More Silly Symphonies disc 2: MAJOR GLITCH PROBLEM!!

[Owlzindabarn]

I was trying to watch disc two of this set, the color cartoons, and I noticed that every single cartoon was crooked; they all slant to the right a little bit. Look at the very top and very bottom of the screen and you'll see what I'm talking about. It's just the cartoons; none of the extras or menus look like that. So what's going on NOW??? Is it like that on your copies??? Is Disney going to replace them? I think they should, because as I see it, this is a very major problem and I'm very unhappy with this disc!!

[slave2moonlight]

Interesting. Anyone else having this problem? I hope not. I won't be able to watch my sets until I get them as Christmas gifts...

[Tannerman]

The folks over at HomeTheaterForum.com have been discussing this a little. Might be more than a one-time issue.

[Mr. Toad]

Hope Luke does not mind linking to another forum(if you do just go ahead and delete this)

There discussion currently isnt any more than ours but it does confirm that more than one person had the problem.

Link deleted. It is in the post above.

[Pluto Region1]

Wow, really? These could literally sit unopened on my credenza for at least a year, so I'm glad you guys are discussing this here or I'd never know. Someone in the TLA thread had talked about a poor restoration. Billy Moon posted:

"Wait til you get to Prowlers of the Everglades. Whoever restored it is either color blind or extremely sloppy, for they have managed to mix up the color channels. The correct colors can be seen by switching the red and blue channels. But I think it's only possible if you use a component video signal." This is posted at:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... &start=220

I was wondering if Disney ever recalls DVDs due to restoration issues. Do you think they would? I've never heard of them doing that before.

How bad is the slant and how many other people at the forum who bought the set is experiencing the same problem?

[TheSequelOfDisney]

There isn't anything wrong with mine. It isn't like what you posted. On my family's big screen, they are bars on 3 of the 4 sides (all except the top), other than that, it's perfect.

[darth_deetoo]

Wow, really? These could literally sit unopened on my credenza for at least a year, so I'm glad you guys are discussing this here or I'd never know. Someone in the TLA thread had talked about a poor restoration. Billy Moon posted:

"Wait til you get to Prowlers of the Everglades. Whoever restored it is either color blind or extremely sloppy, for they have managed to mix up the color channels. The correct colors can be seen by switching the red and blue channels. But I think it's only possible if you use a component video signal." This is posted at:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... &start=220

I was wondering if Disney ever recalls DVDs due to restoration issues. Do you think they would? I've never heard of them doing that before.

How bad is the slant and how many other people at the forum who bought the set is experiencing the same problem?

I didn't see anything wrong with Prowlers of the Everglades. It wasn't as good quality as the other features on that disc, but I certainly don't see how the colour channels could have been switched around. Surely it would cause far more distortion to the colour than what to me, just looks like problems caused by the age of the material. After watching it, I just put it down to this forum member, trying, unsuccessfully, to be funny.

[EricMontreal22]

Hrmm as for slanting and crooked--I noticed this disc windowboxes the cartoons (especially the B&W ones) much more than the first SS disc did. (I'm no home theatre-phile but this is done to avoid overscanning on tvs in fact most tvs overscan so much you still won't see the windowboxed frame) anyway I know on my good but not great tv the tops and bottosm of the screens often slant a bit or unslant especially when there's extreme picture colour contrast (you'll notice it with say a column on the edge of the screen sorta pointing in on the top of the screen)--I'd read somewher ea logn time ago this is common with tvs and resolution etc. I assumed that the windowboxing made it so that the resolution was a bit diff and some of the windowbox frame creeps into the tv frame as a slant on either side, more noticeably in parts (like the B&W cartoons with their extreme contrast). Because the crooked or slantness is not only to one side that seemed ot be the problem to me

But I *really* know no tech stuff so...

As for Prowlers it simply looks unrestored to me--somethign I frankly expected with this wave of releases

E

[Mr. Toad]

I just watched Goddess of Spring, Merrbabies and the China Shop and Owlz is certainly making a far bigger deal out of this than is necessary. Are they crooked - yes but very very slightly. If you were not looking for it you probably would not even notice it in the titles.

Now watching Twas the Night Before Christmas, really have to concentrate on the bottom right hand corner totell. If you look at the top or the center of the picture it is unnocticeable. Was kind of noticeable during the end titles but did not have much of a problem during the actual toon.

[Matt]

Oh no! I hope this isn't true.
I do not want to open my Tin now.

I hope they get this fixed asap!

[Billy Moon]

Surely it would cause far more distortion to the colour than what to me, just looks like problems caused by the age of the material. After watching it, I just put it down to this forum member, trying, unsuccessfully, to be funny.

I promise you I'll succeed when I'm actually trying to be funny. You didn't think the pink/yellow sky and dark red water looked at all strange?

[drsd2kill]

Anyone notice that THE GODDESS OF SPRING is the old transfer found on the SNOW WHITE Laserdisc set - and not the cleaner, brighter version glimpsed in excerpts in the Silly Symphonies featurette on disc 2? Or that the end title in THE MOTH AND THE FLAME changes its windowboxing ratio in the middle of a shot?

[brotherbear]

Well, I finally got around to checking Disk 2 for the "slanting" problem/glitch, and I didn't see anything wrong with mine (after checking shorts listed, and the ones "from the vault" including The Piped Piper, King Neptune, Little Hiawatha, and Goddess of Spring). Could it possibly be the TV your using? I know I have an old (as in, made in the early-mid 90's) full screen TV in my room (my parents don't want to get me personally a new LCD tv yet, so they gave me their old one...despite the fact that we have 3 LCD TV's in our house of varying sizes.. ), and when I plug in my portable DVD player to it, it cuts out part of the bottom and top of the picture of the Silly Symphonies, despite it being a fullscreen TV, and despite what display mode I have the DVD player in (full screen, stretch, etc.)

-BB

[ichabod]

Well I'm still awaiting my treasures, but since this is a problem for some and not for others, It seems to me that it could be a TV issue. For example both of my TVs have a problem with its display like this:



Sorry for the crude image, but it does the job. Now normally with a TV picture having various shapes and lines all over the place, it's not noticeable. But if I zoom out on a DVD to windowbox it, or I watch something with lines going up and down (like bars on a jail etc) then you can see it. Now like I say both TVs in my house do this and I've noticed it on other TVs so it can't be an uncommon problem, but like I say you don't notice it unless there are vertical lines to get distorted. Could this be the case?

If some people say their copies are fine, I can't see why some would be affected and some not, so a DVD player/TV problem sounds more likely. One way fto be certain would be for someone with an "affected" copy to pop in in the DVD drive of the PC and see if it still happens and take some screencaps, then I suppose we could probably confirm it's a disc issue.

[Beastboyravenz]

Have you guys tried viewing these in "progressive scan mode". I'm getting some monster cables after Christmas and it is said by Ktrek that these monster cables make dvd's look better in picture quality. Taking away artefacts, scratches, blemishe etc. They probably won't do much for the scratches on these dvd's, but I think it'll fix some problems the dvd's image have.

[MickeyMouseboy]

Have you guys tried viewing these in "progressive scan mode". I'm getting some monster cables after Christmas and it is said by Ktrek that these monster cables make dvd's look better in picture quality. Taking away artefacts, scratches, blemishe etc. They probably won't do much for the scratches on these dvd's, but I think it'll fix some problems the dvd's image have.

well the cables wont fix the picture from been slanted since that's how the disc was authorized if that is the case.

[Scaramanga]

Just received my set and immediately checked it ... no problems at all. The shorts look wonderfull given their age.

[PixarFan2006]

My Silly Symphonies Set did not have many problems. Some of the title cards though were boxed.

[geekza]

Hi folks. First post.

Monster Cables won't improve your picture unless you were using cruddy cables from the beginning. They are nice cables, but they only transfer the signal that they are given. The truth is that there are cables out there that work just as well and don't require a small bank loan to purchase.

I didn't notice any picture distortion on my disc. Love the set.

[John Pannozzi]

Over at GAC, they say that replacement discs for SS 2 will come in March.