Would you like to se an gay/lesbian couple in a Disney film?

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candydog wrote:
Of course in the current climate it would cause confusion, but we only have ourselves to blame for trying to "shelter" children and hide the idea of homosexuality from them. If we can allow them to see a man and a woman walk down the street holding hands why can't we allow them to see two men or two women? Their relationship is just as valid, and teaching a child this lesson early in life could end the homophobia and struggle for equality many still face today.
Words of Wisdom, indeed. :clap:

This argument could apply to anything, just about.
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Lazario wrote:Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...
You mean, like Basil in The Great Mouse Detective?
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Goliath wrote:
Lazario wrote:Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...
You mean, like Basil in The Great Mouse Detective?
Or Pinocchio, Dumbo, Kuzco, any of the Pooh characters, Alice, Arthur, Mr. Toad, Oliver, Jim Hawkins...
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Lazario wrote: They basically waited until Shrek came out first, with an ugly, green-faced princess. Then, it was okay for them to incorporate black representation into a hero/heroine role. That's how much they care about progressive cultural values. Corporately, they see black people on an inferior level to Ogres.
I hope your...comment is just referring to the comparison of box office revenue.

Anything other than that would just sound completely out of whack.
Lazario wrote:Right now, why don't we concentrate on a character that ends the movie without a love interest tied to them. That alone might get people talking...
And where were you during the past few years where we had films like Emperor's New Groove, Lilo & Stitch, Treasure Planet, Brother Bear, Home and the Range, Meet the Robinsons, and Bolt that had little to none to do with love interests?
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You know When I look over all the disney stuff that is made. Disney give more focus to animals(especially dogs) than actual fairytale/romance. SERIOUSLY.
let count all animal made movies and ones the became animal movies.

Sherlock holmes => adapt GMD instead

Oliver Twist => Oliver and Company

Robin Hood(people) => Robin Hood(animals)

Fox and Hound

Bambi

The Lion King

Dumbo

Pooh series

Aristocats

Lady and Tramp

101 Dalmations

Jungle Book (main character is human but everything else is animals)

Mickey and gang

Brother Bear
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And even ones that have main human cast, will automatically have some animal sidekicks/mascot, which is every other movie.
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While that's true, Disney is best remembered by most people (or so it seems) by the films with human protoganists --and this is also the way Disney markets its 'image': "we're doing fairy tales here!"

Just look at that godawful princess line.

I think that, if Disney wanted to do a movie with a gay couple, they would be smart and make it about two girls instead of two guys. I mean, most girls don't have a problem with two girls kissing and even find it interesting, and of course most guys get turned on by it. But with two guys, girls will lose interest (no girl in the storyline) and guys are too homophobic to want to watch two guys kissing...

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Actually, many girls really like seeing gay guys do...anything, especially romance, and quite a few get turned off and afraid of lesbian stuff.

For instance, a lot of teen girls today into anime like something called yaoi in which anime boys have romances with each other.

Also remember many girls have "gay best friends" or just gay friends. You do not hear of boys have lesbain friends as much.

Then of course, there are the actual gay guys who love Disney with Disney's huge gay fan base including being so well represented on this forum, who would all see the film, and...
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Yeah like Duster said, you'd be amaze at how insane, how terrifying and how many girls love boy-romance (Yaoi) which often show pretty and androgynous looking boys making out. They dig up this shit like a fatty gobbling a chocolate cake(Om Nom Nom Nom). Now Disney isn't anime, but Disney isn't foreign to concept of pretty or sexy looking guys( All the princes, etc) so it's not too far fetched of idea.


But I do agree with you that it's better off starting with girl on girl, first.




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There's Yaoi for every japanese-made concept and then some. Kingdom hearts has yaoi, which is only encouraged by KH2.
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DisneyFan09 wrote:Please, answer my questions in a constructive manner!! This is intented to be a serious and constructive thread, so if you don't have anything positive to say, so back off.
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Coolmanio wrote: Your question is a "yes or no" question. I said no. Can't be more constructive than that.
You could at least give an explanation... Are you homophobe?
The way you framed this whole topic, it's like you are looking for a fight, maybe a way to anti-gay bash? And with as many gays that are on this forum, it's seems as if you were expecting some kind of defense to protect yourself if someone gave (in your mind) a wrong answer, or even "attacked you." I totally disagree with your tactics, but will give you this, very well played. You've set it up that if no one can say "no" without being run through and called "homophobic." You said you wanted "serious discussion," and yet this entire discussion is set up for anything but.

You want "serious discussion?" Here you go then. Can we NOT talk about gay this or gay that on a Disney group of all things? Walt would mostly like roll around in his grave if he heard any of this anyway. It would be nice to ESCAPE politics on such sites, a thing I'm so finding is impossible. Some of us spend so much time keep up with the news and dealing with political wars, that it would be nice to be able to "turn off" the serious discussions and just be a kid for a while and relax. You want to know why so many people don't vote? This is why, becuase of people who push politics into things that have NOTHING to do with it. Because of people that will not let people escape reality for a time and push, and push, and push.

Look, why don't you just stick to DVD's and Blu Ray's, and leave certain issue at the door. When we walk back outside that door, I'd be happy to fight you tooth and nail, but while in here, can't we have peace? Is that too much to ask?

Please, no more about "was Walt a racist" or "do you want to see gay Disney couples" or whatever else like that! And please, don't ask for a serious discussion if that is not what you really want. It's pure and simple childish tactics meant to start fights and create martyrs. Make yourself feel superior to others.

If and when Disney ACTUALLY gives us a genuine gay character, or gay couple, THEN we can argue about it (and watch Disney stock plummet while we do it). But till then, let's just stop, please.
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ajmrowland wrote:There's Yaoi for every japanese-made concept and then some. Kingdom hearts has yaoi, which is only encouraged by KH2.
That's from retarded fanfiction and doujinshis. Not actual yaoi from official publication company. Don't get that mix up.
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Disney Duster wrote:Actually, many girls really like seeing gay guys do...anything, especially romance, and quite a few get turned off and afraid of lesbian stuff.

For instance, a lot of teen girls today into anime like something called yaoi in which anime boys have romances with each other.

Also remember many girls have "gay best friends" or just gay friends. You do not hear of boys have lesbain friends as much.

Then of course, there are the actual gay guys who love Disney with Disney's huge gay fan base including being so well represented on this forum, who would all see the film, and...
:lol:

Not that I'm disagreeing with you or anything, but just for the record...I am perhaps one of the few female anime fans who never got this fascination with yaoi. Not that I'm grossed by it at all, but I just never got the point.

And believe me, I would give anything for a gay best friend as you will... All of my close friends are all straight guys who all are just trying to get some from me. :roll: It would be nice to have a gay best friend so I never have to worry about stuff like that.
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I've re-thought my descision. I think it would be okay....but I agree with many as long as the story and plot and development was great....as it should be but sometimes isn't with other movies.

Although I don't think this will happen in the next 10 years though....with all the political corruptness going on and Disney not releaseing Song of the South by now at this time I would say a gay/lesbian animated features won't be happening anytime soon from Disney.
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milojthatch wrote: And with as many gays that are on this forum, it's seems as if you were expecting some kind of defense to protect yourself if someone gave (in your mind) a wrong answer, or even "attacked you." I totally disagree with your tactics, but will give you this, very well played. You've set it up that if no one can say "no" without being run through and called "homophobic."
How would this be any different if there was only one gay person on this forum, and the general atmosphere allowed you to say things like, "Ew, no. Gays are gross. This is no difference from bestiality" (already said, actually). The only reason you don't like this 'tactic' is because, at the moment, you're in the minority. I wonder how that would feel. :roll:

The only thing else I would say is that being gay is not about politics. In the same way that a guy kissing his girlfriend is not a political statement. Also, btw, I'm pretty sure Disney stock has plummeted low enough the past 15 years already. But it would be like you to blame something like that on a gay movie they might do in the (far) future. :P

(more in general, to the topic and not to one person): I do agree, as I've said before, that this topic is fairly pointless. But it's funny to see people annoyed when they can't post narrow-minded things anymore without a backlash. Makes me think of the recent Dr. Laura controversy, and how she wants "her first amendment rights back." The fact is, you're free to say whatever you want. But everyone else can reply however they want, too. Freedom of speech is annoying that way. And a discussion board---leads to discussion? Shocker! :o

Also, I've already realized that lesbians would be the easiest way to go, if they first ever did this. Because women are essentially just sex objects (made to please men; :roll: :wink: ) and women viewers have and will always be much more sympathetic. Reason I have next to no straight guy friends--just because they're really uncomfortable to be around.

Though, personally, I haven't met many heterosexual women who "find it interesting" to watch other girls kiss. They are sympathetic, yes, but only guys get off on stuff like that (and I've known many more heterosexual women who kiss other girls to attract men--not because they get anything inherently pleasurable out of doing so). Straight porn is mostly made for men, remember? That's where this myth came from. And, tbh, with anime, I've seen more "official" yaoi than I ever have of the lesbian equivalent, yuri. (and, usually, when it is, there's almost always yaoi somewhere else in the series, too)
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Waltmad, he was talking about serious discussion instead of just saying no without any good or serious reason behind it, perhaps discussing it.

Also, my family thought I was gay when I was a kid, and I was still a kid when I got my first crush on a boy, so, yea, this is still all part of it, because as a kid I would have loved to see two guys have a magical romance in a Disney movie.

Super Aurora, yea, I'm just slow on that pm there, lol at the "see your reply in 100 years" comment I'm just working and shcooling so, when I can, I will.

toonaspie, well, me and others here can be your gay forum friends! But I know you'd like one in real life...hope you do find one, we're all over, you just gotta find one!

Divinity, yes, spot on, accept saying this topic is fairly pointless. We are just talking about what we wish would happen, just expressing our desires and what if it could happen and how it could and such...
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Super Aurora wrote:
ajmrowland wrote:There's Yaoi for every japanese-made concept and then some. Kingdom hearts has yaoi, which is only encouraged by KH2.
That's from retarded fanfiction and doujinshis. Not actual yaoi from official publication company. Don't get that mix up.
I didnt even know there was publication for such thing. so how could I not mix it up?
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milojthatch wrote:Can we NOT talk about gay this or gay that on a Disney group of all things? Walt would mostly like roll around in his grave if he heard any of this anyway.
Oh, great! Another person who knows what dead uncle Walt is doing in his grave!

You talk about 'gay' as if it's a bad thing, an evil thing that shouldn't be discussed.
milojthatch wrote:It would be nice to ESCAPE politics on such sites, a thing I'm so finding is impossible.
Politics? We're talking about gay characters here. Nothing political about that. May I make a suggestion to you? If you're disturbed by these kind of threads... hold on, prepare to be shocked... don't read them! I mean, it has 'gay' in the title, so *were* warned, weren't you?
milojthatch wrote:Some of us spend so much time keep up with the news and dealing with political wars, that it would be nice to be able to "turn off" the serious discussions and just be a kid for a while and relax.
Some kids are gay. Maybe they would like to see themselves represented in the Disney 'family'? Or is that an odd thought?
milojthatch wrote:You want to know why so many people don't vote? This is why, becuase of people who push politics into things that have NOTHING to do with it.
No, a lot of people don't vote because either they're apathic to what happens to society; or they are disgusted by the fact their only choices are to vote for 'shit' or 'more shit' and all their elected officials are being bribed. Somehow I doubt discussing gay cartoon characters has anything to do with it.
milojthatch wrote:Please, no more about "was Walt a racist" or "do you want to see gay Disney couples" or whatever else like that!
Yeah! Let's not talk about anything substantial anymore! Let's discuss slipcovers! We've never done *that* before! Oh, wait...
milojthtach wrote:And please, don't ask for a serious discussion if that is not what you really want. It's pure and simple childish tactics meant to start fights and create martyrs. Make yourself feel superior to others.
Hello pot, here's kettle. Weren't you the one who wanted to make himself look superior to homosexuals and jews?

Oh, darn, I broke my vow not to discuss anything with you ever again, after your anti-semetic bile the other day. Ah well, it would be a shame to go back and delete all this. :)
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Disney Duster wrote:Actually, many girls really like seeing gay guys do...anything, especially romance, and quite a few get turned off and afraid of lesbian stuff.
Really? I never knew people like that. I had two female friends once, who were both hot as hell, and they admitted they had slept together, because they wanted to experiment. (Of course, when they told me, I *didn't* sleep the next night.) :P
toonaspie wrote:And believe me, I would give anything for a gay best friend as you will... All of my close friends are all straight guys who all are just trying to get some from me. :roll: It would be nice to have a gay best friend so I never have to worry about stuff like that.
*All* of them? Damn, you must be hot! :o

So... wanna be friends? :D
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Disney Duster wrote:Actually, many girls really like seeing gay guys do...anything, especially romance, and quite a few get turned off and afraid of lesbian stuff.
I agree with the guy/guy stuff...I would be more interested in a gay couple than a lesbian couple. Still eye candy. :p But, really, it is the story that counts.
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It's interesting how a lesbian couple can go both ways with tolerance.

On the one hand, women would say that this was "Disney Porn" of some sort and complain about how it was the men's idea.

On the other hand, at least one of these girls would get to play the hero.
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