--yes rights, not government provided allowances--that provide for each man, and woman to protect him/herself, his/her property, and family. They are HUMAN RIGHTS. Period. It can not be stated any simpler.

[Siren]

Well said thomas.

I don't own a gun. I really don't want to own a gun. I'd like to go to a shooting range sometime and learn how to shoot one. Why? Because I can. *shrugs*

But I do agree with the 2nd amendment. I own other weapons. Swords, daggers, and a bow and arrows. I know how to use all of them. I use to feel more anti-gun, but the more I thought about it. If they take away our right to have guns, they take away my hobby too.

I think the US needs to strengthen their laws on who can own a gun. That gun shows should be strictly regulated, since people can just go there to get a gun so easily. And guns should be sold by true professionals. Not Walmart and Kmart employees.

Charlton Heston himself. I agreed on very few points with him. But I gotta say I respected the man for never wavering in a heated battle. He stuck to his guns (pardon the pun). He never seemed to backtrack or apologize for how he really felt.