Disney's new website-just horrible

[Disney Duster]

Disney Villain Oohh...sorry..your sister! Well, I guess it just makes sense that you are both good-looking if you are rleated to each other! Anyway, I'm glad you can talk to your uncle about how their is appreciation for Disney films beyond the entertainment value for children, and also, I'm glad you can still play pretend with your cousins! That's nice of you and you are lucky to get much fun!

Escapay, well I had heard of Fred Astaire since it was directed in the notes of my Into the Woods libretto that the Wolf dances like him, and the Wolf is supposed to be a sensual character who stands as a metaphor for a rapist preying on a little girl. But when I watched "Dancing in the Dark", it wasn't as sensual as I thought. I think I've seen more sensual stuff than that, but maybe I'm confusing sensual with sexual and there's a fine line. The set looked really fake. I liked the part where she did a bellerina pose and he just steered her in rotation. What's with the Marilyn Monroe flying up over a vent dress? I guess this was made during the the time that style was in. But it was funny because, I will admit this was sensual, after they danced they looked satisfied and exhausted in the carriage (like after sex)! But the Jazz scene seemed way more sensual (or is it sexual?) to me, with the red dress (red invokes sex, like heated flesh, love, burning desire), and all the bangs and the leg-lifting and the falling like you're laying down or taking it or exhausted from the orgasm.

[Escapay]

But when I watched "Dancing in the Dark", it wasn't as sensual as I thought. I think I've seen more sensual stuff than that, but maybe I'm confusing sensual with sexual and there's a fine line.

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I liked the part where she did a bellerina pose and he just steered her in rotation. What's with the Marilyn Monroe flying up over a vent dress? I guess this was made during the the time that style was in. But it was funny because, I will admit this was sensual, after they danced they looked satisfied and exhausted in the carriage (like after sex)!

Yeah, "sensual" probably was the wrong word on my part. I think I was reaching for passionate or stimulating, which can also be tied to sexual, but not really as strongly as sensual. The Monroe thing was probably more to do with the ballerina style for Charisse, it helped accent her moves and such. Plus, the famous Marilyn Monroe vent pose wasn't until The Seven Year Itch in 1955, two years after The Band Wagon.

I also noticed the sex look and made the same connection when I first saw the movie. But the two pretty much are physically spent after days of rehearsal and such, so it's entirely natural, lol.

"Sensual" actually makes more sense if you watch the dance within the context of the entire film. Astaire is Tony Hunter, an aging Hollywood star whose movie career is all but gone, and so he returns to New York to do a Broadway musical written by his friends Lily & Lester Marton (Nanette Fabray & Oscar Levant). However, when they give their musical proposal to famed Broadway producer/director/actor Jeffrey Cordova (Jack Buchanan), he turns their fun and frolicky song-and-dance pieces into an epic modern version of the classic "Faust". And in order to bring in audiences to the play, Cordova gets Paul Byrd (James Mitchell) to choreograph, with his girlfriend, prima ballerina Gabrielle Girard (Cyd Charisse) playing opposite Tony.

Naturally, with the musical being adapted so radically from the original intentions, along with the clash of dance styles between Gabrielle & Tony, Tony gets upset and quits the production. Gabrielle goes to apologize, and we learn that the two of them both were nervous/apprehensive about working with the other (Gabrielle with such a renowned movie star, Tony with such a young lead).

They go to the park to sort out their feelings, and when it gets to "Dancing in the Dark", it's their way of "testing the waters", so to speak. It's an experiment for the two of them, to see if they can blend classical ballet with song-and-dance hoofing. Thus, you see the two of them dancing from the heart, they're attempt at making this partnership work by blending their two styles together. The two eventually reach the point where they're both fluid within each other's movements, and thus, have captured that perfect blend of ballet and hoofer. It's almost as if there's nothing left in the world except their dancing, that nothing else is real to them.

It also helps to know the original lyrics to "Dancing in the Dark", as they only used an instrumental in the movie. The lyrics are a great companion to their dancing, as it helps make "sense", but I felt it would have hindered the movie if it had played to the sequence:

Dancing in the dark ’til the tune ends
We’re dancing in the dark and it soon ends
We’re waltzing in the wonder of why we’re here
Time hurries by, we’re here and we’re gone

Looking for the light of a new love
To brighten up the night, I have you love
And we can face the music together
Dancing in the dark

What - though love is old
What - though song is old
Through them we can be young

Hear this heart of mine
Wailin’ all the time
Dear one, tell me that we’re one

Looking for the light of a new love
To brighten up the night, I have you love
And we can face the music together
Dancing in the dark, dancing in the dark
Dancing in the dark

The set looked really fake.

Yeah, that's one of the drawbacks of the film. I think the intention was because since it's about a group of people putting a show together for the theatre, that it should look like a theatrical production as well. Plus, it came during a time when MGM had to start cutting back in the budgets on their lavish musicals because even though they were still popular, the audience was now switching to television. Other MGM musicals that suffered this fate are Brigadoon and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers, two epic musicals that were originally set to film on location (abroad for Brigadoon and in the mountains for Seven Brides...). Instead, those two were restricted to soundstages that had obvious matte paintings for backgrounds (at one point in Seven Brides..., real-life birds flew into the canvas!).

But the Jazz scene seemed way more sensual (or is it sexual?) to me, with the red dress (red invokes sex, like heated flesh, love, burning desire), and all the bangs and the leg-lifting and the falling like you're laying down or taking it or exhausted from the orgasm.

Yeah, the jazz scene definitely should have used my "sensual" description, lol. It's probably my second favorite sequence in the film after "Dancing in the Dark", and unfortunately, the clip on youtube cuts off before the really cool frenetic jumps and twists and turns that Astaire does when he "fights" the bad guys. The whole Girl Hunt Ballet is about 12 minutes long and has a lot of inspiring dance sequences. One of my favorites is at the subway station, where Gabrielle slides across the stage floor on her knees (it was waxed) and physically pleads for protection (it's all in pantomime except for Tony's narration) while in the background, two mobsters are cartwheeling and shooting each other, then exaggerate being shot. I'll try and post a clip of the whole ballet on youtube when I have the chance to rip the DVD to my laptop.

The Ten Commandments is your favorite movie Escapay? Like the 1956 one? No kidding, thats one of mine and my Mom's favorites lol.

Out of the many melodramatic quotes from the movie this one always cracks me up, and I have no idea why.

Nefertiri: Who is this fair young God to come into the house of Pharaoh?

Haven't seen it in a while, talking about it makes me want to watch it again lol.

Yeah, the 1956 is the one.

Some of the best melodramatic lines came from Nefretiri, and Anne Baxter's performance definitely ranks up there in the hammy acting as well (which actually helps the movie rather than hurt it, IMO, lol). I think my absolute favorite lines in the entire movie besides the oft-repeated "stubborn splendid adorable fool" would have to be this exchange:

Moses: You know it is death to strike an Egyptian.
Joshua: I know it.
Moses: Yet you struck him. Why?
Joshua: To free the old woman.
Moses: What is she to you?
Joshua: An old woman.

Scaps

[CJ]

Ariel'sprince, you are getting a warning for that extremely unnecessary space gaping post. I have edited the spaces out of the post for you. In the future, I suggest you find a more mature way to get your point across.

Also, You are getting a warning for your continued use of double posting. I will be combining the double posts you made in this thread, as having separate post for everyone you quote is unnecessary. Please learn how to quote more than one person in a single posts, or don't bother to quote them at all. Do not make me remind you about this a third time.

Edit- After cleaning up this thread a bit, I think everyone needs a refresher on the quoting guidelines:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=9799

[Mr. Toad]

After reading five pages of this tripe I have only one question for Ariel's Prince - What's your shoe size?

[Lars Vermundsberget]

Please learn how to quote more than one person in a single posts, or don't bother to quote them at all. Do not make me remind you about this a third time.

Edit- After cleaning up this thread a bit, I think everyone needs a refresher on the quoting guidelines:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=9799

Not that it's impossible to do, but do the guidelines really say how to quote more than one in a single post?

[Escapay]

Please learn how to quote more than one person in a single posts, or don't bother to quote them at all. Do not make me remind you about this a third time.

Edit- After cleaning up this thread a bit, I think everyone needs a refresher on the quoting guidelines:
http://www.ultimatedisney.com/forum/vie ... php?t=9799

Not that it's impossible to do, but do the guidelines really say how to quote more than one in a single post?

Usually what I do is click "reply post" page, then simply scroll down to the "Topic Review" portion below the reply box, and highligh/copy/paste the passages I want to quote into the regular reply box, add the appropriate BBCodes, then post it. If it's an earlier post that won't appear in "Topic Review" (as that only features the last 20 or so replies), then I make sure to open a new window or tab with the thread so I can highlight/copy/paste from there.

Scaps

[CJ]

Lars, when I linked to the guidelines for everyone to reread, it was about the quoting rules in general. Specifically the quoting excess blocks of text. But since you have brought it up, here's a quick tutorial on how to quote multiple people in one post:

Using the "Quote button" on your "post a reply screen" (see screencap below), is the easiest way to do so.



Example 1: Let's say I want to comment on something Escapay has said and on something Lars has said:
1. Before making my post, I copy the text I want to quote.
2. I hit the quote button once on "the post a reply screen".
3. After hitting the button, this appears [ quote] (without the space), now I want everyone to know exactly who I am quoting, so I add ="the name of the person I'm quoting" between the word quote and the ]. In this example, mine would look like this [ quote="Escapay"]
4. Now I am ready to paste the text I wish to quote behind this [ quote="Escapay"]text goes here.
5. I hit the quote button again, which makes this appear on the screen [/ quote] (without the space of course).
6. I make my comments after the quote.

When I complete those steps, it looks like this:

Some of the best melodramatic lines came from Nefretiri, and Anne Baxter's performance definitely ranks up there in the hammy acting as well (which actually helps the movie rather than hurt it, IMO, lol).

I agree, her hammy performance helps the film.

Now that I have my Escapay quote, it's time to add my Lars' quote.
I repeat steps 1-6 again, but this time I use the text copied from Lars.

Not that it's impossible to do, but do the guidelines really say how to quote more than one in a single post?

No they don't.

Now I have successfully quoted more than one person in a single post.

Example 2: There is another way to address more than one person in a single posts. This way doesn't involve quoting anything. Simply address the person you want by name. Like this: Escapay, I think the skit you made was entertaining. And then later in the post: Lars, I thank you for pointing out the lack of a multiple quoting tutorial.

Now I have successfully addressed both without making a quote.

[jeremy88]

Wow thats a great quoting tutorial CJ! Sonmebody should save that and put into the guidelines page.

Anyways YES! Anne Baxters hammy performance definitely does help the film, but WAIT what does hammy mean? lol I'm guessing over the top or overly dramatic heh. Either way this film is awesome. It's a classic masterpiece hehe.

Moses: You know it is death to strike an Egyptian.
Joshua: I know it.
Moses: Yet you struck him. Why?
Joshua: To free the old woman.
Moses: What is she to you?
Joshua: An old woman.

Man could he be any more blunt in front of the old woman?

[ichabod]

After reading five pages of this tripe I have only one question for Ariel's Prince - What's your shoe size?

Would it make it easier for you to stir things if I were to give you a wooden spoon?

[Disney Villain]

Disney Villain Oohh...sorry..your sister! Well, I guess it just makes sense that you are both good-looking if you are rleated to each other! Anyway, I'm glad you can talk to your uncle about how their is appreciation for Disney films beyond the entertainment value for children, and also, I'm glad you can still play pretend with your cousins! That's nice of you and you are lucky to get much fun!

Ha ha , it's okay, and Thanks for the compliment . I love playing Disney games with my cousins. Last weekend I re-enacted Enchanted Tales with them (oh the fights about who gets to be what princess).

Over the years, I have tried, and tried, over and over, to tell my uncle about the whole "Disney is not just for children thing". He just won't listen; he feels that the films were made for one age group, or for marketing reasons. He likes the Pixar films though (which is odd, because I HATE PIXAR, the company...not the films).

Thank you once again for your kind words and advice!

I can't answer for Sir Disney Dust, but I definitely see the family resemblance. You could pass for twins!

Everyone says that Prudence, which is why I was shocked when Sir Disney Dust thought we were a couple

Your female cousins know the Princesses from the films? my female cousin dosn't even know them (most of those little girls are exited of the Princesses becouse of their dresses,they didn't even know the characters or the films),she only know Snow White and Jasmine and she still buy Ariel and Aurora stuff (she's allways get confuesed with Aurora and Cinderella).

My cousins Know ALL of the Princesses (after all they're related to me..lol ). I make sure that they've all seen the classics, at least once. In my opinion no one should be deprived of the Disney Animated Classics.

Thanks, both Mikes! One of my favorite things to do at UD is randomly start writing really oddball stories related to whatever someone just said.

You are very Welcome. I always enjoy reading your random UD stories, they make the dicussion fun.

The quote name says it all. You got the transforming Queen! You're so lucky!

Yes I got it, but Lucky I am not. Why you ask?...Well the toy disappeared a long, long time ago. I wish I still had it.

[Ariel'sprince]

Your female cousins know the Princesses from the films? my female cousin dosn't even know them (most of those little girls are exited of the Princesses becouse of their dresses,they didn't even know the characters or the films),she only know Snow White and Jasmine and she still buy Ariel and Aurora stuff (she's allways get confuesed with Aurora and Cinderella).

My cousins Know ALL of the Princesses (after all they're related to me..lol ). I make sure that they've all seen the classics, at least once. In my opinion no one should be deprived of the Disney Animated Classics.
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Great mine is just pretending she likes the films and it's drive me insane seeing her buying Ariel or Aurora stuff.

[Prudence]

After reading five pages of this tripe I have only one question for Ariel's Prince - What's your shoe size?

He won't understand the joke.

[Disney Duster]

Hopefully Disney Duster isn't reading this at 4:37 pm EST because I had to come back and edit in a name as I forgot to put one!"

I didn't see it at that time! Ha! But my favorite was

Disney Dust is never fake, but it can sting a little if it gets in your eyes"]

Haha! And, are you serious, birds flew into the canvas? So you can see it in the film? Did they just...fall straight down or sort of slide off it?

Those lyrics were nice, and now that the dancing was more about two styles coming together, it's more representative and artistic, as it's like two different sexes coming together, which it is, and two worlds coming together, which is like saying that's what love is. Of course, there can be boys from very different worlds and girls from very different worlds who come together in love, but since the sexes are supposed to be sooo different it's more of a heterosexual metaphor.

Anyway, Escaps, I thought you'd be interested in this:

Ten Commandments in CGI
According to Animation World Network American Cinema Int’l will be releasing an animated version of The Ten Commandments, the story of Moses leading his people out of Egyptian bondage and into the promised land, to theaters on Oct. 19, 2007. This will be the first in a twelve-part series focusing on epic stories from the Bible.

From AnimatedNews.com!

[Ariel'sprince]

After reading five pages of this tripe I have only one question for Ariel's Prince - What's your shoe size?

He won't understand the joke.

Actually i do.
Wait,why am i here? i"m suposed to leave allready.

[Disney Duster]

He won't understand the joke.

Actually i do.
Wait,why am i here? i"m suposed to leave allready.

Please stay. I like your posts. Some people will be mean to you, but be strong, like Ariel, and stand your ground! I hope you can quote more than one person in a post, because it's important to do so.

[Ariel'sprince]

Actually i do.
Wait,why am i here? i"m suposed to leave allready.

Please stay. I like your posts. Some people will be mean to you, but be strong, like Ariel, and stand your ground! I hope you can quote more than one person in a post, because it's important to do so.

Okay you're right .
About the quote thing,how do i do that? if you can explain me i"ll do it all the time .

[jeremy88]

Okay you're right .
About the quote thing,how do i do that? if you can explain me i"ll do it all the time .

Just erase what everyone else said except the person you want to quote. See I quoted you but I deleted what Prudence, Mr. Toad and Disney Duster wrote. So now just your quote came out all nice, clean and alone...lol. If you want to quote more then one person, do the same thing with the quote button just remember to insert their name in there, and then type in your following message or response like how CJ explained in his tutorial. Anyways, getting your point across might be a little harder, since English isn't your first language right? But hang in there and your grammar skills will pick up a little because practice makes perfect...or close to perfect

[Ariel'sprince]

Okay you're right .
About the quote thing,how do i do that? if you can explain me i"ll do it all the time .

Just erase what everyone else said except the person you want to quote. See I quoted you but I deleted what Prudence, Mr. Toad and Disney Duster wrote. So now just your quote came out all nice, clean and alone...lol. If you want to quote more then one person, do the same thing with the quote button just remember to insert their name in there, and then type in your following message or response like how CJ explained in his tutorial. Anyways, getting your point across might be a little harder, since English isn't your first language right? But hang in there and your grammar skills will pick up a little because practice makes perfect...or close to perfect

Oh,thanks i"ll use it .
English isn't my first language (althought people say my English is like an Amrican),i"ll try .

[PeterPanfan]

Ariel's Prince I don't mean to sound rude but you just asked how to quote more than one person when CJ did like...three different tutorials on how to.

Please read above posts.