I know that the VHS of "The Lion King" is the original version...there are changes on the TLK DVD. The TLM VHS has the original film, while the DVD at least has the priest's scene edited (is that it?). B&tB's original version is on the DVD, right? Where the second half is "dirty" and without "Human Again"? Just as it is on the VHS?
Are there any other instances where Disney changed the content, at all, from theater to VHS to DVD? I know that "Arabian Nights" is changed on both the VHS and DVD of "Aladdin". But in other movies, has anything been changed?
In America, can you buy the unedited package films on VHS?
I know that in "Pocahontas" anniversary DVD edition, the "If I Never Knew You" song sequence has been added but you can still find the original version on the same DVD.
In the Lon King DVD the scene with the stars spelling the word "sex" has been changed.
In "Who framed Roger Rabbit" the scene with Jessica's dress has been changed also in the DVD release.
I've also heard about a sex "scandal" about the "Rescuers" but i don't know exactly what and don't know if it's changed in the Gold Collection DVD.
They also took off the apparently sexual reference ("Good teenagers take off their clothes" or something like that) in the balcony scene on the Aladdin DVD.
sotiris2006 wrote:I know that in "Pocahontas" anniversary DVD edition, the "If I Never Knew You" song sequence has been added but you can still find the original version on the same DVD.
In the Lon King DVD the scene with the stars spelling the word "sex" has been changed.
In "Who framed Roger Rabbit" the scene with Jessica's dress has been changed also in the DVD release.
I've also heard about a sex "scandal" about the "Rescuers" but i don't know exactly what and don't know if it's changed in the Gold Collection DVD.
Thanks for letting me know about WFRR!
Here's a link to where the "scandal" in "The Rescuers" is: http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/rescuers.htm
That's an unfortunate situation, what happened with that. But it's not like it's a part of the film at all.
Beauty and The Beast has been changed. First they fixed the Beast's double "you wanna" when he tells Belle "you wanna, you wanna stay up in the tower" (I don't know why I really liked how he said it originally). They also added blood to the Beast's arm when he's bitten by the wolfes. All these changes really bother me, but a lot people seem to like them ( have no idea why?)
Bambi's diappearing racoon at the end when all the animals are swimming to safety after the forset fire.
In Cinderella they added a sleeve to the Stepmothers dress. I consider anything a change that wasn't originally in the Film.
Thanks, myr_heille and Beatboyravenz! This is really helpful.
And, Beastboyravenz, I agree, I consider anything a change that wasn't originally in the film, too.
I've probably said this before, but I wish Disney would make a child friendly version just for Family and kids, they can do whatever they want to those versions. Then they could make an uncut unedited version for collectors and fans, that would have original color palettes etc. It wouldn't cost that much ( Disney is rich), they can make a limited number of the Collectors uncut unedited editions. This is probably me going into spcae, but I also hope that for the uncut unedited editions that they put them in tins like the walt Disney Treasures. This is probably asking for too much, but hey! nothings impossible with Disney. I'll always have faith that they will release those elusive original versions on DVD or future formats.
I don't think it was changed, per se, moreso enhanced. Mainly, because "Aladdin" was going to be re-released in IMAX, but after "Beauty and the Beast" didn't do as well as hoped, the plans were scrapped. However, animators had already begun the process, which mostly involves sharpening up tiny details shown in the background/distance of the film that aren't noticable on a normal screen but obvious on IMAX. There's an example in the DVD booklet, where it shows Aladdin with a cruder face during the escape from the Cave of Wonders and a more realized face in the after shot.
<i>The Santa Clause</i> has been edited to remove the reference to 1-800-SPANK-ME.
"Fifteen years from now, when people are talking about 3-D, they will talk about the business before 'Monsters vs. Aliens' and the business after 'Monsters vs. Aliens.' It's the line in the sand." - Greg Foster, IMAX chairman and president
Soritis2006 I have a link to a thread I made a while back regarding Aladdin and other Disney movies that were changed. If you start from page 1 you'll find a list Escapay did, which lists the various changes these films underwent ( which to me is dissapointing).
Link: This link is to a page were they show the animation they redrew. enhancing a movie is far different than re drawing a scene.
I'm looking for the thread that has pics comapring the Cinderella laser disc to the dvd. In that thread they show the changes Lowry did. For some strange reason I can't find it, maybe I'm just not looking hard enough. I was hoping someone could do the same for Snow White, in the Snow White thread I recently bumped, hope someone will eventually.
There's also the ones that not only never appeared on DVD, but never even appeared on VHS! Which are: "Where they cut off your ear, if they don't like your face" line from Aladdin, and Michael Eisner's phone number in Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Where was the Spankme line in the Ssnta Clause? Was it on the VHS?
Were Cinderella and Bambi changed on the LD's? I don't see why or how they could change footage on those older films. THey are what they are. How can elements be added or subtracted from them?
UncleEd wrote:Where was the Spankme line in the Ssnta Clause? Was it on the VHS?
It WAS included on the Laserdisc, so I presume that any VHS tapes at the time also had it.
It was at the beginning of the film, when Scott's ex was dropping off the kid, and she said something like "We will be over at Neil's parents' house, here is the number, in case of emergency." Scott replied "1-800-Spank Me?? I know that number!!"
There were LOTS of fixes to CINDERELLA in "her" platinum release. Mostly paint errors, out of sequence cels and vanishing cels, along with nearly all the dust and dirt. It was particularly challenging in that one of Cindy's original negatives had gone bad and they had to use a back up negative.
A few Examples:
The last shot of the pink dress construction sequence had the threads the mice slid down vanish for a few frames, then reappear. Fixed.
When opening the drapes in the morning, Cinderella "stuttered" in her walk due to out of sequence cels. Fixed.
While hanging in the chandelier, the kings arms and body "boiled" around the candles and supports (the king and duke were hand inked/registered to the BG). Partially fixed.
When Jacque in kitchen mousehole is saying "Hmmm, no Gus Gus, guess he got away", his white eyeball color dramatically changed shades as he talked. Fixed.
There are many others; Cindy had an unusually high number of paint and camera errors (former due to some staffing difficulties within the Ink-Paint department).
Also, remember that up through Sleeping Beauty, animation drawings were cleaned up (traced over), then traced again in colored ink, then painted. As a result, characters tend to "shimmer" (when Cindy is talking, you can see the tracing of her face is more careful than her body - that's because the animators/inkers knew you, the viewer, would be looking at her face, not her body, and put maximum effort into facial lines). Some shots in Sleeping Beauty were redone multiple times in an attempt to get the inking right.
Now here's a bizzare Cindy change:
When Cindy was released on Video for the first time, somebody decided her chasing Lucifer with the broom was too violent, so they recut the film to show Lucifer bouncing away, then mice walking towards Cindy as she holds the invitation (replacing the scene where she was going after Lucifer broom in hand), then exterior to door opening and Cindy getting message, Cindy closing door, the __same__ scene of the mice walking towards Cindy holding invitation, to view of Cindy studying the invitation.
That stupid change was thrown out when the Laserdisk and second Cindy video release were done.
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kurtadisneyite wrote:There were LOTS of fixes to CINDERELLA in "her" platinum release. Mostly paint errors, out of sequence cels and vanishing cels, along with nearly all the dust and dirt. It was particularly challenging in that one of Cindy's original negatives had gone bad and they had to use a back up negative.
A few Examples:
The last shot of the pink dress construction sequence had the threads the mice slid down vanish for a few frames, then reappear. Fixed.
When opening the drapes in the morning, Cinderella "stuttered" in her walk due to out of sequence cels. Fixed.
While hanging in the chandelier, the kings arms and body "boiled" around the candles and supports (the king was hand inked/registered to the BG as well as they could). Partially fixed.
When Jacque in kitchen mousehole is saying "Hmmm, no Gus Gus, guess he got away", his white eyeball color dramatically changed shades as he talked. Fixed.
There are many others; Cindy had an unusually high number of paint and camera errors (former due to some staffing difficulties within the Ink-Paint department).
Now here's a bizzare Cindy change:
When Cindy was released on Video for the first time, somebody decided her chasing Lucifer with the broom was too violent, so they recut the film to show Lucifer bouncing away, then mice walking towards Cindy as she holds the invitation (replacing the scene where she was going after Lucifer broom in hand), then exterior to door opening and Cindy getting message, Cindy closing door, the __same__ scene of the mice walking towards Cindy holding invitation, to view of Cindy studying the invitation.
That stupid change was thrown out when the Laserdisk and second Cindy video release were done.
i didn't know about these facts. where did u find out about them. interesting especially the recut part.
Since you've worked on some of the Disney DVD's, could you offer an opinion/observation why some films DVD releases were treated with lots of respect (Fantasia, Snow White, Atlantis) while most others only get mostly watered down bonus features (Cinderella, Beauty & the Beast, Lion King) Oh, there's always a few gems in there but the earlier releases were comprehensive behind the scenes and documentary heavy releases. For a time a few releases didn't even have that. Why does Disney do this?
Also, why don't they always import all the laserdisc bonus features onto the DVD's? For example, I understand the Alice in Wonderland laserdisc contained some more songs and other material not ported over to the DVD. Why only do some and not all? I'd think this would be a no brainer since the material is already digitized. I've started buying old laserdiscs on ebay just so I can get all the old material even though I have no player yet. I can't wait to see the Hunchback features and hear the original Pocahontas commentary.
I hope you can answer my questions. These are two I've pondered for years and I'm a big Disney fan and supporter. It would be great to finally know the official reasons.
Artists who occasionally work on DVD's often don't know the politics and/or management decisions that determine a given DVDs' content, but they __always__ sign very restrictive NDAs' regarding the work they do on each DVD. So there is little they can say about specific titles.
But I can offer some general observations;
The decision for including older bonus features in part hinges on how those older features "fit in" with the new project/release. Does the DVD producer want to recycle older stuff or create something totally new? The limited real estate on DVD's compounds the problem.
One factor detrmining space available on the DVD is quality of the feature's encoding. If the producer/authoring house decides on the highest encoding quality, a lot of DVD space gets used, to the point that perhaps a double sided or double layer DVD is needed. Trouble is, double sided DVDs' can't be labeled, double layered DVD's are somewhat less compatable with older players, and both cost more.
In any event, Disney goes for very high quality encoding in their releases.
I suspect Cinderella III, given its digital orgins (all that hand drawing/BG painting went through a sophisicated computer paint / compositing system straight to digital master), will be extremely clean looking.
As for my "knowledge" of Cindy Original, let's just say I learned a lot during my brief late-70's employment within one Disney division (__not__ animation) and from some pleasant interviews with the surviving 9 old men.
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