do you approve of changes in disney movies or any movie

[anger is pointless]

i cant stand it when they change classic movies so i refuse to buy a movie if its been tampered with in any way does anyone else do this

examples

the dissapearing racoon baby in bambi has been fixed (why did they do that that mistake is a part of history)

aladdin - when rajah threatens aladdin everyone thinks he says good girls take off thier clothes (i never heard him say that i heard good kitty take off go) but they took out the line anyway sigh

the lion king - they changed the crocs and i think the birds too in the i cant what to be king scenes sigh why couldnt they just leave them alone sigh

the starwars/the empire strikes back and return of the jedi special editions sigh why cant george lucus just leave these movies alone

[Lars Vermundsberget]

I guess it is pretty much irrelevant what I "approve of" or not, but I basically agree with you - although I will not in all cases refuse to buy a title.

All those changes you mentioned are not the same thing, though. The minor mistake they corrected in Bambi is hardly the same as the stupid cuts or edits that sometimes occur because of "political correctness" or complaints from customers - although I probably would have kept the racoon mistake for the sake of history if I were the one to make this sort of decision.

The changing of the "badly drawn" crocodiles in the Lion King is pretty much stupid, in my opinion - I consider them "stylized", not "badly drawn". Wonder if the one who originally drew them had a say in it... The Lion King DVD is therefore a new version, and not the original. For that reason (and others) I'm happy I've still got my laserdisc set of TLK.

[brotherbear]

I generally don't like the changes that Disney has made on their classics either. TLK crocs bother me to no end...like Lars Vermundsberget said, at least i've still got my *VHS* (lol)

Another change you didn't mention in Aladdin was the Arabian Nights song; the lyric "Where they cut off your ear, if they don't like your face". I can understand WHY they cut it, but I dont get why the put that lyric in the song to begin with if it was questionable.

Huh...i never knew about the "dissapearing racoon baby" in Bambi..

And of course, the only real edit that I truely hate are the ones made on Fantasia (which i feel like i dont need to repeat, because most likely everyone on this board knows about them by now.) I think that a true classic like Fantasia that was made 66 years ago should have remaided IN TACT. Although Fantasia is definately among my top ten favorite Disney movies, I have decided to boycott it until Disney releases the FULL version on DVD. Until then, I can live with the *cut* VHS...I wish I could have the full version...oh well.

-BB

[Finchx0rz]

the dissapearing racoon baby in bambi has been fixed (why did they do that that mistake is a part of history)

Where is this?

aladdin - when rajah threatens aladdin everyone thinks he says good girls take off thier clothes (i never heard him say that i heard good kitty take off go) but they took out the line anyway sigh

No they didn't. It's still in there.

the lion king - they changed the crocs and i think the birds too in the i cant what to be king scenes

I agree with you there! The new crocodiles look UGLY!

the starwars/the empire strikes back and return of the jedi special editions

I refuse to talk about this; I'll have an aneurysm if I do.

[Disney Duster]

We are the consumers, but you also have to think about the artists who made the movies, too. The Bambi raccon is inexcusable because the artists who made Bambi are no longer living and we don't know whether they'd approve or not, but the artists who made Aladdin, The Lion King, and Star Wars are all still living. They are showing the movie the way they originally wanted it to be(or how they would like it now). So you have to remember, it is not our art, it's theirs, and what they want in their art should be what we see.

Now, I do think that they should make both the original and new versions of the films available for consumers, which is exactly what George Lucas is doing(the original versions of the Star Wars films are coming to DVD soon).

[Finchx0rz]

Now, I do think that they should make both the original and new versions of the films available for consumers, which is exactly what George Lucas is doing(the original versions of the Star Wars films are coming to DVD soon).

They're being poorly presented, though. The ORIGINAL original trilogy will not be an anamorphic transfer; essentially we're getting the laserdiscs transferred onto DVD. Shoddy, to say the least.

<a href="http://www.originaltrilogy.com" target="_blank">Original Trilogy news</a>

[anger is pointless]

its at the end of bambi when the animals are on that island the mama racoon starts licking her baby and it disapears and reapeers on the other side of the screen

aladdin - when rajah threatens aladdin everyone thinks he says good girls take off thier clothes (i never heard him say that i heard good kitty take off go) but they took out the line anyway sigh

No they didn't. It's still in there.

oh so they didnt take it out i heard they took it out i guess i made a mistake sorry about that

[BATBfan1]

Now, I do think that they should make both the original and new versions of the films available for consumers, which is exactly what George Lucas is doing(the original versions of the Star Wars films are coming to DVD soon).

They're being poorly presented, though. The ORIGINAL original trilogy will not be an anamorphic transfer; essentially we're getting the laserdiscs transferred onto DVD. Shoddy, to say the least.

<a href="http://www.originaltrilogy.com" target="_blank">Original Trilogy news</a>

That's better than nothing.

[Finchx0rz]

True...but if they're going to do it, why not do it right?

[Timon/Pumbaa fan]

They're being poorly presented, though. The ORIGINAL original trilogy will not be an anamorphic transfer; essentially we're getting the laserdiscs transferred onto DVD. Shoddy, to say the least.

<a href="http://www.originaltrilogy.com" target="_blank">Original Trilogy news</a>

Don't have your hopes too low.

The site(DigitalBits.com) has been wrong, MANY times before.

[anger is pointless]

Now, I do think that they should make both the original and new versions of the films available for consumers, which is exactly what George Lucas is doing(the original versions of the Star Wars films are coming to DVD soon).

They're being poorly presented, though. The ORIGINAL original trilogy will not be an anamorphic transfer; essentially we're getting the laserdiscs transferred onto DVD. Shoddy, to say the least.

<a href="http://www.originaltrilogy.com" target="_blank">Original Trilogy news</a>

if george lucus is gonna treat his fans like this then i refuse to buy this set

[jebsdad]

I was most upset by the change in Bambi. The "Star Trek" beeming baby racoon was always a favorite scene that I looked forward to seeing when it came up on the island during the fire scene.

I always enjoyed knowing that this mistake was caused by the camera man moving the cel further (one peg?) to the right on the background.

However, if Disney CORP decided to "fix it", then include that scene in their extras as part of Disney history. That would have been a fun extra - showing the original mistake and explaining how the mistake happened. But Disney CORP didn't.

I kept my BAMBI VHS so I can watch that beeming baby scene when I want.

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Well, the "case of the disappearing racoon" WAS a technical mistake and it would no doubt have been corrected before release if Disney had had the time and the money back then. The Disney of today, on the other hand, figured they had the time and the money to fix it, I guess.

But the point, of course, is that it should have been kept for the sake of documenting history. And that's the reason, I'd say, why it could be argued that none of the "classics" should be changed - for one reason or the other.

[Lazario]

The disappearing racoon baby in bambi has been fixed (why did they do that that mistake is a part of history)

While everyone probably thinks this topic is an age-old discussion, I think you really just snagged a good one here. Naturally, I would have said "hell no, I don't approve of changing classic movies digitally or otherwise." But with this example, you have me at a crossroads. I'm glad they fixed the racoon. Because it really does take the focus away from the story unfolding. I didn't think it was a mistake that hurt the film's quality (no, this film will always be infamously overrated in my opinion), but it hurt the scene a little bit. There was another mistake as well in the film, exactly like the disappearing racoon, I hope someone else remembers it - when Bambi's mother is talking to Bambi as they are walking behind some leafy trees, there's a freezing-type mistake with Bambi's mother at some point while she's behind the tree. At least, on my VHS. I have the real old Black-Diamond Classics version. Anyone know if the disappearing racoon was fixed on the Anniversary-Comemorative Masterpiece Collection VHS?

Anyway, I mostly feel the racoon should have been fixed because there's nothing like that happening in any of the other Disney animated classics. Except The Rescuers, which I understood was untrue... until I read the Wikipedia entry on the movie.

[singerguy04]

i feel that in some cases it's ok to edit or change movies. I think it's fine that Disney changed the racoon because it was distracting from the moment. There's no way that Disney actually wanted it there, so in a way, they were serving in walt's best wishes. The aladdin line isn't on my platinum edition, i know because i was curious. I can hear it on my VHS but it's not on my PE.

The change that without a doubt wrong was the editing of Fantasia. It makes me wonder what else will be cut. I also think that the Goofy with the cigar (in Saludos Amigos) thing was kind of silly as well. I've never understood how seeing goofy smoking would make a child wanna light one up...

[brotherbear]

I also think that the Goofy with the cigar (in Saludos Amigos) thing was kind of silly as well. I've never understood how seeing goofy smoking would make a child wanna light one up...

ha, this kind of reminds me of a review I read on 101 Dalmatians (on amazon.com) There was this lady that was condemning the movie because it depited the hero of the story (Roger) constantly smoking a pipe, and that somehow equated to Disney promoting smoking...and again, she somehow thought that it would want to make children smoke like Roger. So she claimed the movie was unfit for children.

On a different note, does anyone know of a site where i can see the clip of the "dissapearing racoon baby"? I only own the PE of Bambi, and now I'm really curious to see this goof-up! Thanks in advance!

-BB

[lord-of-sith]

Well, the obvious example I'm going to give is of Star Wars. I'm kind of torn on this. I enjoy the fact that the effects are brought up to a better standard. I like some because the lightsabers deserve to be the same throughout all of the episodes, and you should be able to tell when ships are leaving the ground, and the Emperor should be the Emperor (although I am biased towards this one). I enjoy the continuity with the PT, but I can see why people would want to get the originals (and now they are going to be able to!).

[AwallaceUNC]

I generally have no problem with changes to movies, <i>so long as the original is made available as well</i>. The truth is that I often choose the newer versions because they look/sound better or I enjoy some of the changes, but I also like to have the original version for a look at back, either for reference or nostalgia. There's also the issue of respect-- in most cases, taking away the original version is disrespectful to both the audience and the artists (Lucas disrespects himself if you ask me... until now, anyways). Of course consumers have the power to stop that, but the changes are rarely so insufferable that they warrant a refusal of purchase when it's the only way to have it in your collection. That's why God invented message boards... we can buy the DVD and then vent by ranting about it here.

-Aaron

[Artlad]

If anyone has read the book Walt Disney: An American Original by Bob Thomas, there is a part where Walt is test screening Snow White just before its release and he sees that the Prince shimmys when he bends over to kiss Snow White because of some mistake made when it was put to film. He tells Roy that he wants to correct it and when Roy finds out how much it would cost he puts his foot down and tells Walt that he cant get any more money to fix something like that. So he says "let the Prince shimmy!" and then the book says that he always has.

Now I have been looking at my Platinum Edition DVD of Snow White and I don't see anything wrong when the Prince bends over to kiss Snow White. Does anybody know if Disney digitally corrected this for the DVD release?
If so this would kind of be in keeping with Walts wishes even though they are messing with a classic film.

[slyslayer3000]

I agree with certain changes in certain movies. There is a good reason on why they need to change some things in a movie. And this reason is probably for the good of the movie and the people watching it. Why would they change it if it will not affect something at all? Maybe it will make the movie better or correct the movie's mistakes. Or it would make audiences and critics alike love the movie better. So, I approve with the changes in movies especially Disney.