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Disney's Divinity wrote:I disagree about that. They might have had the same ideas, but I believe Hillary Clinton would've actually made them happen. I just feel that Obama has wasted too much time trying to be "nice."
I think that's all an act. Remember that Obama's not actually a liberal. He didn't even run as a liberal. People who thought he did, were projecting their desires on him. He ran as a center-right pragmatist and that's how he has governed. I don't think he 'lost' much to the Republicans. I think he just played along with them willingly. Just like Hillary would've done. A lot of liberals I know always say "Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we ever had", and I think that would've been true of Hillary as well. If you listened to them during the primary debates, you heard no difference between their porposals. If you wanted to hear anything different, you had to pay attention for the two minutes Kucinich and Gravel were allowed to speak.
Lazario wrote:If Obama gets another 4 years (impossible, it won't happen), we'll find out the answer to your questions in that term.
I think it will happen. If he doesn't actually *act* upon his liberal rhetoric from his last speech, he won't get JFK'ed and then the path is free to re-election. Who's going to beat him? Mike Huckabee? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? :lol:
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Goliath wrote:Who's going to beat him? Mike Huckabee? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? :lol:
What about the guy who's currently tied with Trump for the potential nomination? Other than that I agree the Rep. lineup is pretty funny to look at.
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:What about the guy who's currently tied with Trump for the potential nomination? Other than that I agree the Rep. lineup is pretty funny to look at.
Mitt Romney? Most people think he'll be the nominee. But does conventional wisdom apply anymore? Remember the last election, when everybody thought Rudy Guiliani would be the Republican nominee and everybody had long tossed McCain on the side? Romney ran last time, too, and lost. So who knows? I do know Romney has distanced himself from the whole 'birther'-issue (the idea that president Obama was actually not born in the US), and when he was governor of Massachussets, he passed a health care law that's pretty much the same as Obama's. You know, it's scary when the most sensible candidate is the Mormon. Actually, I don't find it very funny at all. People like Palin, Bachmann, Trump, Huckabee and the people who support them are deadly serious. If they had their ways, America would be a Christian theocracy, directly opposite to what the founding fathers wanted. Not only that, but a batshit crazy, hard-right Republican party doesn't give Democrats any incentive to move to the left anymore. They'll now liberals will vote for the corporatist 'Blue Dog' Democrats anyway, to prevent the Tea Party from grabbing even more power. There needs to be a reasonable, mature Republican party to give the Democrats any incentive to go back to being the progressives they were up until the late 1980's.
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If you saw the interview with Matt Lauer interviewing George W this year you'll get the joke...or read about it online :P
Want to Hear How I met Roy E. Disney in 2003? Click the link Below

http://fromscreentotheme.com/ThursdayTr ... isney.aspx
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disneyboy20022 wrote:If you saw the interview with Matt Lauer interviewing George W this year you'll get the joke...or read about it online :P
The only one I want to see 'interview' George W. is the special prosecutor of the International Criminal Court in The Hague.
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Goliath wrote:Actually, I don't find it very funny at all. People like Palin, Bachmann, Trump, Huckabee and the people who support them are deadly serious. If they had their ways, America would be a Christian theocracy, directly opposite to what the founding fathers wanted.
No doubt they would, but something tells me if any of those indviduals ran (especially Palin or Trump) they wouldn't have any chance of a majority across the country as some are just too crazy even for the "moderates", never mind populous "Blue States" like NY and CA. Not to mention Republicans shooting themselves in the foot with anti-union legislation that has already backfired in some cases. That's what I meant by "funny", they're so sure that this line up could mean a vicotry for them in 2012. Unless a major change occurs I don't see that happening.

I'd hate to see a Rep. win, could you imagine Palin or Trump going into foreign countries to negotiate deals? Who'd want to put up with them?
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Flanger-Hanger wrote:I'd hate to see a Rep. win, could you imagine Palin or Trump going into foreign countries to negotiate deals? Who'd want to put up with them?
I could see Silvio Berlusconi hanging out with them. He's the perfect clown to entertain Donald Trump on one of his infamous 'bung-bunga parties' (you'll have to look that up for yourself!). :D

Well, we keep making jokes about it, but remember: America elected B-actor airhead Ronald Reagan twice, and gave George W. Bush just enough votes to get so close he could steal the presidency. If you thought the bottom of the barrel has been scraped, you could be mistaken.

(No, don't mention my own country. I don't need any reminder how badly we fucked up.)
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Just to show that the war on the American people continues, I provide these links for you:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/ne ... print=true

http://papersplease.org/wp/2011/03/18/s ... pplicants/

http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/region_c_p ... il-station

The first link is about the fed reserve, Goliath you need to check it out. The second is about the new forms to get a passport and the last one is about the TSA at a rail station in Florida. I think I'll add that one to the TSA thread as well.
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Well, now it looks like they want to fly unmaned drones over the US:

http://www.truthout.org/lobbying-report ... 1302937200

Its starting folks, that's all I have to say about this one.
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Thanks for sharing these articles, Maerj, they are much appreciated.
Within weeks and possibly days, President Obama is likely to sign into law a bill that will bring unmanned aerial vehicles - drones - into US general airspace, crisscrossing the country in company with passenger planes and other human-carrying aircraft.
Sometimes I need to remind myself I'm *not* reading the script for a dystopian science-fiction film. And you thought 1984 was just a novel! Oh, George Orwell, how could you have foreseen it all?
"If Schumer's legislative move succeeds this week," said the Post Standard, "it would help ensure the future of 1,215 jobs at the (air) base in Mattydale (New York) and potentially lead to millions of dollars in radar research contracts for local defense companies."
It's like Bill Maher said on his show last week: the Defense budget is nothing more than an elaborate jobs program. Yet, don't suggest cutting something from all that pork! You'll be labeled a terrorist-lover! Clearly, we must cut food stamps and Social Security first. Note: Schumer is a Democrat from New York. With such friends, who needs enemies?
Drones have a grisly war history of misidentification. For example, on April 11, 2011, The Los Angeles Times carried a story of how a failure of US Air Force drone operators at Creech Air Force Base in Nevada to accurately identify the enemy led to the deaths in February 2010 of at least 15 non-combatant Afghani men, the wounding of 12 more and the deaths of a woman and three children.
At what point did politicians think: "why, yes, that's what we need to keep America safe"?! Oh, I'm kidding of course, they knew when the lobbyists put a big sack of money on the table.

Can you already imagine president Trump and vice-president Bachmann in charge of this?
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If this keeps up, I might have to join you in the Netherlands, lol. But alas, I will probably be inclined to stay and fight.
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These days, Republicans are trying to abuse the current economic crisis and the huge budget deficits/national debt that go with it, to ram through their ideologically tainted proposals that have absolutely nothing to do with solving these issues, but instead, will only make them worse. They know their proposals (the Ryan plan to cut Social Security, end Medicare, cut foodstamps while continuing the tax cuts for the wealthiest 1%) will bankrupt the middle class and bankrupt the country. Yet, they persist, because it fits their ideological agenda.

They keep saying: don't raise taxes on the 'job-creators', because it will wreck the economy. They say: if you give the wealthiest 1% more money, they'll spend and invest it and that will lead to new jobs. They reason that the money will trickle down to the rest of the people and get the economy going again. Of course, it would be stupid to just give tax breaks to the working people and not the richest people, so the common people could buy more and get the economy going, and the rich would pay more to the treasury. No, that makes no sense according to Republicans. They say working people can get tax breaks *only* if multibillion dollar corporations get them too.

Fact is: this has been done before. In the 1980's. What the Republicans are suggesting, is 'Reaganomics'. It's a kind of economic policy that has failed miserably in the past, and was recognized as such in the decade it was actually in place. Sadly, ever since, politicians of both parties and the mainstream media have treated it like the best thing since sliced bread and have been applauding Reagan ever since.

Luckily, there has *finally* been someone in the national mainstream media who adressed how DISASTROUS Reagan's economic policies were. How they increased wages & salaries for the wealthies 1% ENORMOUSLY, while doing next to NOTHING for the bottom 90%. How they didn't create any new jobs, but how instead 5 MILLION jobs had been lost. How the richest people saw their income INCREASE with 75%, while the poorest people saw their income DECLINE 5%. How they made the national debt SKYROCKET. How they created the LARGEST income inequality gap since 1947!

Watch for yourself and be convinced:

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(The only 'minor' mistake made was that in the graph showing Reagan's national debts, it should read 'billions' and 'trillions', instead of 'millions' and 'billions'. Luckily, that was corrected in the next video.)

After this, a segment followed on the myth that "tax cuts pay for themselves", an argument introduced by Reagan and eagerly followed by George W. Bush, resulting in EXPLODING deficits --which, of course, the working people have to pay for in cuts in Social Security. Make sure to catch the graph about 'national debt increase', which shows how debt increased with 189% under Reagan and 89% under George W. Bush, in large part due to the tax cuts (and, of course, illegal wars).

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Still, the Republicans want to make the presidential elections about spending and deficit reduction. How they think they'll win that, based on the overwhelming evidence against their economic policies presented above? Because they can count on the short attention-span and non-existing long-term memory of the average voter (which is probably as bad in the US as it is in Holland). "Perception is reality" is an important law in politics. The perception is that Democrats are big spenders who let the deficit and debt grow out of control. The facts, as shown above, are entirely different. But, "perception is reality".
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Âmen! I've been thinking for the last 2 years the people have forgotten that this recession started when the majority of people in office were republican.
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Tsk tsk...blacklisting for reporting the news?

http://www.fair.org/blog/2011/04/29/wh- ... g-protest/
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Maerj wrote:Tsk tsk...blacklisting for reporting the news?

http://www.fair.org/blog/2011/04/29/wh- ... g-protest/
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
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http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/h ... y-the-mile

Taxes on every mile you drive. Meanwhile, big oil companies rake in Billions in profits each quarter.
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