Shakeup in Imagineering -- New Rides?

All topics relating to Disney theme parks, resorts, and cruises.
Post Reply
User avatar
Disney-Fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3381
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 am
Location: Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense
Contact:

Shakeup in Imagineering -- New Rides?

Post by Disney-Fan »

From a read over at WDWMagic.com:
Much has happened since I posted out Anaheim report. The most important of course being the shake up at WDI. While this is a good thing, it also puts several projects into limbo. Most of these proposals are making it through the design or approval phase anyway and with a new regime it calls into question everything. The new leaders will want to look at most of these proposals before going ahead... so I don't want anyone e-mailing me about "creating from thin air" what is mentioned in this article. If what is mentioned doesn't happen... don't blame the messenger. Things change fast at WDI...

That being said, I like what is happening with the restructuring within the walls of 1401 Flower Street. As some of you may have already heard, former Research and Development Vice President Bruce Vaughn is now in the position that Chief Creative Executive Tom Fitzgerald. Vaughn is well liked within the company and a strong advocate of the creative process over the bureacratic process that has built up under Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald will still be working at WDI focusing on the oversight of show development, story integration and uh, um "blue sky" brainstorming process.

Craig Russell, former Vice President of Environmental Design and Show Engineering is now Chief Design and Delivery Executive at WDI. The former WDI President Don Goodman moves out of WDI and into his new role as executive Vice President for resort development. His position is something akin to recreating the Disney Development Company that designed the hotels for the company in the 80's before Eisner combined it with the rest of Imagineering. It appears that it will still be part of the company, but a seperate unit ran by Goodman and the very well liked, Wing Chao. The role Goodman had as President will not be refilled. Some people think that John Lasseter will partially take over this job in an unofficial capacity.

The new structure is great because it will do for WDI what Lasseter and Catmull have done for WDAS, with is to eliminate the layers of bureacracy and middle management that the creatives have to go through to get something done. From now on, Tony Baxter, Joe Rohde and Joe Lanzisero along with other Creative Executives will report directly to Vaughn. As Jim Hill reported, one of Vaughn's comments were "we are no longer going to design rides we don't build". This could be great news since WDI literally designs hundreds upon hundreds of attractions that literally never see the light of day. Unless the Oriental Land Company builds them, of course. This offers a light of hope on projects that got stuck in the approval process over the years because of political back stabbing, but the road ahead is not yet clear so we'll have to wait and let the dust settle. A whole new world may have opened up for Walt Disney Imagineering though...

A lot is going on at the Reedy Creek Improvement District, aka: Walt Disney World. The Walt Disney Company is trying to maximize it's profits without having to put a great deal more expense which is why we heard the announcement of those two projects that would be on the property, but not created by the property. With the Four Seasons at WDW and the Westward Way expansion, they intend on getting as much out of partnering with others while not having to incure the expense associated with the new hotels, shopping centers and developed co-ops.

As for what Disney themselves are doing, we have the progression of the DVC units being build near the Animal Kingdom Lodge and the new addition to the Contemporary that some have dubbed: the Watergate Tower. While I may not be estatic about the look of the tower, I don't take as much offense as other to the design. The Animal Kingdom DVC expansion is something I absolutely love, on the other hand.

There are two other properties being looked at for DVC opportunities, but it's in the early phase and will likely not see any announcements until late 2009.

A new, third themed water park is making its way through the approval process. It still has a long ways to go but the plans right now will have it tie the park in with some of Disney's cinematic properties if all is approved. Don't expect to hear anything publicly about this till sometime in mid 2008 at the earliest.

Despite everyone being depressed about the company announcing no current plans for a "Fifth Gate" in the current future, that doesn't mean ideas aren't being discussed. There is plenty of land for future use. Enough in the southern section for at least two full size parks if they are ever approved. There are "blue sky" proposals for a new park. Actually, three have been seen in the halls of WDI. These projects that are in the embryonic proposal phase and could wind up as a fifth park or serve as inspiration for Hong Kong's second gate or even Tokyo. Should the economy keep firing on all cylinders, the proposals will be narrowed down and one could look for an announcement near the beginning of the next decade. That puts the completion of a fifth park somewhere in the ball park of 2014-2015. Just in time for the preperations for the 45th anniversary of the park. How coincidental? Hmmm...

MAGIC KINGDOM

The Magic Kingdom is the park with the least going on. At least from my sources at WDI. This could all be thrown around now that the new structure is being put in place over on Flower Street, but the full effect of the reorganization won't be clear until summer is over. As for now, there are proposals for a new parade that would corrispond with some additional entertainment, but otherwise the next "E" ticket isn't planned for at least 2009. Lasseter and crew have a couple propsals that are being pitched about but nothing is concrete at the moment. As far as it being a Pixar ride, I'm sure some of you are thinking of asking... well, as of now the proposal's don't involve creations from Disney's Emeryville branch. In fact, of the two proposals my sources know of, one involves a "classic" Disney character and the other is something entirely different. Hopefully, if Disneyland's new Christmas overlay works out well it will be applied to Orlando's castle as well, but we won't know for sure till early next year.

EPCOT

By now, everyone knows that Epcot's Spaceship Earth will open next year with a brand new interior and from what people have seen so far it's a great redo. From one of my sources, the new attraction will really entertain guest in the best "Epcot" way. Talk continues about "THE WAND" coming down. The decision hasn't been made official, but signs are good that it could come down by next year... so cross your fingers. There are a couple prominent ideas for Epcot's next "E" ticket, but within departments, it won't see daylight till 2010 probably.

Over in World Showcase, there is a faction within WDI that wants to address some of the eyesores that disrupt the view of the lands. No, I'm not talking about the Dolphin and Swan... that requires more radical surgery. But there is momentum from a group of Imagineers to reintroduce a proposal to retheme the back of Soarin' to the Canadian Rockies which would hide the show building and give the area another "E" ticket ride simular to DCA's GRR. Other areas are supposed to be addressed if the plan goes through, again... these are "blue sky" proposal's so it'll all depend on the new management and how much they desire to fix the mistakes of the past.

DISNEY-PIXAR STUDIOS

Disney-MGM Studios, or as we will be calling it soon, Disney-Pixar Studios has the most promising future ahead of it. With the park meandering as to what it's identity has been over the last few years it is slated to get a good deal of attention over the next couple years. The name will not be the only rebranding of the park. A direction as to what kind of park it is will begin in the fall with the expected announcement of the name change. Once that is done there will be some major changes in theme and design in various parts of the studio. Lasseter himself has expressed an interest in refocusing the park towards a much more family friendly movie experience. Expect at least one and possibly two "E" tickets and two to four "C" or "D" tickets to be approved in the next year or so that will focus on making the experience one has when entering the former MGM park, a truly memorable one. Some of these projects will have a direct impact on WDW's sister park in Anaheim. What projects am I talking about. Well let me just give you their innitials... ST 2.0 and IJ4. How's that for a tease? These will be a huge draw for the studio when all this is said and done around... 2011. There's that year again. Sorry, my lips are sealed. There'll be nothing else for now...

The results of Expedition Everest are a great sign for Animal Kingdom. However, the high expense of the ride itself has been an inhibitor in bringing forward that most holy grail of DAK projects: Beastly Kingdom. There is still a small group within WDI that wants to do BK, but the amount of money it will cost has many managers hesitant to put that much capital into such an attraction. The wildcard in this is Lasseter. While it is not known if he will champion BK, he is much in favor of creating rides that immerse the guest and doesn't seem interested in throwing out mediocre attractions to simply have WDI keep busy. There are Imagineers who have been trying to get one of several small scale theming proposals for Dinoland approved, but under the old management the approval was moving at a snails pace. Perhaps the new leadership will allow these blue sky proposals which would take away the gharish, carnival atmosphere and give the area a more atmospheric touch to move forward? Clearly the days of Paul Pressler are over. The recent changes in WDI and the rising stock of Joe Rohde could bring BK out of the shadows and onto the fast track. At the very least, Joe's position means DAK will be receiving a disproportional amount of attention over the next few years.

Well, that's all I can relate without getting caught in Disney's dragnet or having my friends shot. Hope you enjoyed it and have a great Memorial Day weekend. Stay tuned for more updates later in June...
While some of it, at this point, is wild speculation I thought this was an interesting read. Thoughts, comments?

Source: Blue Sky Disney Blog
"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." - The Joker
User avatar
blackcauldron85
Ultimate Collector's Edition
Posts: 16691
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:54 am
Gender: Female
Contact:

Post by blackcauldron85 »

Yay, more rides!!!

When it says "the next 'E' ticket isn't planned for at least 2009", does that mean that the ride will start being constructed in 2009, or it'll be opening in 2009?

Yay about the wand (hopefully) coming down! It's kind of weird.

So, when they say they might "retheme the back of Soarin' to the Canadian Rockies", do they mean not only make it look like the Canadian Rockies, but put in a new attraction themed around the Canadian Rockies (since it mentiones "another 'E' ticket ride similar to DCA's GRR")???


So, it's pretty much confirmed that Disney-MGM will soon be Disney-Pixar. Since Pixar is already taking over the other parks, will MGM be taken over by Pixar, too? Will all new attractions (besides the "one that involves a 'classic' Disney character") be Pixar-themed? That's just wrong...Disney has...probably 100+ movies they could utilize, and Pixar has...8 so far? :roll:

But, I like the part that says "Expect at least one and possibly two 'E' tickets and two to four "C" or "D" tickets to be approved in the next year"...we know about Toy Story Mania, but is that included in this 3-6 mew attractions? That's really exciting! I like MGM, but it kind of can use some more rides.

It'd be awesome if Beastly Kiindgom came to be!!! YAY!!! I wonder what the "small scale theming proposals for Dinoland" would be...taking out the pay-to-play carnival games would be a start...I see many kids with toys from that area, but (a) it's not fair for families who are on a tight budget and who can't afford to play games (especially if they have a few children), and (b) Disney gets enough money- it makes the area cheap to have to pay to do such a public thing. If they themed the area with Disney dinosaurs (I guess from "Dinosaur" & that's it? What about the Sinclairs...maybe this is a bad idea?)...would they get rid of Chester & Hester?

Good find, Disney-Fan! Thanks for sharing!
Image
User avatar
Disney-Fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3381
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 am
Location: Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense
Contact:

Post by Disney-Fan »

blackcauldron85 wrote:When it says "the next 'E' ticket isn't planned for at least 2009", does that mean that the ride will start being constructed in 2009, or it'll be opening in 2009?
Probably construction. I could be wrong though.
blackcauldron85 wrote:So, when they say they might "retheme the back of Soarin' to the Canadian Rockies", do they mean not only make it look like the Canadian Rockies, but put in a new attraction themed around the Canadian Rockies (since it mentiones "another 'E' ticket ride similar to DCA's GRR")???
I was under the impression that they'd just paint it so it would match the theme. As for a ride to go along with Canada, that's a pretty old rumor. I'm kinda hoping it is indeed true but somewhat doubt it.
blackcauldron85 wrote:Disney has...probably 100+ movies they could utilize, and Pixar has...8 so far? :roll:
I agree completely. My love for Pixar is huge but there's just been way too much of 'em recently.
blackcauldron85 wrote:Good find, Disney-Fan! Thanks for sharing!
You're welcome. It got me all giddy inside, I thought I'd share the feeling with you guys! :D

As for MGM's new rides. I would love if they branched out with famous franchises like they did with the Lucas films. Indy and Star Wars is great, but just imagine a James Bond ride, The Wizard of Oz etc. Even better; The Great Musical Movie ride! Oh the potential. I hope Disney gets more creative than just new Pixar themed rides (speaking of: The Incredibles!! PLEASE).
"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." - The Joker
User avatar
GhostHost
Gold Classic Collection
Posts: 301
Joined: Wed Aug 31, 2005 10:31 pm

Post by GhostHost »

I love Pixar, but I don't want every ride build in the forseable future to be based on a Pixar movie. I think there are a lot better possibles with regular Disney movies. Imagaine a Black Cauldron ride, now that would be awesome. A ride not based on a moive such as the rides, The Haunted Mansion and Pirates of the Carribbean would be awesome. The reason rides likee California Screamin' aren't very good is because they have no personality to them (not because they aren't based on a movie). The Haunted Mansion and POTC have personality.
Wlecome, foolish mortals, to the Haunted Mansion.
I am your host, your ghost host
Is this haunted room actally stretching or is it just your imagination?
Beware of Hitchiking Ghosts
-The Haunted Mansion(DL and MK)
User avatar
blackcauldron85
Ultimate Collector's Edition
Posts: 16691
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:54 am
Gender: Female
Contact:

Post by blackcauldron85 »

GhostHost wrote:Imagaine a Black Cauldron ride, now that would be awesome.
I agree...I envision a TBC ride to be a dark ride...which would be kind of similiar to Snow White's Scary Adventures, though. In Tokyo DL, TBC was featured in their castle tour, but that since has been closed. :(
Image
User avatar
Super Aurora
Diamond Edition
Posts: 4835
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:59 am

Post by Super Aurora »

one thing I don't get is this "E" or "C" ticket thing. Some one explain me that?

Also are they saying they going to make a 5th theme park in Disney World or new Theme park in another Disneyland park?(Tokyo, HK,etc). If it's IS in Disney World, and since it said water based theme park, I would love them doing something similar to Disney Tokyo Sea cause that look like anwesome park especially the details and quality of it.
<i>Please limit signatures to 100 pixels high and 500 pixels wide</i>
http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o68 ... ecf3d2.gif
User avatar
blackcauldron85
Ultimate Collector's Edition
Posts: 16691
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 7:54 am
Gender: Female
Contact:

Post by blackcauldron85 »

E-ticket rides are the most popular/thrilling rides (think the Mountains at Magic Kingdom).

Back in the day, Disneyland (and WDW??) had ticket books, and there would be A, B, C, D, & E tickets- A being the most tame attractions, and E being the most exciting attractions. Even though they're not in use anymore, the thrilling rides are still referred to as "E-ticket" rides.
Image
Timon/Pumbaa fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3675
Joined: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:45 pm

Post by Timon/Pumbaa fan »

Disney-Fan wrote: As for MGM's new rides. I would love if they branched out with famous franchises like they did with the Lucas films. Indy and Star Wars is great, but just imagine a James Bond ride, The Wizard of Oz etc. Even better; The Great Musical Movie ride! Oh the potential.
Or even better than all those ideas combined, a Pink Panther dark ride! When that gets built, I'll pretty much die! :D
I hope Disney gets more creative than just new Pixar themed rides (speaking of: The Incredibles!! PLEASE).
I know this isn't from Mr. Reliable, but according to Jim Hill
The Mouse reportedly can't get its hands on any additional Kuka arms for theme park use 'til at least 2017. Which definitely puts the kibosh on that "Incredibles" -themed "E" Ticket that the Imagineers were hoping to build. Which was to have gotten underway in a suitably incredible fashion. In that guests were first to board this free-standing ride vehicle that wasn't attached to anything. Then this enormous robotic arm was to have reached down from above and attached itself to the top of this vehicle. Then that robotic arm was to have lifted that ride vehicle that was now full of guests up (in front of everyone who was still waiting in this attraction's queue, mind you) and then carried it up out of sight into that show building.

Talk about your dramatic ways to start a ride! So why didn't Disney ever go forward with construction of this particular attraction? As one Disney official who was familiar with this project recently explained to me:

"(This proposed ride system) required the vehicle to connect and disconnect from the arm and no Kuka arm (to date) was capable of handling the capacity of a loaded concept vehicle. A more viable Kuka system had been under development by a more credible Imagineering group. With at least a couple of years co-development with Kuka on a custom-built, heavy-duty arm that could hold over 6 passengers. A mock-up, using the off-the-shelf arm, was presented to all sorts of Disney executives, including Eisner, Iger and Rasulo – and a lot of others from different parks. That mock-up supposedly had a 'Harry Potter' element.

'The Incredibles' version was a blue sky concept that, while looking like a out-of-the-box breakthrough, just wasn’t feasible."
User avatar
Disney-Fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3381
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 am
Location: Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense
Contact:

Post by Disney-Fan »

:( Disappointing, but then again, I don't really trust Mr. Jim Hill.
While we're on the subject of new rides, what was the point of purchasing the rights for the Muppets characters if they aren't to be used in the parks more often? How about a new 3D movie? Better yet, how about that rumored Great Muppet Movie Ride (seriously, this was a strong rumor not-so-long ago)?
"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." - The Joker
PapiBear

Post by PapiBear »

blackcauldron85 wrote:E-ticket rides are the most popular/thrilling rides (think the Mountains at Magic Kingdom).

Back in the day, Disneyland (and WDW??) had ticket books, and there would be A, B, C, D, & E tickets- A being the most tame attractions, and E being the most exciting attractions. Even though they're not in use anymore, the thrilling rides are still referred to as "E-ticket" rides.
I actually wish they'd bring back ticket books as an option. OK, so it's probably impractical and goes against the conventional wisdom of the amusement industry, but I don't care. I liked those ticket books. They made me appreciate the attractions more. I want new ones, as well as individual tickets and ticket booths in each land, like there used to be. It'd bring back a little of that "state fair" feeling to the parks. The fact that the term "E-ticket" is still being used and younger Disney fans (as exemplified above) don't even understand what the term means is pathetic, I think, but I can't blame the younger ones. Not their fault they don't know.
User avatar
neurotic_Donald_Duck
Limited Issue
Posts: 70
Joined: Sun May 27, 2007 5:45 pm
Location: Alberta, Canada

Post by neurotic_Donald_Duck »

As long as the parks keep getting bigger and better, I'll be happy!

It's ridiculous to remain MGM studios, thats a senseless move.
"As a specimen, yes, I'm intimidating!"
User avatar
PeterPanfan
Diamond Edition
Posts: 4553
Joined: Thu Apr 19, 2007 1:43 pm
Location: USA
Contact:

Post by PeterPanfan »

Walt Disney World wouldn't be the same if they replaced Disney's MGM Studios.

Think of all the semi-Disney parents...I seriously doubt they would consider going to a PIXAR themed park. Unless they made rides based off their shorts...it's not going to happen!

Some rides they should add that would be AWESOME are:

The Black Cauldron ride
Sleeping Beauty ride
I think that a Meet the Robinsons ride would be pretty cool...if they made one xD
Muppets Movie ride would be pretty cool.
I've always thought that WDW or DL should make a ride based off of horror movies. That would be awesome!
User avatar
Super Aurora
Diamond Edition
Posts: 4835
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:59 am

Post by Super Aurora »

I didn't get an anwser from this question so anyone clarify it clearer:

Are they saying they going to make a 5th theme park in Disney World or new Theme park in another Disneyland park?(Tokyo, HK,etc)


Because if it is a 5th park for DisneyWorld I hope they make some similar to Tokyo Sea which I would find really cool.
<i>Please limit signatures to 100 pixels high and 500 pixels wide</i>
http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o68 ... ecf3d2.gif
User avatar
Disney-Fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3381
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 am
Location: Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense
Contact:

Post by Disney-Fan »

5th resort park. Another worldly park woud equal park #6. :)
"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." - The Joker
User avatar
Super Aurora
Diamond Edition
Posts: 4835
Joined: Wed Oct 04, 2006 7:59 am

Post by Super Aurora »

Disney-Fan wrote:5th resort park. Another worldly park woud equal park #6. :)
So I assume this resort park is for DisneyWorld correct? Since that probably the only place with enough land to expand.
<i>Please limit signatures to 100 pixels high and 500 pixels wide</i>
http://i1338.photobucket.com/albums/o68 ... ecf3d2.gif
User avatar
Disney-Fan
Platinum Edition
Posts: 3381
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:59 am
Location: Where it's flat and immense and the heat is intense
Contact:

Post by Disney-Fan »

Yes. Save for Hong Kong, all the resorts have 2 parks so expansion would mean 3rd parks.
"See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve." - The Joker
User avatar
Loomis
Signature Collection
Posts: 6357
Joined: Fri Apr 18, 2003 4:44 pm
Location: Sydney, Australia ... where there is no Magic Kingdom :(
Contact:

Post by Loomis »

I just wish those Imagineering efforts would be channeled into Hong Kong.

It only has one park. It is little, and broken, but good. Yah, still good.
Behind the Panels - Comic book news, reviews and podcast
The Reel Bits - All things film
Twitter - Follow me on Twitter
Post Reply