Was Lucifer to die in Cinderella?

gdSTUDent · Post by **gdSTUDent** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:18 am

I was watching Cinderella the other day and never really noticed before but after Lucifer falls from the tower you never see him again. We all know he makes his appearance in the new sequels but was he originally intended to die? That was a pretty high tower…

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:15 am

I always thought he lived. Lucifer is a very cartoony characters, so the laws of gravity don't mean much to him. Plus, Lucifer's a cat and he'll land on all fours.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:22 am

He died for sure

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That tower was high so i'm sure he did,i guess it's an error that he appears in the sequels,but as far as i know he wasn't in Twice Charmed.

Billy Moon · Post by **Billy Moon** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:31 am

Anybody who has owned cats knows that a fall like that won't kill them.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:30 am

Well,my uncle's cat jumped from the balcony of the building's 6th floor and she lived,but still

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Maybe he has 9 soulds,Cinderella destoryed one,only 8 left and he's done

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UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:49 am

After Cinderella 3, I'd say he's down to 7.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:54 am

Oh,yeah,7 left to kill that thing

why she dosn't gloves from him?

he"ll be really good gloves

or a carpet

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Jack Skellington · Post by **Jack Skellington** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:08 am

It would be really sad if he did.

I think the Evil Stepmother should have died instead of him, there's a difference between being a pest and being pure evil.

Disney's Divinity · Post by **Disney's Divinity** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:26 am

^

I think that's a bit extreme; the Stepmother is far from "evil." She's the kind of nuisance that you find in your average neighborhood. Showing favorism and being greedy doesn't deserve death by any means. It's almost the same as saying, from Ariel's perspective, Triton deserves to die just because he didn't give her everything that she wanted.

Honestly, when I was younger, I assumed he lived. Like with the Stepmother, death doesn't equal comeuppance in this case.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:34 am

Lady Tremaine locked Cinderella up,tread her horribly and even tried to kill her in Cinderella III,Triton is a loving father.

Jack Skellington · Post by **Jack Skellington** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:38 am

Ariel'sprince wrote:Lady Tremaine locked Cinderella up,tread her horribly and even tried to kill her in Cinderella III,Triton is a loving father.

My point exactly.

Big Disney Fan · Post by **Big Disney Fan** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:11 pm

UmbrellaFish wrote:I always thought he lived. Lucifer is a very cartoony characters, so the laws of gravity don't mean much to him. Plus, Lucifer's a cat and he'll land on all fours.

Even if he didn't land on all fours, he still would have survived. Don't forget, he's a cat. And unless I'm mistaken, cats have nine lives.

steven132 · Post by **steven132** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:10 pm

An article from Disney Adventures for Hunchback it shows all of the Disney Villains who have toppled to their "ends" and Lucifer is one of them along with Gaston, Scar, etc... I think if Lucifer did live they would have kept showing him until he landed and then walked away.

UmbrellaFish · Post by **UmbrellaFish** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:15 pm

steven132 wrote:An article from Disney Adventures for Hunchback it shows all of the Disney Villains who have toppled to their "ends" and Lucifer is one of them along with Gaston, Scar, etc... I think if Lucifer did live they would have kept showing him until he landed and then walked away.

You could argue about Disney Adventure's realiability on that one, but anyway, the part where Lucifer falls out the window is during the climax of the movie, which is centered around Cinderella and the mice. It wouldn't make sense to see Lucifer fall, walk up, and just go about his buisness.

SpringHeelJack · Post by **SpringHeelJack** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:26 pm

Jack Skellington wrote:It would be really sad if he did.
I think the Evil Stepmother should have died instead of him, there's a difference between being a pest and being pure evil.

I don't see how exactly she could have died. Unless she suddenly jumped up once the slipper fit and shouted "I think I'm having a sudden cardiac arrest!" and fell over.

Seriously, isn't it worse for her to live miserably? Being a villain doesn't always have to equal dying.

Flanger-Hanger · Post by **Flanger-Hanger** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:01 pm

SpringHeelJack wrote: Unless she suddenly jumped up once the slipper fit and shouted "I think I'm having a sudden cardiac arrest!" and fell over.
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Cue cheesy soap opera organ music: "What a twist!"

Still I always assumed he did die and was bothered by the fact he was in number 2 at first. I don't mind him though in number 3, especially when he became that creepy coachman.

Ariel'sprince · Post by **Ariel'sprince** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 1:46 am

SpringHeelJack wrote:
Jack Skellington wrote:It would be really sad if he did.
I think the Evil Stepmother should have died instead of him, there's a difference between being a pest and being pure evil.
I don't see how exactly she could have died. Unless she suddenly jumped up once the slipper fit and shouted "I think I'm having a sudden cardiac arrest!" and fell over.

Seriously, isn't it worse for her to live miserably? Being a villain doesn't always have to equal dying.

I always she killed herself after Cinderella left to the castle

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Mayhem · Post by **Mayhem** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 4:21 am

Bringing the real world in here for a mo, shorter falls are actually more likely to kill cats because they don't have enough time to orientate themselves properly and slow the rate of their descent down. Anything over about seven stories the cat has a greater than average chance to live because it can spread itself out and literally try to glide itself to the ground.

gdSTUDent · Post by **gdSTUDent** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 6:56 am

They really should have shown him land in a bail of hay, a drum full of water, something…

I guess he could have survived. Disney just has a long list of villains dying from high falls. And when he was falling, he slowly faded out signifying the end. I dunno, I guess we will never know for sure.

Disney Duster · Post by **Disney Duster** » Fri Feb 29, 2008 12:53 pm

Disney's Divinity wrote:Honestly, when I was younger, I assumed he lived. Like with the Stepmother, death doesn't equal comeuppance in this case.

I need you. I read a review that once said "the comeuppance of Cinderella's tormentors the real happily-ever-after of the piece", which I will look into when I re-watch the film, personally Cinderella's wedding felt pretty happy, too. So would you say the shock at Cinderella getting her happily-ever-after is the villain's comeuppance?

But I read countlessly that Walt Disney hated cats, and thought they were evil, and this makes me think Disney may have killed Lucifer. Also, more importantly, every villain who falls has died. It continued into Sleeping Beauty. Someone said it's supposed to represent the Fall from Grace or Lucifer falling from Heaven to become the Devil. OMG. Lucifer. Well, if that doesn't convince you...

I think the logic of cats landing on their feet or gliding to safety may not apply, because Disney doesn't always gets things right (or chooses to ignore things). It wouldn't make sense for the King to give the Grand Duke a knighthood because a duke is above a knight. Aurora and Phillip can't waltz because waltzes didn't exist in the renaissance.

HOWEVER...I'M personally going to believe Lucifer survived, because I like him. And we don't actually see him die. That's one great thing about Disney, you can interpret it in different ways and believe what you want...to extents. Perhaps it actually was left up to the audience to decide?!

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