Very neat- I'm glad you spoke up about the Swedish release, because I learned something new about my favorite film!*Several scenes were cut out of the Swedish 1985 dub as the censors thought they were inappropriate for children. These scenes were not dubbed in the original dub. The scenes that were cut are in the third YouTube video.
*The original dub is unavailable for public viewing as it is being kept in the Swedish Archives. There are several extracts that have been uploaded online which are the only pieces to be publicly viewable.
*The second dubbing was made for the first sales (and only) VHS release in 1998. The reason for the creation of the second dub was to dub the scenes cut from the Swedish premiere.
In Sweden it was called "Taran and the Magic Cauldron", and in the secend dubb they called The Black Cauldron itself, the Magic Cauldron at least i think so.farerb wrote:^ If you want another interesting fact about The Black Cauldron, it was dubbed in Hebrew for the first time in 2014, before that it was only available in English and the initial name(s) that were given to it here were "The Magic Cauldron" or "Taran and the Magic Cauldron", it was changed to "The Black Cauldron" after it was dubbed. Right now the only film that remains without a Hebrew dub is The Great Mouse Detective.
blackcauldron85 wrote:^ Thank you for posting about the dubs, too! Whoa, one actor can cause redubbing? The whole film was redubbed, I suppose, since you said it's not known which actor caused it.
As farerb mentioned, in Spain and Latin America (we shared the same dubs up until Beauty and the Beast, which was the first Disney classic to have separate dubs for Spain and Latin America) that has also happened. In 1997 the actress who voiced Cinderella sued Disney and soon other voice actors followed suit, so Disney decided to redub Snow White, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty here to avoid paying royalties to the original voice actors. The Little Mermaid was also redubbed in Spain for its 1997 rerelease, but not due to any lawsuit, but because they thought it was a good idea to have their own dub here instead of using the Latin American one. Thankfully, the new dubbing wasn't well received by the public, otherwise maybe they would've redubbed all the old classics. Now both dubs of The Little Mermaid are included on DVD and Blu-ray releases in Spain, but unfortunately that's not the case with the other films I mentioned.rodrigo_ca wrote:The Incredibles, for example, was redubbed in Brazil (with basically the same cast) because the actor who portrayed Mr. Incredible sued Disney (because his contract only included the use of his voice in cinema releases, so he demanded compensation because of the home video releases).
That is crazy. I know that Peggy Lee had similar issues back in the day, but in the early '00s, video releases weren't in a voice actor's contract?! What?!?! How the heck not? I think that was Disney's own fault for not including that, so I'm not mad that the actor did that...rodrigo_ca wrote: The Incredibles, for example, was redubbed in Brazil (with basically the same cast) because the actor who portrayed Mr. Incredible sued Disney (because his contract only included the use of his voice in cinema releases, so he demanded compensation because of the home video releases).
Was this also due to video royalties? It's interesting that Peggy Lee won her case, and she wasn't re-dubbed in L&tT, but yet in all these instances you guys are mentioning, Disney just went with the (cheaper-than-a-lawsuit) re-dub option.D82 wrote:In 1997 the actress who voiced Cinderella sued Disney and soon other voice actors followed suit, so Disney decided to redub Snow White, Cinderella, Lady and the Tramp and Sleeping Beauty here to avoid paying royalties to the original voice actors.
With the original Latin American dub...you mentioned accents later in your post, so the Latin American dub of TLM, even with non-Spanish accents, is better than the newer Spanish dub? Was the new dub bad because of the acting quality? I'm so curious!D82 wrote:The Little Mermaid was also redubbed in Spain for its 1997 rerelease, but not due to any lawsuit, but because they thought it was a good idea to have their own dub here instead of using the Latin American one. Thankfully, the new dubbing wasn't well received by the public, otherwise maybe they would've redubbed all the old classics.
Yes!!! This is I think why, whenever someone mentions dubs in their country, I get intrigued, because I agree, it'd be really weird to have what we know and love replaced!!D82 wrote:It's horrible when they redub a movie. Imagine if they did it with the original US recordings, how would you feel if they replaced the voices you are used to and love for new ones?
OMG, that second article is GREAT- so much good stuff, thank you!!!D82 wrote:You can see examples here and here.
Well, all of them.UmbrellaFish wrote:Disney shared this poster for the anniversary of Disney+. How many characters can you name?
I'm too lazy to do that right now, so I'll just name the properties present instead.
Yes, it was also due to video royalties. I had forgotten about Peggy Lee's lawsuit. I guess she's the one who inspired all these other actors since she did it first (and won). I suppose Disney doesn't care about foreign dubs that much and that's why they just chose to redub the films in other countries, but probably they also didn't want to set any more precedents; otherwise they would need to pay royalties to every actor in every country who has dubbed one of their movies.blackcauldron85 wrote:Was this also due to video royalties? It's interesting that Peggy Lee won her case, and she wasn't re-dubbed in L&tT, but yet in all these instances you guys are mentioning, Disney just went with the (cheaper-than-a-lawsuit) re-dub option.
I think it wasn't well received simply because the film had been redubbed and the voices, dialogues and lyrics weren't the same people remembered. I guess the quality of the dubbing itself isn't bad, but I don't know for sure because I've only listened to some snippets. Anyway, people clearly rejected it, at least at first. I've read that when the movie was first released on VHS and DVD with the new dub some months after the rerelease in theaters, it was initially a failure and many people even returned their copies because they were disatisfied with the dubbing. So, Disney quickly withdraw all the copies from the market and replaced them with new ones which had the original dub. And I remember they even advertised this to let people know the film had its original dub on home video. I'm not sure, though, of the popularity of the new dub right now. Maybe new generations are used to it since it's the default option when you play the Blu-ray or DVD. But I've heard that as early as 2014, when the film aired on TV with the new Castillian dub, there was a strong backlash on social media, so I guess many people still prefer the Latin American one.blackcauldron85 wrote:With the original Latin American dub...you mentioned accents later in your post, so the Latin American dub of TLM, even with non-Spanish accents, is better than the newer Spanish dub? Was the new dub bad because of the acting quality? I'm so curious!
Snow White has had four dubs in Spanish in total. The first dub is the one I mentioned was recorded at the Disney studios using Latin American actors in Hollywood, the second one was done in Mexico in 1964 and it's the one I grew up with. And then two were made in 2001 after the lawsuit: one for Latin America and the other for Spain, though the new Latin American one was also included here on the DVDs. And the VHS from 2001 only had that dub, probably so people wouldn't notice so much it had been redubbed. Actually, they tried to make this new Latin American dub very similar to the old one. They respected most of the original dialogues and song lyrics and the actors even sounded similar. That's partly why I have less problems with that particular dub than with others.blackcauldron85 wrote:So, how many dubs do Snow White, Fantasia, Dumbo, & Bambi have in Spain? Just the original and one more, or an additional one?!
Sotiris wrote:Well, all of them.UmbrellaFish wrote:Disney shared this poster for the anniversary of Disney+. How many characters can you name?
That's So Raven, Hocus Pocus, Big Hero 6, The Simpsons, Phineas and Ferb, Stargirl, Onward, Avatar, Futurama, Purl, Kitbull, Diary of a Future President, The Lion King (2019), Aladdin (2019), Mulan (2020), The Nightmare Before Christmas, Clouds, Avengers: Endgame, The Right Stuff, Muppets Now, Earth to Ned, Coco, Hamilton, The Mandalorian, Star Wars Episodes I-IX, Gargoyles, Toy Story 4, Monsters Inc, Frozen II, Kim Possible, Moana, Bao, The World According to Jeff Goldblum, Lady and the Tramp (2019), Descendants, Lizzie McGuire, A Goofy Movie, Up, The Proud Family, Incredibles II, High School Musical.
I confused Hannah Montana with Lizzie McGuire. Lizzie McGuire is not in the picture. I thought Mickey Mouse functioned as the company's logo there and didn't consider it. Serves me right for being cocky.bruno_wbt wrote:What about Hannah Montana and Mickey Mouse?
Thank you for all that!! That site is really neat, and I got to read the article with Google Translate. It kind of boggles my mind that there are multiple versions of the same film. From listening to those clips (and I want to do the same for the other films), they definitely all have different performances, and it's just, uncanny? Weird? Like, Will the real Ariel please stand up? Is offensive a good word? If Disney replaced Jodi Benson's voice, for example, we'd be upset!!D82 wrote:If you're interested in knowing more about the Spanish dubs, there's this website that's in Spanish but is quite visual and has cool things like comparisons of the voices (here for The Little Mermaid, for example) and the songs from the different versions. This article about the history of the dubs is also very interesting, but it's in Spanish as well.
You're welcome. I'm glad you were able to read the article. Yes, offensive is a perfect word for that. Reddubing films shouldn't be allowed.blackcauldron85 wrote:Thank you for all that!! That site is really neat, and I got to read the article with Google Translate. It kind of boggles my mind that there are multiple versions of the same film. From listening to those clips (and I want to do the same for the other films), they definitely all have different performances, and it's just, uncanny? Weird? Like, Will the real Ariel please stand up? Is offensive a good word? If Disney replaced Jodi Benson's voice, for example, we'd be upset!!
Agreed. The only reason redubbing should be allowed is if the original was heavily censored and they wanted to make an uncut, faithful dub and the voice actors weren't available to reprise their roles.D82 wrote:Reddubing films shouldn't be allowed.
