Disney Movies G-rated?

[milojthatch]

Don't like it, don't watch it. If something has to be edited in the first place for you to like it you probably should stay away from it.

And I've heard that argument a zillion times. Problem is without getting too far, what about school? Do you know that just about every "R" rated film I personally have ever watched as been at school? I know many others where this is the case and if they don't watch it, they fail the class or at leas get a lower grade.

Plus there is the case many times there are good things to watch and they put one or two offensive things in it. So then you are left with a large temptation. Does much help that fact that frankly we are very much a movie based society. Think about it, how many times do you or people you know start talking about movies when shooting the breeze? I hope I make my point.

[milojthatch]

While your at it, never ever, EVER paint your house, alter your clothing or doodle on your backpack. You would be damaging the artist expression of the architect, clothing maker and backpack maker.

Now you're just being desperate to counter-argue.

We'll just have to disagree on this, but movies, books and music if sold become consumer products first and fore most.

ORLY? If I remember correctly Walt Disney himself was more about making animated movie with perfection and excellent artistc measures. When people didn't think a feature length animated movie would work, Walt still went ahead and now look how successful his company become. As snow white wasn't "good enough", he even went further to improve and make Pinocchio and even finer masterpiece.

Seriously, this is one thing business people these days DO NOT get: artistic concept has always revolutionize change aspect of the world. Most business are afraid to take risk just so they can be "safe" with their business.

My feeling is if the artist don't want their "art" to be altered, they better start giving it out for free..

That's like saying Andy Warhol should change his ideas and concept of the work just not to offend someone if want make money.

Seriously, Political Correctness and censorship is fucking bullshit.

No, the BS is how you feel the need to use the "F-word" to make your point, which only shows you to be childish, uneducated, and having a weak argument.

Did you know that Hollywood makes these "edited" versions already? Or even better, that they even put them on DVD? It is true, they have to to sell them in the Middle East and other super religious areas of the World. All they have to do is change the region code and BAM! they could offer them here.

Do they? No, they would rather release "Unrated" versions that add to the sex, violence and language then go the other way! Interesting how that works, I sure think so.

Plus, do you know anything about Fanedit.org? Hollywood already allows under certain guidance people to edited their films how they want them to be on their own if it is for, shall we say, "Fan Boy purposes?" But if you so much as even take out a cuss word or violent image and they will have their lawyers on you faster then you can say "Drat!"

See, the problem is Hollywood has trained you and everyone like you to see their films almost like scripture, like the Bible. I have news for you friend, they are no where close to that, seriously. Which by the way, people seem to like to change the Bible anyway and in society that is look at as ok, but you can't change movies without someone telling you how wrong it is? Something funny about that.

Fact is, once again, films are consumer goods first. Hollywood is about making money first and foremost and always have been. Even the very copyright laws that protect them are first and foremost there to make sure no one makes a dime off of your stuff.

See, Hollywood, instead of fighting this could so easily end this by simply making available legally the "edited" versions of their films to people who do want it. It would end the fighting and actually make them more money in the long run as it would open up a large new customer base that right now they are snubbing.

At the end of the day, Hollywood is only hurting themselves, their bottom line and you the consumer.

[Super Aurora]

No, the BS is how you feel the need to use the "F-word" to make your point, which only shows you to be childish, uneducated, and having a weak argument.

That fact that you're easily offend by a mere word regardless how "negative" the word my deem as, makes me laugh and has no relevance to this argument.

Did you know that Hollywood makes these "edited" versions already? Or even better, that they even put them on DVD? It is true, they have to to sell them in the Middle East and other super religious areas of the World. All they have to do is change the region code and BAM! they could offer them here.

Yes I do know that which also adds to why region code is also pure BS. But that's a topic for another time.

Do they? No, they would rather release "Unrated" versions that add to the sex, violence and language then go the other way! Interesting how that works, I sure think so.

If I recall, sometimes they DO release the normal theatrical DVD and few months later the unrated one. the normal theatrical one can be considered your "edited" DVD. Usually when unedited/unrated one comes out it also has more contents making more people buy it.

Plus, do you know anything about Fanedit.org? Hollywood already allows under certain guidance people to edited their films how they want them to be on their own if it is for, shall we say, "Fan Boy purposes?" But if you so much as even take out a cuss word or violent image and they will have their lawyers on you faster then you can say "Drat!"

That site is Hollywood attempt cash-in on fanedit business. Originally it start by a star wars fan to make the prequel and later the the original trilogy. Because it got well known like a lot of things that happens on the internet, Hollywood decided to start in on it. The fact the whole deal was started by a fan who wished to make the movie "correctly" by quality and later cash-in by professional business shows that they trying make the money off a good idea in which creativity starts to begin with.
Plus the way the internet is, people can do fan-edit without Hollywood on their ass like that site as you said. Also Hollywood mostly will sue them if they try selling that edited product. If there is an incident that proves wrong, i'd like to hear it.

See, the problem is Hollywood has trained you and everyone like you to see their films almost like scripture, like the Bible. I have news for you friend, they are no where close to that, seriously. Which by the way, people seem to like to change the Bible anyway and in society that is look at as ok, but you can't change movies without someone telling you how wrong it is? Something funny about that.

The irony in that whole paragraph is that you're acting as if Hollywood is THE ONLY entertainment media out here and nothing else. I'm also referring to other stuff as well like anime and even foreign films.
Also I'm not saying ALL changes are bad in movie or whatever, but changes of unnecessary means that is pointless, too drastic, and redundant is what I'm referring to.

Fact is, once again, films are consumer goods first. Hollywood is about making money first and foremost and always have been. Even the very copyright laws that protect them are first and foremost there to make sure no one makes a dime off of your stuff.

Films is only consumer goods first from the eyes of business men who value money more over quality content and creativity. From my stand point view should be equally compatible to each other. Making money good but it's not the only thing that makes the film to begin with. Whether you want to believe it or not, film like music or paintings is a form of art. It started as an art form and still is an art form. Might as well say fine arts are also consumer goods since you make great money from those too if you say film is a consumer goods first.

See, Hollywood, instead of fighting this could so easily end this by simply making available legally the "edited" versions of their films to people who do want it. It would end the fighting and actually make them more money in the long run as it would open up a large new customer base that right now they are snubbing.

As I said before, technically they have release the "edited" ones here, it's just that it the theatrical one rather than the unrated/unedited one.

At the end of the day, Hollywood is only hurting themselves.

That's not surprising. Pretty obvious as well.

I guess we have to agree to disagree.

[Flanger-Hanger]

And I've heard that argument a zillion times. Problem is without getting too far, what about school? Do you know that just about every "R" rated film I personally have ever watched as been at school? I know many others where this is the case and if they don't watch it, they fail the class or at leas get a lower grade.

Plus there is the case many times there are good things to watch and they put one or two offensive things in it. So then you are left with a large temptation. Does much help that fact that frankly we are very much a movie based society. Think about it, how many times do you or people you know start talking about movies when shooting the breeze? I hope I make my point.

Yes I've watched films in school and done assignments on them. No one was hyperventilating or crying. We all enjoyed watching the movies and did our homework.

Give kids some freakin' credit, there exposed to way more stuff than you think and they don't care for your opinions on how to shelter and "protect" them. Really they don't, and your just looking sad for trying so hard.

[milojthatch]

That site is Hollywood attempt cash-in on fanedit business. Originally it start by a star wars fan to make the prequel and later the the original trilogy. Because it got well known like a lot of things that happens on the internet, Hollywood decided to start in on it. The fact the whole deal was started by a fan who wished to make the movie "correctly" by quality and later cash-in by professional business shows that they trying make the money off a good idea in which creativity starts to begin with.
Plus the way the internet is, people can do fan-edit without Hollywood on their ass like that site as you said. Also Hollywood mostly will sue them if they try selling that edited product. If there is an incident that proves wrong, i'd like to hear it.

It needs to be noted however that the guy who made "The Phantom Edit" actually was allowed to sell it on VHS and even sold t-shirts. Where were the big scary Hollywood lawyers then? In that case, Lucas let a lot slip by, and has with every "fan edit" since. Only once is it documented that he took any serious legal action.

Hollywood in general leaves "Fan Edits" alone, but they seem to always know who is taking out questionable content. I flat out see that as hypocritical.

In 2005, ABC News did a survey to see how many people would want to own or rent so called "edited films." While yes, about 51-51% said they would not and saw it as wrong, about 48-49% said they would like it. That is a LOT of people that either are not buying many movies right now or who flat out don't buy any at all. Money lost to Hollywood.

In that same survey, it showed that people who are single or not religious are more likely to see such edits as wrong and are against them while people how are married with children or who are religious are for them.

No, Hollywood is not the only industry this issue deals with, but it is maybe the biggest and most suborn to deal with. Once again, they could end this very easily and end the fighting, but I guess they like fighting? All they have to do is save a few of the DVD's they already make these versions of their films on, change the stinking region code, and people like me shut up and sit down, just like that!

And no, the "theatrical release" is not the "edited release." That has to be about the silliest thing I have heard dealing with this issue yet. Wow, really? And no, cussing does not make you look cool. I know your buddies may think so, but it really doesn't. In fact, where is the stinking moderator on this group to cut language like that out? I mean on a "Disney" fan board, people get to hard core cuss, really? Very pathetic in truth.

Did you know by the way about how the rating system has worked the last decade? How about a decade ago, Hollywood realized that movies that make money are "G," "PG," or "PG-13" rated films while movies these days that win awards are "R" rated. They wanted to create films that in their eyes would be "perfect films." So, they started to take "R" rated films and trim just enough to get the MPAA to give it a "PG-13" rating.

Need proof of this? Well, besides the fact that it has be documented in countless new papers over the years, including the Los Angeles Times, take a good look at the movies from about the 1980's to the late 90's. Now look at the films from about 1997 to today. What movies win or are nominated for Oscar and what films are not? How many used to be "R" and how many are now "PG-13?"

The greatest examples by the way would be the current number one and number two films on the All Time Box office list, "Titanic" and "the Dark Knight." Both huge money makers and award show darlings.

And by the way, while yes, the "Unrated Versions" do seem to sell well, we may never know how well the "Edited Versions" will sell so long as Hollywood keeps this hold on what people do and do not get to see and own. I mean what are they afraid of anyway? I personally would venture it is out of fear and maybe some kind of hidden or not so hidden agenda. The facts are certainly their to support such a claim and it does make one wonder.

[milojthatch]

And I've heard that argument a zillion times. Problem is without getting too far, what about school? Do you know that just about every "R" rated film I personally have ever watched as been at school? I know many others where this is the case and if they don't watch it, they fail the class or at leas get a lower grade.

Plus there is the case many times there are good things to watch and they put one or two offensive things in it. So then you are left with a large temptation. Does much help that fact that frankly we are very much a movie based society. Think about it, how many times do you or people you know start talking about movies when shooting the breeze? I hope I make my point.

Yes I've watched films in school and done assignments on them. No one was hyperventilating or crying. We all enjoyed watching the movies and did our homework.

Give kids some freakin' credit, there exposed to way more stuff than you think and they don't care for your opinions on how to shelter and "protect" them. Really they don't, and your just looking sad for trying so hard.

And yet how many don't want to? Even in college? Funny how in "the land of the free" we aren't really so free after all?

You may not have a problem with the things you watch, but how dare you sir tell me what I should and should not watch for school, what my children should or should not watch or anyone for that matter. There are a large number of people that would very much enjoy this option if given to them.

All I search for is a better freedom of choice. I'm not saying we should get rid of the trashy versions all together or even saying that every film can or should be edited. Frankly there are many films that if you take out all the bad parts, there is not much left! All I want is more options in what I and anyone for that matter are allowed to enjoy or buy. You can go on watching that "R" rated version in the privacy of your own home for as long as you want for all I care. All I'm asking is that I be allowed to enjoy the same film without fear of compromising my standers. Or is your money worth more then mine?

[2099net]

I'm sorry Milo, but you just cannot compare R rated movies to PG-13s when it comes to Oscars.

Generally, "artistic" awards are given to projects that help explore/define or reflect the human condition. And these tend to be adult dramas, dealing with adult issues and relationships in an adult fashion. And no, "adult" doesn't mean "sex".

It's not just movies, but awards for writing, dance and even art (to a lesser effect).

Yes, everybody likes a fun family-friendly adventure movie, or a all-ages comedy, but ultimately adults want adult films to win awards. Films which reflect their hopes, fears, lives and/or problems.

I'm an adult, and while I haven't really agreed with the Oscars for the last 5 years or more, I do agree that films some people think should be considered for awards are passed over (or "snubbed" if you prefer) by the Academy, because frankly, while they may be entertaining films, they're not films which make you think or question your beliefs.

The reason most films are PG-13 is because, as you say, they make the most money. They have the teenager audience and the family audience crossover - and the average age of a cinema goer is in the late teens. It has nothing to do with "art".

Titanic is a terrible film, filled with nothing more but clichés and stereotypes. The script and narrative is complete dross. It may be an Oscar winner, but had it taken a fraction of its box office, I trust the Academy would of had the guts to ignore it beyond a few technical achievements (which were only possible due to its excessive budget).

As for the Dark Knight, that's an adult film toned down because Warners wanted the money - just like in the 90's Warners "sacked" Tim Burton after Batman Returns. If you're spending hundreds of millions of dollars, you need to keep the film merchandise friendly (even if Nolan's Batman films aren't quite Happy Meal fodder).

[Super Aurora]

Hollywood in general leaves "Fan Edits" alone, but they seem to always know who is taking out questionable content. I flat out see that as hypocritical.

if they usually leaves fan edits alone with few times where they did take action, I still don't see the problem.

In that same survey, it showed that people who are single or not religious are more likely to see such edits as wrong and are against them while people how are married with children or who are religious are for them.

Geez why am I'm not surprise?

No, Hollywood is not the only industry this issue deals with, but it is maybe the biggest and most suborn to deal with. Once again, they could end this very easily and end the fighting, but I guess they like fighting? All they have to do is save a few of the DVD's they already make these versions of their films on, change the stinking region code, and people like me shut up and sit down, just like that!

Most of the censorship and edits I usually complain on are usually animation either movies, tv series, or anime.

And the edits I did irk about doesn't just all about violence. sex and what not. They edit or change stuff that shouldn't be changed from original content (when they adapt something from like comic or novel, whatever). For instance LotR was made fantastic cause Peter Jackson knew what the hell he was doing or Watchmen where Zack Snyder ignored what Hollywood wanted and went to follow the book as close and faithful as possible, where as when people tried adapting X-Men it failed in making the movie(s) great. Stuff like that. I'm not just limiting about sex and violence or profanity. Even I know when they over do it. 2099net kinda already brought up the point I'm making.

And no, the "theatrical release" is not the "edited release." That has to be about the silliest thing I have heard dealing with this issue yet.

Watchmen anyone? Not just that movie but many of them have extra footage that was not in the theatrical movie due to possiblity that it could either be
1. too violence or sex was graphic to be shown
2. time restraint
3. the content wasn't important enough to the core of the story
4. other reasons

This is why I said technically "theatrical release" is your edited release.

Wow, really? And no, cussing does not make you look cool. I know your buddies may think so, but it really doesn't.

Who says it makes me look cool? You're the only one implying that. I just curse cause it's a habit of mine (whether it's a bad habit or good habit is entirely subjective).

In fact, where is the stinking moderator on this group to cut language like that out? I mean on a "Disney" fan board, people get to hard core cuss, really? Very pathetic in truth.

This may sound shocking but we are aloud to curse here, just not on a excessive rate. Saying "I fucking hate this" can be ok but something like " HoLy MuthaFucking goddamn shit that crap is fucking suck. I hate that fucking bastard!!" Is not acceptable. What I said before wasn't the latter.

Did you know by the way about how the rating system has worked the last decade? How about a decade ago, Hollywood realized that movies that make money are "G," "PG," or "PG-13" rated films while movies these days that win awards are "R" rated. They wanted to create films that in their eyes would be "perfect films." So, they started to take "R" rated films and trim just enough to get the MPAA to give it a "PG-13" rating.

Need proof of this? Well, besides the fact that it has be documented in countless new papers over the years, including the Los Angeles Times, take a good look at the movies from about the 1980's to the late 90's. Now look at the films from about 1997 to today. What movies win or are nominated for Oscar and what films are not? How many used to be "R" and how many are now "PG-13?"

The greatest examples by the way would be the current number one and number two films on the All Time Box office list, "Titanic" and "the Dark Knight." Both huge money makers and award show darlings.

2099net kinda covered this so I'm not going to bother replying here.
But adding that notice how all the "violence and action" genre movies are not mostly PG-13 while most of the comedies are not R rated? What's up with that?

And by the way, while yes, the "Unrated Versions" do seem to sell well, we may never know how well the "Edited Versions" will sell so long as Hollywood keeps this hold on what people do and do not get to see and own. I mean what are they afraid of anyway? I personally would venture it is out of fear and maybe some kind of hidden or not so hidden agenda. The facts are certainly their to support such a claim and it does make one wonder.

Why do you want something edited so much? To me it makes me feel cheated. There are some movie or shows I really enjoy and they are great as they were but then years later when I find out that this was edited or they had censor this, (Batman:TAS is main example) it makes me feel cheated that they could of put so much more into to it to make it even better or that they were too chicken to put something in just because of annoying parents who can't take supervision over their kids themselves and feel the media is to blame.

I'm done here. Don't bother hearing any more responds from me.

[Flanger-Hanger]

And yet how many don't want to? Even in college? Funny how in "the land of the free" we aren't really so free after all?

You may not have a problem with the things you watch, but how dare you sir tell me what I should and should not watch for school, what my children should or should not watch or anyone for that matter. There are a large number of people that would very much enjoy this option if given to them.

All I search for is a better freedom of choice. I'm not saying we should get rid of the trashy versions all together or even saying that every film can or should be edited. Frankly there are many films that if you take out all the bad parts, there is not much left! All I want is more options in what I and anyone for that matter are allowed to enjoy or buy. You can go on watching that "R" rated version in the privacy of your own home for as long as you want for all I care. All I'm asking is that I be allowed to enjoy the same film without fear of compromising my standers. Or is your money worth more then mine?

A film chosen to be shown in a college course more than likely is chosen for a specific reason to encourage discussion and relate to the particular course, and really, in college one should be intelligent enough to understand that.

Your "freedom of choice" is BS and nothing more. Not every film can relate to your particular tastes and with thousands to choose from you should have no trouble finding what you want in a movie. What you deem "trashy" might be considered artistically brilliant to someone else (let me guess, you want a violence free Sweeney Todd and Bonnie and Clyde?).

My money is not worth more than yours but my opinion is if you deem your own private movie experience to be of greater importance than that of the director or mass population who might enjoy the film.

Your "standards" are irrelevant, imbecilic and selfish. If you want more options you might want to expand your own childish thinking and realize that there are many ways to tell a story and it's great we have the freedom to have all kinds of movie to choose from and the ability to purchase them so easily. Your "freedom" to force your way of thinking on others is quite silly and not surprising from some religious fanatic but you'll be fighting an uphill battle for your mindless crusade for "standards".

[Goliath]

I don't agree. But that's because I don't believe in the (American) rating system. Maybe you should watch the excellent documentary 'This film is not yet rated'. It will show you the ridiculous rating system. Besides, I don't believe there's anything in a Disney film that calls for sheltering children from it. Especially not things like "Ariel was practically naked". Yes, she was, but how is that gonna harm a kid? So no, I don't think they should be PG-rated.

[Flanger-Hanger]

Additionally as a consumer you have the right to purchase what you want and respect the freedom of the movie studios to produce what they see fit and distribute what they want. If you think you somehow deserve a film edited for your needs regardless of how there may be no business sense whatsoever to pay someone to edit a movie and mass produce and distribute it then you're missing more than a few screws in your head.

[Goliath]

For Hunchback, I wasn't talking about mildly frightening....I meant the sexual stuff. Frollo smelling Esmeralda's hair, the vision of her (at times appearing naked) dancing in the fire.

Oh no! He smelled her hair! Oh my! Won't somebody think of the children!!!1!1!

[Widdi]

For Hunchback, I wasn't talking about mildly frightening....I meant the sexual stuff. Frollo smelling Esmeralda's hair, the vision of her (at times appearing naked) dancing in the fire.

Oh no! He smelled her hair! Oh my! Won't somebody think of the children!!!1!1!

That's because natural sex is far worse than unnatural violence. The MPAA thinks so anyways. Decapitation is far better for someone to see than a penis.

[Super Aurora]

For Hunchback, I wasn't talking about mildly frightening....I meant the sexual stuff. Frollo smelling Esmeralda's hair, the vision of her (at times appearing naked) dancing in the fire.

Oh no! He smelled her hair! Oh my! Won't somebody think of the children!!!1!1!

Shame he didn't fondle her boobs while he was at it.

That's because natural sex is far worse than unnatural violence. The MPAA thinks so anyways. Decapitation is far better for someone to see than a penis.

Hello Dr. Manhattan!

[DisneyJedi]

No offense, but I think a lot of you are starting to act immaturely. T_T

[milojthatch]

No offense, but I think a lot of you are starting to act immaturely. T_T

Thank you.

Look, it comes down to respect and freedom of choice. I find it funny how in America, people can sue other people over waving the American flag, the can argue for "equality" with gay rights, they can fight for legalizing drugs or keeping alcohol legal. But if someone starts asking to have a favorite movie sans language, violence or sex, they are wrong and need to be stoned?

I am not nor will I even say we should get rid of trashy films. I don't believe in them and personally it saddens me how many people don't see a big deal robbing children of their most precious gift: innocents.

But, people have the right to mess their kids up and mess up their own minds. They have the right to enjoy what ever they want and raise their kids however they want and live their lives as they see fit. All I'm asking for is the same respect back.

I want to be able to raise my kids how I see fit. I don't want them to go to school and fear what they may be watching. I want to be able to enjoy films and tv shows without fear of compromising my standers. I want the freedom to choose and the respect to live as I see fit.

And guess what? I'm not alone. I don't think I'm asking for too much here. But what do I find? Dis-respect, mockery and contempt. Maybe if people actually started giving respect, watched the kinds of things they watched and maybe if innocents was treated like the jewel that it is, the World would be a better place. Think about it...

[Flanger-Hanger]

A load of Bollock, plain and simple.

Schools have permission forms regarding films if they have a PG rating or more. Don't want your kids watching them? Sign in the right space.

Your "standards" are again personal and difficult for film studios to fit with. Even if someone did see any finical sense in making these edited versions, which there isn't that's why they don't exist, what if they somehow got it wrong? And just what are your favorite films sans these "offensive" things?

Childhood innocence? That went out with the dinosaurs. Do you honestly believe your children will be sheltered from these things because you say something? What about other children they interact with? What about their own ability to seek out things they are curious about? Do you not think that properly dealing with an issue by discussing it with your child will have better results than ignoring it and having an issue blow up in your kids face? What happens if your kids start drinking/doing drugs in high school out of curiosity or commit suicide because they feel they won't be accepted for begin gay?

Oh ya, if we pretended problems of any kind didn't exists there will be no trouble. Does Snow White, your neighbor in Fantasyland, think that?

"Trashy" is also subjective and can easily be avoided by just not watching the film. One man's trash is another persons treasure. Midnight Cowboy and The Godfather won the Best Picture Oscar for a reason.

You do have the right to raise your kids however you want, but asking for this kind of censorship is ridiculous. Just don't watch them, how hard is that? Unless your paying for the distribution of these edited versions you don't have any "right" to ask studios to do otherwise. They make money without you, you know.

[Widdi]

That's because natural sex is far worse than unnatural violence. The MPAA thinks so anyways. Decapitation is far better for someone to see than a penis.

Hello Dr. Manhattan!

That's a perfect example right there: Watchmen is a pretty dark film, but with the exception of the fat guy's arms being sawed off, most of the gruesome violence took place in the shadows (Rorschach killing the Child Killer) or was toned down a lot from what it would actually be like (Rorschach throwing the hot grease on his fellow prisoner), and maybe with a little easy tweaking could have passed for PG-13. What got the film an R rating? The Doc's constant nudity and the sex scene, which wasn't all that graphic... ("Oh no; Nipples! Hide your eyes everyone!").

I will never understand the violence is less harmful than sex argument. Never.

And as for bad language... with the exception of slurs used against certain groups of people, who does it hurt. I'd rather my kid have the mouth of a sailor than be a violent little monster.

[Super Aurora]

Hello Dr. Manhattan!

That's a perfect example right there: Watchmen is a pretty dark film, but with the exception of the fat guy's arms being sawed off, most of the gruesome violence took place in the shadows (Rorschach killing the Child Killer) or was toned down a lot from what it would actually be like (Rorschach throwing the hot grease on his fellow prisoner), and maybe with a little easy tweaking could have passed for PG-13. What got the film an R rating? The Doc's constant nudity and the sex scene, which wasn't all that graphic... ("Oh no; Nipples! Hide your eyes everyone!").

I will never understand the violence is less harmful than sex argument. Never.

And as for bad language... with the exception of slurs used against certain groups of people, who does it hurt. I'd rather my kid have the mouth of a sailor than be a violent little monster.

While the penis is one of the reason they gave it an R I do think the violence was also a considered factor. When the comedian shot the pregnant woman that he had sex with was an R material. But yes, among all the stuff there the most people talked about/complained about was Manhattan's CGI penis.

[Goliath]

Look, it comes down to respect and freedom of choice. I find it funny how in America, people can sue other people over waving the American flag, the can argue for "equality" with gay rights, they can fight for legalizing drugs or keeping alcohol legal. But if someone starts asking to have a favorite movie sans language, violence or sex, they are wrong and need to be stoned?

Who forces you to watch movies you don't like? If you choose not to watch films which contain 'strong language' or nudity or whatnot, that's fine. Nobody is depriving you of your choice. We only say it doesn't make sense to ask a filmmaker to edit a film just for *you*. The filmmaker has made a film as he thinks it should be. Were he to edit it to adjust to your taste, it wouldn't be the same film anymore. There are plenty of movies out there to satisfy you. I don't see the problem.

I am not nor will I even say we should get rid of trashy films. I don't believe in them and personally it saddens me how many people don't see a big deal robbing children of their most precious gift: innocents.

Children are robbed of their innocence by watching Disney-films? 'Cause that's what this thread was about: the rating of Disney-films. I'm not in favor of showing 'Kill Bill' or 'Pulp Fiction' to children. But I don't see why Tarantino should edit them to cater to you.